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House Oversight to vote on contempt charges against Obama Administration's DOJ Head, Eric Holder.

Posted by on Jun. 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM
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CBS News has learned the House Oversight Committee will vote next week on whether to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress. It’s the fourth time in 30 years that Congress has launched a contempt action against an executive branch member.

This time, the dispute stems from Holder failing to turn over documents subpoenaed on October 12, 2011 in the Fast and Furious “gunwalking” investigation.

The Justice Department has maintained it has cooperated fully with the congressional investigation, turning over tens of thousands of documents and having Holder testify to Congress on the topic at least eight times.


This after last week's accusations that, "Department of Justice has not provided enough information about the operation that has left hundreds dead in Mexico and at least one U.S. federal agent, Brian Terry, dead. Smith berated the Justice Department for its failure to comply with Congressional subpoenas that “may shed light on why this program was authorized and who had knowledge of the inappropriate tactics.”


Plus when Holder testified Emails With Fast & Furious Have Nothing To Do With Fast and Furious Operation


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jcrew6
by Jenney on Jun. 13, 2012 at 2:14 AM

But Holder/ his office are the ones withholding information and emails. Why?

Quoting nanaofsix531:

Sure this was started during the bush administration.


Fast And Furious-Like 'Gun-Walking' Probe Mentioned In 2007 Bush Administration Memo

Fast And Furious Bush Administration

PETE YOST   11/ 4/11 03:45 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — A briefing paper prepared for Attorney General Michael Mukasey during the Bush administration in 2007 outlined failed attempts by federal agents to track illicitly purchased guns across the border into Mexico and stressed the need for U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officials to work together on such efforts using a tactic that now is generating controversy.

The information contained in one paragraph of a lengthy Nov. 16, 2007, document marks the first known instance of an attorney general being given information about the tactic known as "gun-walking." It since has become controversial amid a probe by congressional Republicans criticizing the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for using it during the Obama administration in an arms-trafficking investigation called Operation Fast and Furious that focused on several Phoenix-area gun shops.

Though the briefing paper for Mukasey does not use the term "gun-walking," ATF officials at the time referred to the failed attempts in that way. The tactic – following suspected low-level "straw" buyers of guns instead of arresting them right after purchase – is aimed at identifying and bringing charges against gun-trafficking ringleaders, who have long escaped federal prosecution. Justice Department policy long has required that illicit arms shipments be intercepted whenever possible.

Attorney General Eric Holder is due on Capitol Hill next week to respond to Republicans who doubt his assertion that he didn't know about allegations that the tactic was in use until early this year.

Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, top Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, wrote to the panel's Republican chairman, Darrell Issa of California, asking that he call Mukasey to testify about his knowledge of the program.

"Given the significant questions raised by the disclosures in these documents, our committee's investigation will not be viewed as credible, even-handed, or complete unless we hear directly from Attorney General Mukasey," Cummings wrote.

Headlined "Meeting of the attorney general with Mexican Attorney General Medina Mora," the briefing paper informed Mukasey that the tactic had been tried unsuccessfully but that the ATF wanted to try again and wanted Mukasey to persuade Mexico's attorney general to provide a team of corruption-free Mexican agents who would assist in the effort. Perhaps implied but not fully detailed in this document was the reason for the failure – that Mexican authorities south of the border fell down on the job, claiming they didn't see the vehicle carrying the guns that the ATF agents had alerted them to.

The briefing paper for Mukasey – dated two days after he was installed as attorney general – was among hundreds of pages of documents that Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., subpoenaed in his investigation of Operation Fast and Furious. The Justice Department turned over the material this week to the Issa-chaired House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

In Section G, titled "Arms Trafficking," the briefing paper for Mukasey states that "of particular importance, ATF has recently worked jointly with Mexico on the first-ever attempt to have a controlled delivery of weapons being smuggled into Mexico by a major arms trafficker." It adds: "While the first attempts at this controlled delivery have not been successful, the investigation is ongoing, and ATF would like to expand the possibility of such joint investigations and controlled deliveries – since only then will it be possible to investigate an entire smuggling network, rather than arresting simply a single smuggler."

"To that end, it is essential that a Mexican vetted unit be assigned to work with ATF in this regard," the document states. "ATF's attache in Mexico City has briefed Attorney General Medina Mora on this attempted controlled delivery, and stressed the importance of such a vetted unit being assigned," the paper states.

The briefing paper said it was the "first-ever attempt," but an email by an ATF official disputed that.

"I am going to ask DOJ to change `first ever.' ... There have been cases in the past where we have walked guns," ATF official Carson Carroll wrote in an email to ATF headquarters official William Hoover, the assistant director for field operations.

Carroll's email did not elaborate, but a month ago, Justice Department documents released in the probe of Fast and Furious disclosed the first of two Bush-era probes, Operation Wide Receiver, which was carried out by ATF's Tucson, Ariz., office beginning in 2006. In it, several hundred weapons wound up in the hands of arms traffickers.

The AP contacted Mukasey's law office Thursday in New York about the briefing paper, but the former attorney general did not respond to questions about his recollection of the document or what, if any, action it produced.

The language in the briefing paper to Mukasey referred to the second of two Bush-era probes and covered events that had occurred in that second probe in the preceding two months – specifically, a probe that began when an ATF agent identified several suspects from Mexico who were buying large numbers of weapons from a gun shop in Phoenix.

ATF emails from the 2007 probe obtained last month by the AP show there was concern inside the agency that its Phoenix office had engaged in gun-walking that resulted in guns disappearing inside Mexico – and that perhaps the tactic should be stopped.

"Have we discussed the strategy with the US Attorney's Office re letting the guns walk?" Hoover, the headquarters official, asked in an Oct. 4, 2007, email to William Newell, then ATF's special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division.

The probe ran into trouble after agents saw the same suspects buy additional weapons from the same store and followed the suspects south toward the border at Nogales, Ariz., on Sept. 27, 2007. ATF officials notified the government of Mexico to be on the lookout. ATF agents saw the vehicle the suspects were driving reach the Mexican side of the border, but 20 minutes later, Mexican law enforcement authorities informed ATF that they did not see the vehicle.

The 2007 probe referred to in the briefing paper for Mukasey operated out of the same ATF office that more recently ran the flawed Operation Fast and Furious. Both probes resulted in weapons disappearing across the border into Mexico. The 2007 probe was relatively small – involving more than 200 weapons, just a dozen of which ended up in Mexico as a result of gun-walking. Fast and Furious involved more than 2,000 weapons. Nearly 700 of the Fast and Furious guns have been recovered – 276 in Mexico and 389 in the United States, according to ATF data through Oct. 20, the latest available.

According to ATF data, 94,000 weapons have been recovered in the past five years in Mexico, 64,000 of them traced to the United States.

Controversy erupted over Operation Fast and Furious after two assault rifles purchased by a now-indicted small-time buyer under scrutiny in the operation turned up at a shootout in Arizona where Customs and Border Protection agent Brian Terry was killed.

Quoting jcrew6:

If they felt they could do this, The Senate would have done it by now.  

Fast and Furious is relevant to the 2012 election because it deals with the Obama Administration.  Would you care to share your opinion on this?


Quoting nanaofsix531:

I sure wish that the Senate would go after the bush administration for crimes against humanity.They would have a lot better chance of going to prison the Holder.





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mommygiggles317
by Silver Member on Jun. 13, 2012 at 6:59 PM


Quoting Carpy:

Sarah Palin did not incite anyone to be shot.  That man was just a typical crazy assassin.  If not her, it would have been someone else.

Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:


Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:


Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:


Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:

 He will get the same justice the Black Panthers got concerning intimidating voters amongst other things.. Very little if any.  His buddies in the adminstration will see to that.

Please can we stop calling those fools the Black Panthers... Huey P. Newton, Bobby Seale, Fred Hampton... those were Black Panthers. Those three fools are just that fools...

Considering who gave them a free pass I would add Holder to that list.  They aren't the black panthers?  And I have no idea what the black panthers names were that intimidated voters or put out a hit list on Zimmerman..  So one KKK is a "fool", two or three  are"fools"..what constutues down right out bad guys?

bad guys, fools whatever... I personally do not like giving them a name that they did not earn. I had to do a research paper on the "REAL" Black Panther Party last semester and trust me... those three bad guys that we see on t.v. are no Black Panther Party... using the name just gets them their 15 minutes on t.v....

So they weren't black panthers? 

The real Black Panthers (the Black Panther Party for Self Defense/Social Reform) was a so-called Black Militant group of the 60's that originated in California. It was founded by Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale. Fred Hampton headed the Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers. For the most part, they were a community based organization that tried their best to implement needed social change in minority, low income neighborhoods. They started free breakfast programs for school children, set up blood drives, worked with hospitals to provide sickle-cell screenings and even got doctors in these communities to do home visits. They started their own school in Oakland California (Oakland Community School). Outside of the negative views of the Black Panthers because they did promote self defense against police officers (the bad, racist ones atleast) and openly carrie guns, they did do their best to change their communities for the better while at the same time bring attention to the conditions and environment of their people. They had chapters throughout the country and worked with other minority social activist groups.

Here's a quote from Huey P. Newton in the 70's about the purpose of the OCS school... " The school is the realization of a dream... to repair disabled minds and the disenfranchised lives of this country's poor communities, to lay the foundations as to create an arena for the world without such suffering. Our aim is to provide the young of these communities with as much knowledge with understanding. For we believe without knowledge there can be no real understanding and that understanding is the key to liberation for all."

The real Black Panther Party of the 60's would have never tried to intimidate voters. They would have been standing guard making sure that everyone able to vote did vote without intimidating anyone. They would have made sure voters were safe to vote...

Whether these guys represent the old or the new..where was Eric Holder on this?  Why didn't he do something about it..that and the wanted poster for Zimmerman..  You seem to understand a difference from the "old" way and the "new"..doesn't Mr. Holder?  Wrong is wrong..right?

I can't speak for Eric Holder... I don't know why he didn't do anything. I guess the same could be said of Sarah Palin and her cross-hairs that resulted in someone being shot (not trying to be funny but inciting violence is inciting violence no matter who or the reasoning behind it). In all honesty, I never heard about this so-called "New" Black Panther Party until people were bringing them up here on CM. Then when I saw that it was these 3 fools, I was like, who the hell are they?...

I guess if I were to take a stab at answering as to why Holder did not address them, I would probably go with the fact that no body's really paying attention to them with the exception of the media. maybe trying to keep the tension down a little in this country (let's be honest, people are on edge and i think that nobody wants to be the catalyst to jump shit off). if you ignore someone enough and don't give them the attention that they want, they eventually go away... that would be my best guess, I don't know... I do wish that they would go away, and I wish the media would stop giving them a platform...


Of course the guy was crazy... who said he wasn't? Not taking any blame from the guy for what he did...

love you signExercising Knowledge, Wisdom and Understanding...

asfriend
by on Jun. 13, 2012 at 7:01 PM
why would obama do anything, they are on the same page on this.


Quoting steviechick:

What will happen to Holder once he's been voted to be in contempt of court?   So many politicians have asked for his resignation.  When will Obama do something about this fool?


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asfriend
by on Jun. 13, 2012 at 7:04 PM
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you are hilarious, i'll give you that


Quoting nanaofsix531:

I sure wish that the Senate would go after the bush administration for crimes against humanity.They would have a lot better chance of going to prison the Holder.


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asfriend
by on Jun. 13, 2012 at 7:06 PM
true, those boys are the "new" black panthers


Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:

 He will get the same justice the Black Panthers got concerning intimidating voters amongst other things.. Very little if any.  His buddies in the adminstration will see to that.

Please can we stop calling those fools the Black Panthers... Huey P. Newton, Bobby Seale, Fred Hampton... those were Black Panthers. Those three fools are just that fools...


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asfriend
by on Jun. 13, 2012 at 7:10 PM
wow, is really all that i can say


Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:



Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:



Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:

 He will get the same justice the Black Panthers got concerning intimidating voters amongst other things.. Very little if any.  His buddies in the adminstration will see to that.

Please can we stop calling those fools the Black Panthers... Huey P. Newton, Bobby Seale, Fred Hampton... those were Black Panthers. Those three fools are just that fools...

Considering who gave them a free pass I would add Holder to that list.  They aren't the black panthers?  And I have no idea what the black panthers names were that intimidated voters or put out a hit list on Zimmerman..  So one KKK is a "fool", two or three  are"fools"..what constutues down right out bad guys?

bad guys, fools whatever... I personally do not like giving them a name that they did not earn. I had to do a research paper on the "REAL" Black Panther Party last semester and trust me... those three bad guys that we see on t.v. are no Black Panther Party... using the name just gets them their 15 minutes on t.v....

So they weren't black panthers? 

The real Black Panthers (the Black Panther Party for Self Defense/Social Reform) was a so-called Black Militant group of the 60's that originated in California. It was founded by Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale. Fred Hampton headed the Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers. For the most part, they were a community based organization that tried their best to implement needed social change in minority, low income neighborhoods. They started free breakfast programs for school children, set up blood drives, worked with hospitals to provide sickle-cell screenings and even got doctors in these communities to do home visits. They started their own school in Oakland California (Oakland Community School). Outside of the negative views of the Black Panthers because they did promote self defense against police officers (the bad, racist ones atleast) and openly carrie guns, they did do their best to change their communities for the better while at the same time bring attention to the conditions and environment of their people. They had chapters throughout the country and worked with other minority social activist groups.

Here's a quote from Huey P. Newton in the 70's about the purpose of the OCS school... " The school is the realization of a dream... to repair disabled minds and the disenfranchised lives of this country's poor communities, to lay the foundations as to create an arena for the world without such suffering. Our aim is to provide the young of these communities with as much knowledge with understanding. For we believe without knowledge there can be no real understanding and that understanding is the key to liberation for all."

The real Black Panther Party of the 60's would have never tried to intimidate voters. They would have been standing guard making sure that everyone able to vote did vote without intimidating anyone. They would have made sure voters were safe to vote...


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mommygiggles317
by Silver Member on Jun. 13, 2012 at 7:10 PM


Quoting asfriend:

true, those boys are the "new" black panthers


Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:

 He will get the same justice the Black Panthers got concerning intimidating voters amongst other things.. Very little if any.  His buddies in the adminstration will see to that.

Please can we stop calling those fools the Black Panthers... Huey P. Newton, Bobby Seale, Fred Hampton... those were Black Panthers. Those three fools are just that fools...


I think I might have to do a post about the difference between the real Black Panther Party and the three fools who are using the name to get on t.v.... 

love you signExercising Knowledge, Wisdom and Understanding...

Ednarooni160
by Eds on Jun. 13, 2012 at 7:24 PM


Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Carpy:

Sarah Palin did not incite anyone to be shot.  That man was just a typical crazy assassin.  If not her, it would have been someone else.

Hmmm...this must be what someone else was referring to. I'm going to have to google this.

jcrew6
by Jenney on Jun. 13, 2012 at 11:57 PM
"Sarah Palin and her cross-hairs that resulted in someone being shot"

Omg. Are you serious?


Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:



Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:



Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:



Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:

 He will get the same justice the Black Panthers got concerning intimidating voters amongst other things.. Very little if any.  His buddies in the adminstration will see to that.

Please can we stop calling those fools the Black Panthers... Huey P. Newton, Bobby Seale, Fred Hampton... those were Black Panthers. Those three fools are just that fools...

Considering who gave them a free pass I would add Holder to that list.  They aren't the black panthers?  And I have no idea what the black panthers names were that intimidated voters or put out a hit list on Zimmerman..  So one KKK is a "fool", two or three  are"fools"..what constutues down right out bad guys?

bad guys, fools whatever... I personally do not like giving them a name that they did not earn. I had to do a research paper on the "REAL" Black Panther Party last semester and trust me... those three bad guys that we see on t.v. are no Black Panther Party... using the name just gets them their 15 minutes on t.v....

So they weren't black panthers? 

The real Black Panthers (the Black Panther Party for Self Defense/Social Reform) was a so-called Black Militant group of the 60's that originated in California. It was founded by Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale. Fred Hampton headed the Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers. For the most part, they were a community based organization that tried their best to implement needed social change in minority, low income neighborhoods. They started free breakfast programs for school children, set up blood drives, worked with hospitals to provide sickle-cell screenings and even got doctors in these communities to do home visits. They started their own school in Oakland California (Oakland Community School). Outside of the negative views of the Black Panthers because they did promote self defense against police officers (the bad, racist ones atleast) and openly carrie guns, they did do their best to change their communities for the better while at the same time bring attention to the conditions and environment of their people. They had chapters throughout the country and worked with other minority social activist groups.

Here's a quote from Huey P. Newton in the 70's about the purpose of the OCS school... " The school is the realization of a dream... to repair disabled minds and the disenfranchised lives of this country's poor communities, to lay the foundations as to create an arena for the world without such suffering. Our aim is to provide the young of these communities with as much knowledge with understanding. For we believe without knowledge there can be no real understanding and that understanding is the key to liberation for all."

The real Black Panther Party of the 60's would have never tried to intimidate voters. They would have been standing guard making sure that everyone able to vote did vote without intimidating anyone. They would have made sure voters were safe to vote...

Whether these guys represent the old or the new..where was Eric Holder on this?  Why didn't he do something about it..that and the wanted poster for Zimmerman..  You seem to understand a difference from the "old" way and the "new"..doesn't Mr. Holder?  Wrong is wrong..right?

I can't speak for Eric Holder... I don't know why he didn't do anything. I guess the same could be said of Sarah Palin and her cross-hairs that resulted in someone being shot (not trying to be funny but inciting violence is inciting violence no matter who or the reasoning behind it). In all honesty, I never heard about this so-called "New" Black Panther Party until people were bringing them up here on CM. Then when I saw that it was these 3 fools, I was like, who the hell are they?...

I guess if I were to take a stab at answering as to why Holder did not address them, I would probably go with the fact that no body's really paying attention to them with the exception of the media. maybe trying to keep the tension down a little in this country (let's be honest, people are on edge and i think that nobody wants to be the catalyst to jump shit off). if you ignore someone enough and don't give them the attention that they want, they eventually go away... that would be my best guess, I don't know... I do wish that they would go away, and I wish the media would stop giving them a platform...


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by Silver Member on Jun. 14, 2012 at 12:10 AM


Quoting jcrew6:

"Sarah Palin and her cross-hairs that resulted in someone being shot"

Omg. Are you serious?


Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:



Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:



Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:



Quoting mommygiggles317:


Quoting Ednarooni160:

 He will get the same justice the Black Panthers got concerning intimidating voters amongst other things.. Very little if any.  His buddies in the adminstration will see to that.

Please can we stop calling those fools the Black Panthers... Huey P. Newton, Bobby Seale, Fred Hampton... those were Black Panthers. Those three fools are just that fools...

Considering who gave them a free pass I would add Holder to that list.  They aren't the black panthers?  And I have no idea what the black panthers names were that intimidated voters or put out a hit list on Zimmerman..  So one KKK is a "fool", two or three  are"fools"..what constutues down right out bad guys?

bad guys, fools whatever... I personally do not like giving them a name that they did not earn. I had to do a research paper on the "REAL" Black Panther Party last semester and trust me... those three bad guys that we see on t.v. are no Black Panther Party... using the name just gets them their 15 minutes on t.v....

So they weren't black panthers? 

The real Black Panthers (the Black Panther Party for Self Defense/Social Reform) was a so-called Black Militant group of the 60's that originated in California. It was founded by Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale. Fred Hampton headed the Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers. For the most part, they were a community based organization that tried their best to implement needed social change in minority, low income neighborhoods. They started free breakfast programs for school children, set up blood drives, worked with hospitals to provide sickle-cell screenings and even got doctors in these communities to do home visits. They started their own school in Oakland California (Oakland Community School). Outside of the negative views of the Black Panthers because they did promote self defense against police officers (the bad, racist ones atleast) and openly carrie guns, they did do their best to change their communities for the better while at the same time bring attention to the conditions and environment of their people. They had chapters throughout the country and worked with other minority social activist groups.

Here's a quote from Huey P. Newton in the 70's about the purpose of the OCS school... " The school is the realization of a dream... to repair disabled minds and the disenfranchised lives of this country's poor communities, to lay the foundations as to create an arena for the world without such suffering. Our aim is to provide the young of these communities with as much knowledge with understanding. For we believe without knowledge there can be no real understanding and that understanding is the key to liberation for all."

The real Black Panther Party of the 60's would have never tried to intimidate voters. They would have been standing guard making sure that everyone able to vote did vote without intimidating anyone. They would have made sure voters were safe to vote...

Whether these guys represent the old or the new..where was Eric Holder on this?  Why didn't he do something about it..that and the wanted poster for Zimmerman..  You seem to understand a difference from the "old" way and the "new"..doesn't Mr. Holder?  Wrong is wrong..right?

I can't speak for Eric Holder... I don't know why he didn't do anything. I guess the same could be said of Sarah Palin and her cross-hairs that resulted in someone being shot (not trying to be funny but inciting violence is inciting violence no matter who or the reasoning behind it). In all honesty, I never heard about this so-called "New" Black Panther Party until people were bringing them up here on CM. Then when I saw that it was these 3 fools, I was like, who the hell are they?...

I guess if I were to take a stab at answering as to why Holder did not address them, I would probably go with the fact that no body's really paying attention to them with the exception of the media. maybe trying to keep the tension down a little in this country (let's be honest, people are on edge and i think that nobody wants to be the catalyst to jump shit off). if you ignore someone enough and don't give them the attention that they want, they eventually go away... that would be my best guess, I don't know... I do wish that they would go away, and I wish the media would stop giving them a platform...


Is there a problem?...

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