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Supreme Court rules to uphold Obamacare, the right goes completely freaking nuts

Posted by on Jun. 28, 2012 at 4:45 PM
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Supreme Court rules to uphold Obamacare, the right goes completely freaking nuts

It’s hard to believe that it’s been over two years since the Affordable Care Act, our beloved Obamacare, was signed into law. After all, the sky is still up, right?

Today’s Supreme Court ruling upholding the constitutionality of Obamacare is exactly what happens when the right challenges the constitutionality of a law that was supported, endorsed, and championed by a president who is a constitutional scholar: they get their asses handed to them. The result has been predictable, even if the SCOTUS ruling was not.

The ruling says that Obamacare, and more specifically, the personal responsibility mandate, not because it is allowed under the Commerce Clause of the constitution but because it is basically a tax for not having health insurance. The federal government is allowed to enact such a tax.

So, of course, the immediate response by the right was to say that Obama has “raised taxes on the middle class”.

Except, of course, that he hasn’t.

Mitt Romney, the father of Obamacare, used to love the personal mandate. As Joan McCarter at Daily Kos points out, he has been for this Republican creation for a long time. Here’sRomney in 2009:

Our experience also demonstrates that getting every citizen insured doesn’t have to break the bank. First, we established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance.Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages ‘free riders’ to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others. This doesn’t cost the government a single dollar.

Here he is in February of THIS year, for Goddess’ sake:

Whether you like it or not like it, it was seen as conservative to say that individuals who could pay for insurance should either buy their own insurance or help the state pay for their cost if they become ill but people shouldn’t be able to go to the hospital and expect government to pay for them. So we can have a discussion as to whether it’s conservative or not conservative but our view was that individuals had a responsibility to care for themselves, a personal responsibility.

And then, today, he had this to say:

Obamacare raises taxes on the American people by approximately $500 billion. Obamacare cuts Medicare, cuts Medicare, by approximately $500 billion. And even with those cuts, and tax increases, Obamacare adds trillions to our deficits and to our national debt and pushes those obligations on to coming generations. Obamacare also means that for up to 20 million Americans, they will lose the insurance they currently have, the insurance that they like and they want to keep. Obamacare is a job killer. Businesses across the country have been asked what the impact is of Obamacare. Three quarters of those surveyed by the Chamber of Commerce said Obamacare makes it less likely for them to hire people. And perhaps most troubling of all, Obamacare puts the federal government between you and your doctor.

There are so many blatant lies in this statement that it’s no wonder that the British paperGuardian wrote recently that Mitt Romney’s public lying is unprecedented:

Granted, presidential candidates are no strangers to disingenuous or overstated claims; it’s pretty much endemic to the business. But Romney is doing something very different and far more pernicious. Quite simply, the United States has never been witness to a presidential candidate, in modern American history, who lies as frequently, as flagrantly and as brazenly as Mitt Romney.

It’s a must-read piece that suggests that maybe the distance of an ocean is needed for journalists to see the reality we’re dealing with. Romney’s statement today is nearly all a complete lie. Typical of Romney, he gave his statement and then left without taking questions from the press.

The Obama campaign responded appropriately, calling Romney’s position “callous”:

Mitt Romney had an opportunity to rise to the occasion today and tell the American people specifically how he would move the nation forward on health care and ensure people get the care they need. Yet, once again, he squandered that opportunity. Instead of explaining how he would ensure costs don’t go up and health benefits are protected, Romney promised to repeal the President’s health reform law and take America back to the same old political battles of the past. He is completely unmoved by what that would do to millions of middle-class families, women, seniors and young Americans who are today benefiting from the law. Romney’s promise to repeal the law would give insurance companies free rein to exploit Americans through the worst industry abuses, strip 86 million Americans of often life-saving preventive care, cost 3.1 million young Americans of their coverage by kicking them off their parents’ plans, allow insurance companies to discriminate against kids with preexisting conditions, and increase prescription drug costs for seniors on Medicare.

Just six years ago, before Mitt Romney decided to run for president, he passed a law in Massachusetts that achieved universal coverage for the citizens of that state through an individual mandate and tax penalty. That law became the model for the President’s health reform law. Now, as he is running for president, Romney has run away from his accomplishment in Massachusetts, callously promising to repeal national reform and “kill it dead.” He owes the American people a clear, non-parsed explanation of why he believes his decisions in Massachusetts are wrong for the country, and exactly what he would do to help the American people get the health care they need. – Jim Messina, Campaign Manager, Obama for America

Meanwhile, the talking heads on Fox News are crowing about how Obama is raising taxes on the middle class which is the most Orwellian description of Obamacare you could imagine. They should probably be careful with that particular lie because if it’s true, their candidate for president did the same in Massachusetts.

Eric Cantor and John Boehner are promising yet another vote to repeal Obamacare on July 11. Not content to take their loss and move on, they are doubling down on their “Do Nothing But Obstruct” approach in Congress that will, of course fail. Even people not paying attention know that (a) the Senate is controlled by Democrats and (b) President Obama will never sign such a law. Meanwhile, no action on a jobs plan for Americans.

The GOP sent out this tweet which contradicts the sign in front of Romney during his comments today that read “Repeal and Replace”:

Actually, what has happened was a “fullrepudiation” of the GOP and their abhorrent position. But that hasn’t stopped them from flogging the #fullrepeal mantra all day. Clearly they are willing to sacrifice millions of Americans and their health, maybe even their lives, to take back power.

It’s verging on treason.

Some on the right are now tweeting that, with this SCOTUS decision, they will now move to Canada.

Right. Canada. Home of universal, single-payer healthcare, same-sex marriage and higher taxes than the USA. Go Galt, you dumbasses. We insist.

By the way, there’s a bit of irony in the fact that the left-leaning Supreme Court justices were joined by Chief Justice John Roberts. Roberts was appointed by George W. Bush. Then-Senator Barack Obama voted against his confirmation. Funny how things work out, isn’t it.

The right’s exploding head carnival would be a pleasure to watch if it were so screwed up that they would do harm to so many people merely to get Barack Obama out of office. The days when small-town values of all of us looking out for each other have evaporated, replaced by a callous “I’ve got mine, die if you don’t get yours” mentality.

One final thing: the hypocrisy coming from the right on the SCOTUS decision is rich and deep. For years, we’ve heard endlessly about the sanctity of the constitution and how the left-leaning judges are “activist”. Now that one of theirs, John Roberts, has upheld the constitution, they are calling for his head. Apparently you can only be an “activist judge” if you disagree with the tea party credo.

The most comical example of this came from one of the elites of tea party, Senator Rand Paul, who issued this statement:

Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional. While the court may have erroneously come to the conclusion that the law is allowable, it certainly does nothing to make this mandate or government takeover of our health care right.

Actually, Senator, it does “make it so”. Look it up.

It’s in the constitution

Posted by on Jun. 28, 2012 at 4:45 PM
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mustbeGRACE
by Silver Member on Jun. 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM
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Well, you lost me on Goddess and it's a very long article. Soooooooooo, I didn't read it and I'm sure I'm the better for it  (  :

Kate_Momof3
by Platinum Member on Jun. 28, 2012 at 4:54 PM
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Rand Paul is proving himself to be a whore to the Establishment each and every day.

jcrew6
by Jenney on Jun. 28, 2012 at 4:56 PM
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OP, are these statements really "freaking outrageous" to you?  Or are you merely the puppet poster?  Would be curious to discuss what YOU think. Stop hiding behind the copy and paste function.  I don't see the completely freaking nuts part.  I have seen more freaking outrageous statements in the past by the likes of Jay Carney, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Robert Gibbs, Timothy Geithner, Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett, Maxine Waters, and Barney Frank. If this is "freaking outrageous" by your standards? Why?

jcrew6
by Jenney on Jun. 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM

I have met Rand Paul.  He is actually very articulate and intelligent.  But I don't think he has what it takes for national politics.

Quoting Kate_Momof3:

Rand Paul is proving himself to be a whore to the Establishment each and every day.


Kate_Momof3
by Platinum Member on Jun. 28, 2012 at 5:04 PM

That may be true and I'm sure he'll enjoy his lifetime pension just like the rest of them. 

Quoting jcrew6:

I have met Rand Paul.  He is actually very articulate and intelligent.  But I don't think he has what it takes for national politics.

Quoting Kate_Momof3:

Rand Paul is proving himself to be a whore to the Establishment each and every day.



asfriend
by on Jun. 28, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Why do you say that, based on what?

Quoting jcrew6:

I have met Rand Paul.  He is actually very articulate and intelligent.  But I don't think he has what it takes for national politics.

Quoting Kate_Momof3:

Rand Paul is proving himself to be a whore to the Establishment each and every day.

 


jcrew6
by Jenney on Jun. 28, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Rand Paul stands on Principal.  That is ridiculed by today's media, the left, and so many who try to influence national politics.  Ridiculed to the point his words are twisted.  He doesn't 'fight back'.  He tends to walk away from his criticism.  I think he needs to call out his opposition.  Even if it means calling out Republicans. In a more direct and influencial way.

Quoting asfriend:

Why do you say that, based on what?

Quoting jcrew6:

I have met Rand Paul.  He is actually very articulate and intelligent.  But I don't think he has what it takes for national politics.

Quoting Kate_Momof3:

Rand Paul is proving himself to be a whore to the Establishment each and every day.




asfriend
by on Jun. 28, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Rand is one of my favorites, the more the media twists someone's words the more you know that they are a threat to people like momof3.

Quoting jcrew6:

Rand Paul stands on Principal.  That is ridiculed by today's media, the left, and so many who try to influence national politics.  Ridiculed to the point his words are twisted.  He doesn't 'fight back'.  He tends to walk away from his criticism.  I think he needs to call out his opposition.  Even if it means calling out Republicans. In a more direct and influencial way.

Quoting asfriend:

Why do you say that, based on what?

Quoting jcrew6:

I have met Rand Paul.  He is actually very articulate and intelligent.  But I don't think he has what it takes for national politics.

Quoting Kate_Momof3:

Rand Paul is proving himself to be a whore to the Establishment each and every day.

 

 

 


JakeandEmmasMom
by Gold Member on Jun. 28, 2012 at 6:38 PM
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 Judging by CM and FB today, I'd say the title is pretty accurate.  LOL!

I don't really think the sky is falling, but it sure seems like there are a lot of people who do think that.

Kate_Momof3
by Platinum Member on Jun. 28, 2012 at 6:47 PM

I've honestly never seen so much frothing. The stuff on facebook is hilarious.

And seriously? Did you read the Rand Paul quote? 

At least we can take a break from the proselytizing abortion threads.

Quoting JakeandEmmasMom:

 Judging by CM and FB today, I'd say the title is pretty accurate.  LOL!

I don't really think the sky is falling, but it sure seems like there are a lot of people who do think that.


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