Pro-Lifer Romney Says Killing Embryos Is Okay

[nanaofsix531]

Pro-Lifer Romney Says Killing Embryos Is Okay

July 2, 2012

By Sovereign Voice

For the purpose of clarification, an embryo is defined as: An organism in its early stages of development, especially before it has reached a distinctively recognizable form.

Flip-flopping Romney is going to have some explaining to do, again, after his recent statements to CNSNews.com about destroying unused embryos from in vitro fertilization (IVF) where he stated, “I would, I would not outlaw it… I would allow, I would allow private laboratories and private institutions–as we currently do, and as the president does as well–to use these so-called surplus or embryos to be discarded.” Discarded is “killed”.

In February 2005, William B. Hurlbut, a dedicated pro-lifer and physician and professor at Stanford University Medical Center Neuroscience Institute met with Romney for several hours. Dr. Hurlbut adamantly stated on a pro-life lifeslitenews.com , “He [Mitt Romney] declared himself pro-life and has repeatedly done so since that time.”

Not true. If it is true that Romney is pro-life and he has repeatedly affirmed that since 2005 [Romney himself states that he has been pro-life since November 2004], how can Romney rationalize the condoning of killing embryos less than two months ago? It is also an interesting fact that on May 16th Romney held a $50,000-a-plate fundraiser at the residence of Phil Frost, who is the executive of Teva Pharmaceuticals that makes the Morning After Contraceptive Pill.
Mitt Romney has said that he supports the reversal of Roe versus Wade and told Mike Huckabee at Fox on October 10th, 2011 that he would support the Amendment To The Massachusetts Constitution That Would Have Established Life At Conception.

Romney recently had twin grandsons and four other grandchildren all conceived through in vitro fertilization and carried to term in the womb of an unknown surrogate. In a Fox News Sunday interview with Chris Wallace in February 2005, Romney stated. “If you’re creating new life, simply to destroy it, you’ve gone across a bright red ethical boundary.”

It is standard procedure for surplus embryos to be created during the IVF procedure, yet Romney states that if that life is being created, “simply to destroy it”, which is the reality whether they are “disposed” of, harvested for stem cells, or used in research, then that “bright red ethical boundary” has been crossed, has it not? What about women who undergo an early term abortion and want to donate the embryo for stem cell research? How is it that they have crossed a line, but IVF clinics have not?

It is even more of a paradox that Bain Capital invested in Stericycle, a disposal company that helps in the disposal of aborted fetuses and despite Bain Officials adamant statements that Mitt was not involved with the investment company during that time, Mother Jones uncovered documents filed by Bain and Stericycle with the Securities and Exchange Commission that lists Romney as an active participant in the investment of $75 million into that company. I wonder what other embryo-disposing skeleton is in Romney’s closet. That would help to explain his divided loyalties and inability to nail a stand on issues related to pro-life.

[jcrew6]

You do understand how the whole constitution, states rights thing works right?

Quoting bluespagan:

 OK he believes in states rights and in some states women go to PRISON for either miscarrying or delivering stillborn babies.

 

That means that certain states will take away a womans right to choose.  So, he is not supporting anti-choice directly but indirectly, he knows what he is doing and it is underhanded.  Another reason I won't vote for him.

Quoting jcrew6:

Ummm did you read the article you posted and the video?

“I would love the Supreme Court to say, ‘Let’s send this back to the states,’” he said. “Rather than having a federal mandate through Roe v. Wade, let the states again consider this issue state by state.”

 

He belives in STATES RIGHTS!

Quoting bluespagan:

 According to this article http://www.lifenews.com/2012/04/17/mitt-romney-repeats-call-for-overturning-roe-v-wade/ he would call to overturn Roe V Wade.

So either he is lying or just bending the truth a little to not look so bad.

 

Quoting jcrew6:

Romney supports the Hyde Amendment

"On the accusation of being 'multiple-choice', I have to respond. I have my own beliefs, and those beliefs are very dear to me. One of them is that I do not impose my beliefs on other people. Many, many years ago, I had a dear, close family relative that was very close to me who passed away from an illegal abortion. It is since that time my mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter.-Mitt Romney

 "As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change. The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the government's." Mitt Romney

 

 

 

 

[nanaofsix531]

Quoting matreshka:

Once again, Romney will be whatever he thinks the electorate wants him to be.  He is like a robot candidate, being fed talking points, but when called on them has no real response. Having his own perspective and thought process *does not compute* for him.

[StephanieSH]

When the President or a Presidential candidate comes out and says "I support gay marriage" or "I'm pro-lfe", it's a nice sound bite but it is of no consequence since they  have absolutely no control over these issues.  These are state issues.  The only power the President has over these things is nominating a supreme court justice if there is a vacancy. 

[bluespagan]

 Yes I do. 

I also know that certain states will ban abortion outright if given the chance.  Or did you not hear about the Mississippi case of the teenage girl who was sent to jail when she delivered a stillborn baby.  The courts decided that she had killed the baby because before she knew she was pregnant she did drugs. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/24/america-pregnant-women-murder-charges

Yeah that state sounds like it is all about equal and consitutionally protected rights for all.  And you want to give them the power to tell a woman whether she can or cannot have an abortion.  No thank you, I will stick with Roe V Wade.

Quoting jcrew6:

You do understand how the whole constitution, states rights thing works right?

Quoting bluespagan:

 OK he believes in states rights and in some states women go to PRISON for either miscarrying or delivering stillborn babies.

 

That means that certain states will take away a womans right to choose.  So, he is not supporting anti-choice directly but indirectly, he knows what he is doing and it is underhanded.  Another reason I won't vote for him.

Quoting jcrew6:

Ummm did you read the article you posted and the video?

“I would love the Supreme Court to say, ‘Let’s send this back to the states,’” he said. “Rather than having a federal mandate through Roe v. Wade, let the states again consider this issue state by state.”

 

He belives in STATES RIGHTS!

Quoting bluespagan:

 According to this article http://www.lifenews.com/2012/04/17/mitt-romney-repeats-call-for-overturning-roe-v-wade/ he would call to overturn Roe V Wade.

So either he is lying or just bending the truth a little to not look so bad.

 

Quoting jcrew6:

Romney supports the Hyde Amendment

"On the accusation of being 'multiple-choice', I have to respond. I have my own beliefs, and those beliefs are very dear to me. One of them is that I do not impose my beliefs on other people. Many, many years ago, I had a dear, close family relative that was very close to me who passed away from an illegal abortion. It is since that time my mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter.-Mitt Romney

 "As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change. The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the government's." Mitt Romney

 

 

 

 

 

[Meadowchik]

So Romney says that he would not outlaw th euse of unwanted embroys.  He also says that life should not be created for the purpose of being destroyed.

That's not a contradiction..."Creating something to be destroyed" would be embryo farming for scientific research, for example.  Aloowing surplus embryos to be discarded is not embryo farming, either. 

[Kate_Momof3]

So in Mississippi a law that was enacted to protect fetuses from harm from a THIRD party, ie an abusive boyfriend or husband is being used to prosecute women who have substance abuse problems while pregnant?

One man has been prosecuted under this law, while over 300 women have been or currently being prosecuted.

And the right continues to deny that women aren't being slowly turned into second class citizens through this kind of legislation. Myopic at best.

Thanks for the article.

Quoting bluespagan:

 Yes I do. 

I also know that certain states will ban abortion outright if given the chance.  Or did you not hear about the Mississippi case of the teenage girl who was sent to jail when she delivered a stillborn baby.  The courts decided that she had killed the baby because before she knew she was pregnant she did drugs. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/24/america-pregnant-women-murder-charges

Yeah that state sounds like it is all about equal and consitutionally protected rights for all.  And you want to give them the power to tell a woman whether she can or cannot have an abortion.  No thank you, I will stick with Roe V Wade.

Quoting jcrew6:

You do understand how the whole constitution, states rights thing works right?

Quoting bluespagan:

 OK he believes in states rights and in some states women go to PRISON for either miscarrying or delivering stillborn babies.

 

That means that certain states will take away a womans right to choose.  So, he is not supporting anti-choice directly but indirectly, he knows what he is doing and it is underhanded.  Another reason I won't vote for him.

Quoting jcrew6:

Ummm did you read the article you posted and the video?

“I would love the Supreme Court to say, ‘Let’s send this back to the states,’” he said. “Rather than having a federal mandate through Roe v. Wade, let the states again consider this issue state by state.”

He belives in STATES RIGHTS!

Quoting bluespagan:

 According to this article http://www.lifenews.com/2012/04/17/mitt-romney-repeats-call-for-overturning-roe-v-wade/ he would call to overturn Roe V Wade.

So either he is lying or just bending the truth a little to not look so bad.

 

Quoting jcrew6:

Romney supports the Hyde Amendment

"On the accusation of being 'multiple-choice', I have to respond. I have my own beliefs, and those beliefs are very dear to me. One of them is that I do not impose my beliefs on other people. Many, many years ago, I had a dear, close family relative that was very close to me who passed away from an illegal abortion. It is since that time my mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter.-Mitt Romney

 "As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change. The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the government's." Mitt Romney

 

 

 

[Kate_Momof3]

So he agrees that unused, soon to be discarded embryos should be used in embryonic stem cell research?

Quoting Meadowchik:

So Romney says that he would not outlaw th euse of unwanted embroys.  He also says that life should not be created for the purpose of being destroyed.

That's not a contradiction..."Creating something to be destroyed" would be embryo farming for scientific research, for example.  Aloowing surplus embryos to be discarded is not embryo farming, either. 

[Meadowchik]

Nope, not "should" be, but could be:

“I would, I would not outlaw it… I would allow, I would allow private laboratories and private institutions–as we currently do, and as the president does as well–to use these so-called surplus or embryos to be discarded.”

Quoting Kate_Momof3:

So he agrees that unused, soon to be discarded embryos should be used in embryonic stem cell research?

Quoting Meadowchik:

So Romney says that he would not outlaw th euse of unwanted embroys.  He also says that life should not be created for the purpose of being destroyed.

That's not a contradiction..."Creating something to be destroyed" would be embryo farming for scientific research, for example.  Aloowing surplus embryos to be discarded is not embryo farming, either. 

[Kate_Momof3]

Should, could. My bad. I don't understand how pro-lifers agree with this. 

Quoting Meadowchik:

Nope, not "should" be, but could be:

“I would, I would not outlaw it… I would allow, I would allow private laboratories and private institutions–as we currently do, and as the president does as well–to use these so-called surplus or embryos to be discarded.”

Quoting Kate_Momof3:

So he agrees that unused, soon to be discarded embryos should be used in embryonic stem cell research?

Quoting Meadowchik:

So Romney says that he would not outlaw th euse of unwanted embroys.  He also says that life should not be created for the purpose of being destroyed.

That's not a contradiction..."Creating something to be destroyed" would be embryo farming for scientific research, for example.  Aloowing surplus embryos to be discarded is not embryo farming, either. 

[bluespagan]

 That is correct! 

This is what surprises me about conservative/right wing women, they are fighting against the rights, protections and freedoms they have.  It is as though they want them taken away. 

You would think this story comes from the Middle East or some third world country but it doesn't.  It comes straight from the US. 

Quoting Kate_Momof3:

So in Mississippi a law that was enacted to protect fetuses from harm from a THIRD party, ie an abusive boyfriend or husband is being used to prosecute women who have substance abuse problems while pregnant?

One man has been prosecuted under this law, while over 300 women have been or currently being prosecuted.

And the right continues to deny that women aren't being slowly turned into second class citizens through this kind of legislation. Myopic at best.

Thanks for the article.

Quoting bluespagan:

 Yes I do. 

I also know that certain states will ban abortion outright if given the chance.  Or did you not hear about the Mississippi case of the teenage girl who was sent to jail when she delivered a stillborn baby.  The courts decided that she had killed the baby because before she knew she was pregnant she did drugs. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/24/america-pregnant-women-murder-charges

Yeah that state sounds like it is all about equal and consitutionally protected rights for all.  And you want to give them the power to tell a woman whether she can or cannot have an abortion.  No thank you, I will stick with Roe V Wade.