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America's coming civil war -- makers vs. takers

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“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”  

Abe Lincoln used those words in 1858 to describe a country that was careening toward civil war. Now we’re a house divided again and another civil war is coming, with the 2012 election as its Gettysburg.  

Call it America’s coming civil war between the Makers and the Takers. 

On one side are those who create wealth, America’s private sector–the very ones targeted by President Obama’s tax hikes announced Monday.

On the other are the public employee unions; left-leaning intelligentsia who see the growth of government as index of progress; and the millions of Americans now dependent on government through a growing network of government transfer payments,  from Medicaid and Social Security to college loans and corporate bailouts and handouts (think GM and Solyndra).

Over the past century America’s private sector has been the source of productivity, innovation, creativity, and growth–and gave us the iPhone and iPad. The public sector has been the engine of entitlement, stagnation, and decline -- and gave us Detroit and the South Bronx.   

The private sector built the strongest economy in the world.  It armed the free world in World War Two, and then in the three decades after the war turned America into the most prosperous society history had ever seen.  It revived America in the  Reagan and Clinton years, and thanks to the Bush tax cuts brought this country back from economic collapse after 9/11.

In those same years a growing public sector, by contrast, turned Europe into a cesspool of debt, stalled economies, and chronic social dysfunction that’s set the streets of Athens -- and perhaps other European capitals--on fire.  

That’s where we’re headed, too, more rapidly than we like to think.  

That public sector–state, local, and federal -- now consumes 40% of GDP, compared to 33% just twelve years ago. It’s brought us to the point where 48% of Americans are now on some form of government handout, from 44% when Obama took office–almost a fifth more than during the Reagan years. And too many of them have been programmed to believe they have no future unless the government takes more from the Makers -- precisely what Obama promised on Monday.

So we know which side Obama and the Democratic party are on. Like John Brown’s raid on Harper’s Ferry,  ObamaCare has been a wakeup call to what’s at stake–just as the turbulent events in Wisconsin showed how far Democrats are willing to go to win.  

We’re not Greece yet -- or on the brink of Bull Run. But it’s time for Romney and Republicans to make clear which side they’re on -- and to make it clear there can’t be government transfer payments, from Medicaid to Social Security, without a strong vibrant private sector to pay for them.

They don’t have to stoop to the Democrats’ tactics.  They just have to give our free market, private sector economy the robust defense it deserves.  

A country where more Americans go on Social Security disability than get jobs -- as happened last month--can’t stand. 

Lincoln hoped in 1861 that the “angels of our better nature” would pull us back from catastrophe. He was wrong. Let’s hope in 2012 those angels still hover -- and can make a house divided whole once more.

Historian is the author of the just released "Freedom's Forge: How American Business Produced Victory in World War II" (Random House May 2012) and the Pulitzer Prize finalist book "Gandhi and Churchill: The Epic Rivalry That Destroyed an Empire and Forged Our Age" (Bantam, 2008). 

by on Jul. 13, 2012 at 10:52 PM
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DSamuels
by Gold Member on Jul. 14, 2012 at 12:21 AM
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Quoting 29again:


Quoting gsprofval:

And like my Dad says, it'snot just the U.S., it's the entire world.  Look at the trouble Europe is in right now.

Hell yes!!  And the really sad thing is that some in this country can't seem to see it!  And call those of us who do crazy! 

Socialism does not work.  Communism does not work.  Giving the citizenry everything they could ever want/need does not work.

Nope, because they'll always want MORE.

Mommy_of_Riley
by Just Jess on Jul. 14, 2012 at 12:25 AM
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Wow.

I can't believe there are people that truly think like you....


Quoting gsprofval:

And odumba wants us to believe the rich are the problem and we should have some of their wealth, but you sure don't see odumba giving away any of his wealth.


I do believe he is a muslim terrorist who is trying to bring down the U.S. Ya, it's a conspiracy theory, but one that may come true.  He is NOT an American citizen from what I can see. No, I'm not crazy and I'm not alone in believing this.

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mehamil1
by on Jul. 14, 2012 at 12:25 AM

*in zombie voice* GIVE ME FOOD GIVE ME MEDICAL CARE GIVE ME NONCRAPPY HOUSING GIVE ME GOOD EDUCATION GIVE ME CLEAN ENVIRONMENT GIVE ME LOW INFANT MORTALITY RATE

*drools* 

I'm coming for your brains next. 

Quoting DSamuels:
Quoting 29again:
Quoting gsprofval:

And like my Dad says, it'snot just the U.S., it's the entire world.  Look at the trouble Europe is in right now.

Hell yes!!  And the really sad thing is that some in this country can't seem to see it!  And call those of us who do crazy! 

Socialism does not work.  Communism does not work.  Giving the citizenry everything they could ever want/need does not work.

Nope, because they'll always want MORE.


Mommy_of_Riley
by Just Jess on Jul. 14, 2012 at 12:26 AM
1 mom liked this
I feel like 2012 is the new Y2K
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mehamil1
by on Jul. 14, 2012 at 12:26 AM

She needs another tin foil hat. 

Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:
Wow.
I can't believe there are people that truly think like you....

Quting gsprofval:

And odumba wants us to believe the rich are the problem and we should have some of their wealth, but you sure don't see odumba giving away any of his wealth.

I do believe he is a muslim terrorist who is trying to bring down the U.S. Ya, it's a conspiracy theory, but one that may come true.  He is NOT an American citizen from what I can see. No, I'm not crazy and I'm not alone in believing this.


29again
by Gold Member on Jul. 14, 2012 at 12:34 AM
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What is so difficult to believe......  he did not grow up in America, many people are not convinced he is actually a citizen, and he was a muslim at one time.  He has said that he thinks the "rich" who make more than $250 K a year should pay a lot more in taxes, in fact many in this forum have said the same thing!  You might not agree, but it not that hard to believe that people do feel this way.

Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

Wow.

I can't believe there are people that truly think like you....


Quoting gsprofval:

And odumba wants us to believe the rich are the problem and we should have some of their wealth, but you sure don't see odumba giving away any of his wealth.


I do believe he is a muslim terrorist who is trying to bring down the U.S. Ya, it's a conspiracy theory, but one that may come true.  He is NOT an American citizen from what I can see. No, I'm not crazy and I'm not alone in believing this.


Mommy_of_Riley
by Just Jess on Jul. 14, 2012 at 12:53 AM
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He grew up in Hawaii.... That's America.

He only lived abroad with his mom and step dad for 4 years and then moved back to Hawaii

So that argument makes no sense to me.

Also he never practiced Islam. ( he was never Muslim)... His mother was Baptist as we're his grandparents that he lived with.

So another argument based on falsehoods.

So yeah.... I don't get it. And it shocks me that people just believe these crazy rumors.
Quoting 29again:


What is so difficult to believe......  he did not grow up in America, many people are not convinced he is actually a citizen, and he was a muslim at one time.  He has said that he thinks the "rich" who make more than $250 K a year should pay a lot more in taxes, in fact many in this forum have said the same thing!  You might not agree, but it not that hard to believe that people do feel this way.

Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

Wow.



I can't believe there are people that truly think like you....




Quoting gsprofval:

And odumba wants us to believe the rich are the problem and we should have some of their wealth, but you sure don't see odumba giving away any of his wealth.



I do believe he is a muslim terrorist who is trying to bring down the U.S. Ya, it's a conspiracy theory, but one that may come true.  He is NOT an American citizen from what I can see. No, I'm not crazy and I'm not alone in believing this.


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mehamil1
by on Jul. 14, 2012 at 1:05 AM

And if he did practice Islam, so what? I don't give a shit. 

Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

He grew up in Hawaii.... That's America.
He only lived abroad with his mom and step dad for 4 years and then moved back to Florida...
So that argument makes no sense to me.

Also he never practiced Islam. ( he was never Muslim)... His mother was Baptist as we're his grandparents that he lived with.

So another argument based on falsehoods.

So yeah.... I don't get it. And it shocks me that people just believe these crazy rumors.


Quoting 29again:

What is so difficult to believe......  he did not grow up in America, many people are not convinced he is actually a citizen, and he was a muslim at one time.  He has said that he thinks the "rich" who make more than $250 K a year should pay a lot more in taxes, in fact many in this forum have said the same thing!  You might not agree, but it not that hard to believe that people do feel this way.

Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

Wow.
I can't believe there are people that truly think like you....


Quoting gsprofval:

And odumba wants us to believe the rich are the problem and we should have some of their wealth, but you sure don't see odumba giving away any of his wealth

I do believe he is a muslim terrorist who is trying to bring down the U.S. Ya, it's a conspiracy theory, but one that may come true.  He is NOT an American citizen from what I can see. No, I'm not crazy and I'm not alone in believing this.


29again
by Gold Member on Jul. 14, 2012 at 1:09 AM

I don't care either.  I don't really much care who he believes in.  My issue is the lukewarmness about what he is. 

Quoting mehamil1:

And if he did practice Islam, so what? I don't give a shit. 

Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

He grew up in Hawaii.... That's America.
He only lived abroad with his mom and step dad for 4 years and then moved back to Florida...
So that argument makes no sense to me.

Also he never practiced Islam. ( he was never Muslim)... His mother was Baptist as we're his grandparents that he lived with.

So another argument based on falsehoods.

So yeah.... I don't get it. And it shocks me that people just believe these crazy rumors.


Quoting 29again:

What is so difficult to believe......  he did not grow up in America, many people are not convinced he is actually a citizen, and he was a muslim at one time.  He has said that he thinks the "rich" who make more than $250 K a year should pay a lot more in taxes, in fact many in this forum have said the same thing!  You might not agree, but it not that hard to believe that people do feel this way.

Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

Wow.
I can't believe there are people that truly think like you....


Quoting gsprofval:

And odumba wants us to believe the rich are the problem and we should have some of their wealth, but you sure don't see odumba giving away any of his wealth

I do believe he is a muslim terrorist who is trying to bring down the U.S. Ya, it's a conspiracy theory, but one that may come true.  He is NOT an American citizen from what I can see. No, I'm not crazy and I'm not alone in believing this.



mehamil1
by on Jul. 14, 2012 at 1:17 AM

He's a politician. That comes with the territory. 

Quoting 29again:

I don't care either.  I don't really much care who he believes in.  My issue is the lukewarmness about what he is. 

Quoting mehamil1:

And if he did practice Islam, so what? I don't give a shit. 


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