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U may not like him but he does get his facts straight more so than the rest.....

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Do Democrats Know Obama Cut Medicare?

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RUSH: Are you sick and tired yet of hearing how Paul Ryan wants to kill Medicare? You know what's going to kill Medicare is Medicare. Medicare is going to eat itself. Medicare is going to implode if something isn't done about it, unless somebody does something to save it. And I'll tell you, I had a thought develop yesterday when we were discussing the $700 billion that Obama cuts from Medicare. It's not just that he took $700 billion from Medicare. He put that $700 billion elsewhere. Obama is robbing Medicare. Obama is the guy that's robbing money from Medicare.

By the time it's all said and done, when you factor interest over a number of years, you could accurately say that Obama is taking a trillion dollars out of Medicare and putting it elsewhere in Obamacare. It's not just an accounting move. It's a real transfer of money, in order to keep the overall reported cost down. I remember yesterday having so much trouble convincing people of this, because the meme is out there that Ryan's budget cuts Medicare.

I want to apologize for being so frustrated with Mr. Snerdley, but he was really stupid yesterday. Normally I say it to him a couple times and he understands it. But the whole show yesterday he was frowning at me like I was speaking a foreign language because he was so wedded to the idea that the Ryan budget cuts Medicare. He was so scared that we're going to get creamed on that. I said: "No, the Ryan budget doesn't cut Medicare. Nobody over 55 has anything different happen to them. And if you're under 55, you get to choose to stay in the current Medicare program or choose something else."

And then, ladies and gentlemen, I saw Debbie "Blabbermouth" Schultz on with Wolf Blitzer who took her to school on this. Debbie "Blabbermouth" Schultz, just as Rachel Maddow on Sunday, Meet the Press, Rich Lowry, played you those sound bites, she did not have an answer for the proposition that Obama is cutting $700 billion out of Medicare. She didn't have an answer. All she could say to Lowry's question about it was, "Well, I'm not running for anything." When we played it yesterday, part of me said, "Well, she may not know. She may not know." If Bo Snerdley, who is as informed as anybody except me, or I, on these things, if Bo Snerdley thinks that Ryan cuts $500 billion from Medicare, then certainly every Democrat believes it because why does anybody believe Ryan cuts 500? Because that's what the Democrats say.

So I'm thinking maybe Rachel Maddow doesn't even know. Not that she's lying, not that she was trying to cover up getting caught. She was stymied because she really didn't know. It may have been the first time that she heard that Obamacare cut $700 billion out of Medicare. Then I saw Debbie "Blabbermouth" Schultz on Wolf Blitzer and she didn't know. Now, with Debbie, you don't know if she didn't know or if she is lying about it or a combination of the two. But I began to wonder, all of these television Democrats, all of these so-called Democrat strategists, they may not know. They may not know what Obamacare has done to them. They may not know that they have an indefensible position.

They live off of a playbook that's very simple. Republicans equal what? Starving kids. Cutting Social Security. Kicking the elderly out of their homes. They believed it. They have uttered this by rote for so many decades that they believe it. Conservative Republican equals cuts. It's almost robotic. And when you hit them with, "No, no, Ryan doesn't cut any money out of Medicare. It's Obama, $700 billion." They're floored. They don't have any idea what to do. Really, it's almost like Rachel Maddow and Debbie "Blabbermouth" Schultz are hearing it for the first time. I'll have the sound bite coming for you in just a second.

Then, after thinking that, I ran into a piece at National Review Online by a man by the name of Yuval Levin, who has cowritten things with Pete Weiner, who is my friend, who worked with Rove in the Bush White House. By the way, Pete just announced -- I knew this weeks ago -- I was sworn to secrecy on this, but I knew about it weeks ago. But he announced yesterday that he's joining the Romney campaign. He worked with Paul Ryan at Empower America with Bill Bennett and Jack Kemp back in the nineties. That stuff matters. Bill Bennett and Kemp were great mentors to these guys. It demonstrates that it's important where you go to school, who your mentors are.

Anyway, Yuval Levin has this piece at National review that Obamacare care changed everything. And listen to this paragraph. "I don’t think Axelrod and Maddow were just setting out to lie exactly -- it’s worse than that. Listening to them, it seemed as if they really hadn’t realized until now the situation they were in. They’re used to a certain order of things on Medicare and have not stopped to grasp what Obamacare has done to them. They assume it must be true that Republicans want to cut benefits and Democrats want to preserve them. But it’s not true, not anymore. You could see that panicked realization slowly rising in Maddow’s eyes as she was pressed."

That's exactly what I thought. And with Debbie "Blabbermouth" Schultz, the same thing. So then I began to think: What an opportunity this is. These people, we know they've been lying to us. Now they're lying to themselves. They are in a perfect position from our standpoint to be embarrassed. I think one of the greatest things that's happening here, one of the most positive effects of the selection of Paul Ryan in this campaign, we are already talking more about the issues, and we are double down serious, double down truthful on Medicare, the economy. We're not talking about personalities anymore. We're not talking about Romney and his steel worker's wife being murdered and all that. And we're not even talking about Obama's personality. We're talking about root ideas.

Now, I also have to admit, folks, if you would have told me 20 years ago that in my 25th year on this program Medicare would be one of the prime topics, I would have told you, "Well, then I won't have anybody listening to my show if that's what I'm talking about." Because if I'm talking about Medicare, Social Security, you know what that means? That means I'm finished. Now look what's happened. It has effervesced. It's bubbled up to the top, and it's because of the situation that we're all in, the situation the country is in, and what the future portends if we get this wrong. I'm sitting here in stunned amazement over a lot of these things. But think of it. The idea that Rachel Maddow and Debbie "Blabbermouth" don't know -- and, by the way, that is entirely believable to me, that these people don't really know. Now, I'm not trying to say that they are innocent dupes. They are Marxists. They are leftists. They have every desire for what Obama's doing to happen. I'm not trying to excuse them.

What I'm saying is these people live in their own, created universe where they are elites. They, in their own minds, are smarter than everybody else (same thing with the media), and look at how stupid they are! Look at how really ignorant and sheltered they are from what real life is in this country. And it's probably the case for many elite liberals, media, and high-ranking Democrats. They're low-information flacks! They are the opposite of what their PR or the buzz or the image of them is.

Now they're out there defending something that isn't true, and they are just now awakening to the fact that they really can't defend this. So now they're going to have to start lying again, purposefully, and try to become even more effective in their lies. They are stupid and smug about it. And I'm telling you, it's a golden opportunity for us here (provided that I'm not the only one who thinks this). I have some more Yuval Levin. The Democrats, you see, folks, are stuck in this play.

They never have to defend their ideology. They never have to discuss their ideology! They always hide it. They camouflage it. That's why they say things that are distractions. That's why they lie about who they are and what they believe. It's because they cannot discuss their ideology. Their ideology is represented only by 20%, 25% of the population. They genuinely are a real minority. We've discussed this. They can't be honest about what they really believe. They can't be honest about what they intend.

For more go to:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/08/14/do_democrats_know_obama_cut_medicare

by on Aug. 21, 2012 at 8:05 AM
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BoysManDog
by Bronze Member on Aug. 21, 2012 at 10:06 AM
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Quoting L1558:


Quoting BoysManDog:

"Shut up."                   "STFU."

 

The liberal argument on full display in two quotes.   

I like how you think I"m liberal because of how much I hate Rush.

Way to make assumptions.

I guess idiotic pontification would be the general conservative argument, then?

 Um, no. I think you are liberal because of the foul-mouthed ranting and "I am woman, hear me roar" tripe.

numbr1wmn
by Nikki on Aug. 21, 2012 at 10:06 AM
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Rush is over the top. He does make great points!!!!! Dems like to fearmonger and their followers unfortunatly will follow.

L1558
by on Aug. 21, 2012 at 10:09 AM
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Quoting BoysManDog:


Quoting L1558:


Quoting BoysManDog:

"Shut up."                   "STFU."


The liberal argument on full display in two quotes.   

I like how you think I"m liberal because of how much I hate Rush.

Way to make assumptions.

I guess idiotic pontification would be the general conservative argument, then?

 Um, no. I think you are liberal because of the foul-mouthed ranting and "I am woman, hear me roar" tripe.

Right. Foul-mouthed ranting? 

"I am woman, hear me roar" tripe?

Are you an idiot, or do you also hate women?

Sad.

Little mind.

I don't like you putting me in boxes like that, but that's what your kind does.

4kidz916
by Gold Member on Aug. 21, 2012 at 10:12 AM
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I don't like Rush but he is right on this issue.  

denise3680
by Gold Member on Aug. 21, 2012 at 10:22 AM
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I have to read up on this issue more but from what I understand the same amount of cuts or money amounts 716 billion are presented in the Ryan budget also.  The difference is the cuts, from what I am getting now, Obama- fraud,expenses, and something else not in care or availability.  Ryan- stay on the pan but only receive a voucher for 9500, which does not take effect until 2032? does not take into account the rate of health cost or insurance cost, then you are left to your own devices to pay whatever the insurance does not cover. IMO, this seems that only the less well off will be on medicare, because they will nto be able to afford anything else and the ones with major health issus and I do not know how this will curb the cost of anyhing or save medicare. b

Oh by the way, I do not like Rush at all.

rccmom
by Gold Member on Aug. 21, 2012 at 10:23 AM
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Rush usually does an excellent job of taking partial facts and propogating a falsehood with them. He is skilled at this and that is why so many people listen to him. Yes, Obama is cutting the amount of money on Medicare, through reforms and such that will hold down prices. Nowhere does it say in all of this that it will increase out of pocket expenses for seniors because it won't. What we do know about Ryan's Medicare plan is that it would increase out of pocket expenses to seniors, but not current seniors. As much as the Republicans constantly whine about wanting to cut costs, you would think they would be a bit more onboard with this plan.

And I would have more respect for Rush if he could cut the school yard name calling. Debbie "Blabbermouth" Schultz, really? What a jerk.

_Kissy_
by on Aug. 21, 2012 at 10:27 AM
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Romney's $716B Medicare cut attack is dubious
http://m.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml?catid=57494197&feed_id=29&videofeed=null




That blowhard is never right.
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BoysManDog
by Bronze Member on Aug. 21, 2012 at 10:51 AM
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Quoting L1558:


Quoting BoysManDog:

 

Quoting L1558:


Quoting BoysManDog:

"Shut up."                   "STFU."

 

The liberal argument on full display in two quotes.   

I like how you think I"m liberal because of how much I hate Rush.

Way to make assumptions.

I guess idiotic pontification would be the general conservative argument, then?

 Um, no. I think you are liberal because of the foul-mouthed ranting and "I am woman, hear me roar" tripe.

Right. Foul-mouthed ranting?        Yes, foul-mouthed ranting.

"I am woman, hear me roar" tripe?     Yes, "I am woman, hear me roar" tripe.

Are you an idiot, or do you also hate women?     Yet more "I am woman, hear me roar" tripe.

Sad.           And more.

Little mind.        And more.

I don't like you putting me in boxes like that, but that's what your kind does.     

Methinks, based on your original "STFU," that you don't like hearing anything that is not in aggreance with your own "little mind." 

And that was the point of MY original post.  Instead of a coherent argument against the point that Rush made regarding the Obama medicare lies, you LIBS, instead, write "STFU!" 


BoysManDog
by Bronze Member on Aug. 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM
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Quoting rccmom:

Rush usually does an excellent job of taking partial facts and propogating a falsehood with them. He is skilled at this and that is why so many people listen to him. Yes, Obama is cutting the amount of money on Medicare, through reforms and such that will hold down prices. Nowhere does it say in all of this that it will increase out of pocket expenses for seniors because it won't. What we do know about Ryan's Medicare plan is that it would increase out of pocket expenses to seniors, but not current seniors. As much as the Republicans constantly whine about wanting to cut costs, you would think they would be a bit more onboard with this plan.

And I would have more respect for Rush if he could cut the school yard name calling. Debbie "Blabbermouth" Schultz, really?  What a jerk.

Would "jerk" qualify as "school yard name calling?" 

GardenerArtist
by Bronze Member on Aug. 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM
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Why any self-respecting woman would listen to mysogynist Rush is beyond me. He appeals to those who love to get all riled up, rather than discuss anything intellectually in a calm, respectful civil manner.   He was a drug addict people. Drug addicts lie.

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