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Once Again - The Fact Checkers Were Wrong

Posted by on Sep. 1, 2012 at 6:19 PM
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The Associated Press and other fact-checkers are insisting that the line about the Janesville GM factory in Paul Ryan’s speech last night was inaccurate — and once again, the fact-checkers are wrong. 

Here’s the AP’s allegation against Ryan:

RYAN: SAID:  Obama misled people in Ryan’s hometown of Janesville, Wis., by making them think a General Motors plant there threatened with closure could be saved. “A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: ‘I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.’ That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year.”

THE FACTS:   The plant halted production in December 2008, weeks before Obama took office and well before he enacted a more robust auto industry bailout that rescued GM and Chrysler and allowed the majority of their plants — though not the Janesville facility — to stay in operation. Ryan himself voted for an auto bailout under President George W. Bush that was designed to help GM, but he was a vocal critic of the one pushed through by Obama that has been widely credited with revitalizing both GM and Chrysler.

    The AP might want to check back on its own reporting on the plant closure, starting with this article from April 19, 2009, headlined “GM plant in Janesville to close for good this week”: Production at the General Motors plant in Janesville is scheduled to end for good this week.  GM spokesman Christopher Lee says operations at the southern Wisconsin plant will cease Thursday.  About 1,200 employees were let go just before Christmas when GM ended SUV production at the plant.  Some 100 workers were retained to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors Ltd.  Lee says most of those workers will be laid off Thursday. He says others will be kept on to help guide the plant’s shutdown.

The Janesville plant ended its SUV production line and laid off over 1,000 workers in December 2008, but the plant didn't officially close. It continued to churn out an order of Isuzu trucks until April 2009, while the local union lobbied GM for a lifeline. In May, GM put the plant onto standby, meaning that it wasn't completely shutting the door on it. There was some hope the plant would be able to resume production — and Wisconsin’s bipartisan congressional delegation, including Paul Ryan, scrambled to find a way to keep it alive — but it never happened.

To simply say that the plant “halted production” in December 2008, like AP does, is both inaccurate and misleading. It was more complicated than that. If the media wants to criticize Ryan for not being “nuanced” enough and failing to praise Obama for brilliantly saving GM, that’s fine. But Ryan’s comments weren't inaccurate.

Perhaps the Fact Checkers could get themselves some Fact Checkers to check the Facts that the Fact Checkers just checked.  Maybe they could check out the possibility.


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4kidz916
by Gold Member on Sep. 1, 2012 at 6:21 PM
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Perhaps the Fact Checkers could get themselves some Fact Checkers to check the Facts that the Fact Checkers just checked.  Maybe they could check out the possibility.

Talk about a tongue twister. 

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by Silver Member on Sep. 1, 2012 at 6:24 PM
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Quoting 4kidz916:

Perhaps the Fact Checkers could get themselves some Fact Checkers to check the Facts that the Fact Checkers just checked.  Maybe they could check out the possibility.

Talk about a tongue twister. 

 It reminded me of the subtitles on Monty Python's Holy Grail.  "The writers who have been sacked..."

gsprofval
by Gold Member on Sep. 1, 2012 at 6:25 PM
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More about this was posted in another article. 

The above article fails to mention that odumba visited Janesville and promised to keep the plant open--so Ryan is NOT lying about it.

Xlandria
by Bronze Member on Sep. 1, 2012 at 6:27 PM
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I'm glad you ladies enjoyed my little add on at the bottom. It just popped into my head and onto the paper. Things like that happen often to me so I just go with it. Thanks

Xlandria
by Bronze Member on Sep. 1, 2012 at 6:30 PM
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Not only that but I understand that Bush was prepared to help the plant out but Obama didn't want to comprimise between what he wanted & what Bush wanted. OK now, sit down for this...Obama wanted it all his way or not at all. So he threw all those employees under the bus.

Quoting gsprofval:

More about this was posted in another article. 

The above article fails to mention that odumba visited Janesville and promised to keep the plant open--so Ryan is NOT lying about it.


_Kissy_
by on Sep. 1, 2012 at 6:33 PM
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Brad Dutcher, Former Janesville GM Plant Employee, Says Paul Ryan 'Should Be Ashamed Of Himself' For Misleading Claim (VIDEO)

Republican vice presidential nominee, Rep. Paul Ryan and his wife Janna points to delegates during the Republican National Convention in Tampa,Fla., on Thursday, Aug. 30, 2012. (AP Photo/Charlie Neibergall)

A former employee of the General Motors plant in Janesville, Wisconsin said Paul Ryan "should be ashamed of himself" for his misleading claim about the plant's shutdown.

During his speech at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday, Ryan blamed President Obama for the plant's closing.

"Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said, 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008," Ryan had said. "Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year."

Brad Dutcher, the former GM employee, told MSNBC's Ed Schultz on Friday that he was at the Janesville plant during Obama's visit and that Ryan had told an "outright lie" by implying that Obama had been responsible for the plant's closure.

Dutcher said that Obama "had nothing to do with the decision to close our factory." He added that "there was never a promise made...to keep our plant open. That is completely false."

Dutcher's comments come on the heels of widespread criticism from Democrats and the media. A progressive Fox News columnist called the speech "apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech." The Washington Post called it "breathtakingly dishonest." Stephanie Cutter, Obama's deputy campaign manager, told the LA Times that "Paul Ryan lied."

As Schultz pointed out, the plant shut down in December 2008, when George W. Bush was still in office. The plant's shutdown had been announced months earlier.

Dutcher said that Ryan should be "ashamed of himself" for his misleading claim.

"To turn this plant closing into a political football is shameful," he said. "We still have families that are separated, we have moms and dads that drive 4, 5 states away that come home on the weekends to see their families," because of the plant's closing.

Ryan's campaign has pushed back against criticisms, arguing that "whenever the plant may have closed, it has yet to re-open under Obama, and is therefore a symbol of a failed recovery."

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gsprofval
by Gold Member on Sep. 1, 2012 at 6:36 PM
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Actually, the plant didn't completely close until 2009 according to real records.

As Schultz pointed out, the plant shut down in December 2008, when George W. Bush was still in office. The plant's shutdown had been announced months earlier.

Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Sep. 1, 2012 at 6:46 PM
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Plenty of lies.

You know what doesn't lie? Someone's voting record- check out Ryan's-

Pema_Jampa
by Celeste on Sep. 1, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Source?

NWP
by Guerilla Girl on Sep. 1, 2012 at 8:30 PM

They maintained a skeleton crew until the last order was filled then kept about 50 employees to break down the plant for a couple of extra months. The decision to do this was decided long before Obama took office....They were just finishing up some unfinished business after the official decision had been made.

If you want to look at logistics of claiming that "finishing up some old business" is something he should be accountable for, then let's look at Romney's Bain records for the years past his "retirement" where he received a paycheck as president, CEO and primary share holder.

Or was that just finishing up some unfishined business after the official decision had been made??

Quoting gsprofval:

Actually, the plant didn't completely close until 2009 according to real records.

As Schultz pointed out, the plant shut down in December 2008, when George W. Bush was still in office. The plant's shutdown had been announced months earlier.


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