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Report says ObamaCare to result in higher death rate for seniors

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Report says ObamaCare to result in higher death rate for seniors

In 1997 when Congress and the Clinton administration cut payment rates to hospitals for the treatment of Medicare patients, statistics show that death rates increased by 7 percent in those facilities that incurred the most drastic cuts.

Based upon the statistics from 1997, a new report today indicates that ObamaCare will result in higher death rates for senior adultsdue to the drastic cuts in the amount hospitals will be paid to treat Medicare patients.

In order to fund ObamaCare, the administration implemented cuts to the Medicare program totaling over $700 billion. But in order to assuage the fears of seniors that their benefits will be cut, Obama has reassured seniors that the cuts will not impact them directly but only hospitals.

But according to Betsy McCaughey, cuts to hospitals to treat Medicare patients will have the effect of endangering their lives. If hospitals are not paid sufficiently to treat seniors on Medicare, then the quality and quantity of the care they render will be negatively impacted.

The danger to seniors does not rest merely in vast reductions in payments to hospitals, however. The rate of payment to doctors for treating Medicare patients will also be cut.

And in addition to hospitals and doctors, the cuts that ObamaCare mandates also apply to kidney dialysis centers, hospices, and nursing homes.

A leading scientific journal, the Annals of Internal Medicine, published the results of a 10-year study of 208 hospitals in California from 1999 to 2008. The study resulted in the following ominous statistics:

Exhaustive data on over two million elderly patients treated at 208 California hospitals from 1999 to 2008 show that elderly patients treated in low spending hospitals (bottom quintile) get less care and have a worse chance of surviving and leaving the hospital than elderly patients with the same diagnosis treated at higher spending hospitals. The research, sponsored by the National Institute on Aging and RAND and published in 2011 found that heart attack patients were 19% more likely to die at low spending hospitals.

Over a four year period, 13,613 seniors with pneumonia, stroke, heart attacks and other common conditions who died at low spending hospitals would have recovered and gone home had they been treated at a higher spending institution.(Annals of Internal Medicine, February 1, 2011) That’s the death toll in one state with about 10% of the Medicare population.

Thus, while the president crisscrosses the country telling seniors that he will "protect Medicare," what he does not say is that his draconian reductions in payments to doctors and medical facilities inherent to ObamaCare will place them at a significantly greater risk for shoddy medical care and ultimately, death.

by on Sep. 14, 2012 at 12:45 AM
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gsprofval
by Gold Member on Sep. 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM
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I am glad your fathers were able to get healthcare to keep them alive.

However, in the obamacare bill, even insurance like they have now will be severely restricted, which is sad because senior citizens still have  a lot to offer us.

jessilin0113
by on Sep. 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM
They are funded by Medicare and subject to same guidelines. Also have the same fee schedule so doctors/hospitals still take significant cuts.


Quoting Lacey14:


Quoting momto3infl:

 Because they can get a different insurance (medicare replacement plan) that pays like medicare and doesnt have premiums in most cases.  My father has this and it pays just like medicare it is through BCBS-other insurance companies offer them also, just need to see which the hosptial you visit and drs you see take the insurance just like any other type of insurance-and it is great.  He had a procedure that was about 8000, he only had to pay 250-which with straight medicare he would have had to pay more.

Who knows how long companies will offer medicare replacement plans?  Those aren't government programs like Medicare is, and could easily disappear.


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jessilin0113
by on Sep. 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM
How so?


Quoting gsprofval:

I am glad your fathers were able to get healthcare to keep them alive.


However, in the obamacare bill, even insurance like they have now will be severely restricted, which is sad because senior citizens still have  a lot to offer us.


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Lacey14
by Bronze Member on Sep. 14, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Right.  When these insurance companies don't get money that was taken away from Medicare, they will not provide the services either.  They are only available now, because they get their money from medicare.  Then they up the anti by providing just a little more, so that you will use their company.  If the money isn't there anymore, their service will leave also.  

Quoting momto3infl:

I doubt that because this what was asked in regards to the healthcare for seniors. Now they may start charging a premium for many, but since the insurance companies are getting their money and kickbacks from the individuals medicare.

Quoting Lacey14:


Quoting momto3infl:

 Because they can get a different insurance (medicare replacement plan) that pays like medicare and doesnt have premiums in most cases.  My father has this and it pays just like medicare it is through BCBS-other insurance companies offer them also, just need to see which the hosptial you visit and drs you see take the insurance just like any other type of insurance-and it is great.  He had a procedure that was about 8000, he only had to pay 250-which with straight medicare he would have had to pay more.

Who knows how long companies will offer medicare replacement plans?  Those aren't government programs like Medicare is, and could easily disappear.


Lacey14
by Bronze Member on Sep. 14, 2012 at 10:15 AM


Quoting notonepercenter:


Quoting momto3infl:

 Because they can get a different insurance (medicare replacement plan) that pays like medicare and doesnt have premiums in most cases.  My father has this and it pays just like medicare it is through BCBS-other insurance companies offer them also, just need to see which the hosptial you visit and drs you see take the insurance just like any other type of insurance-and it is great.  He had a procedure that was about 8000, he only had to pay 250-which with straight medicare he would have had to pay more.

WHAT????? Obama Cares actually had a positive affect on an American family???  Yay!  I'm so happy for you and your family and hope your father is well.  I have a similar story about my father who just had open-heart surgery.  He is doing great and enjoying retirement after a long career in the auto-industry, supporting a family of 5 and serving his country during Vietnam.  Why wouldn't we as a country want to take care of our elders?  Some within this post, for some reason want to believe our President wants to kill old people, especially if they are sick.  Creepy mind-set, and a moral compass in need of recalibration!

News flash...her father wasn't helped through obamacare as you suggested.  She said her father had a medicare replacement plan, and those were started up way before Obama was even elected.

Did your father use medicare or a replacement medicare plan, or did he have another kind of insurance policy?

itsmesteph11
by on Sep. 14, 2012 at 10:54 AM
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 There is no FREE insurance nor Healthcare.   Medicare advantage is where Obama will take most of the money to start Obamacare.  Obama will cut payments to Drs and hospitals (even more than now) and these Drs will stop taking medicare(as they have already) At some point we will have nothing but Obama exchanges and the rich mans policy(the one where they pay for their own care)  It's crazy beyond belief that with the knowlege of a 15 person panel of unelected people who will decide if care is cost efficient people are still thinking this might actually come anywhere near to acomplishing what Obama says it will without pain to the patient.

All you Romney haters need to think twice about the fact that you will be handing over your most important care decisions to 15 people just like him.

Quoting gsprofval:

It seems likely that all insurance other than government ones will disappear under obamacare.

 

broncfan
by Silver Member on Sep. 14, 2012 at 10:58 AM
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Quoting itsmesteph11:

 There is no FREE insurance nor Healthcare.   Medicare advantage is where Obama will take most of the money to start Obamacare.  Obama will cut payments to Drs and hospitals (even more than now) and these Drs will stop taking medicare(as they have already) At some point we will have nothing but Obama exchanges and the rich mans policy(the one where they pay for their own care)  It's crazy beyond belief that with the knowlege of a 15 person panel of unelected people who will decide if care is cost efficient people are still thinking this might actually come anywhere near to acomplishing what Obama says it will without pain to the patient.

All you Romney haters need to think twice about the fact that you will be handing over your most important care decisions to 15 people just like him.

Quoting gsprofval:

It seems likely that all insurance other than government ones will disappear under obamacare.

 

Why do people not believe this?  Or even better, why do they not care?

gsprofval
by Gold Member on Sep. 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM
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Peope on CM are already saying how doctor offices are already being told of cuts to healthcare. They are the insiders and it's already affecting how little care we are allowed to receive,  if at all.

broncfan
by Silver Member on Sep. 14, 2012 at 11:28 AM
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Quoting gsprofval:

Peope on CM are already saying how doctor offices are already being told of cuts to healthcare. They are the insiders and it's already affecting how little care we are allowed to receive,  if at all.


I am a nurse in an ER for children, we have not seen cuts yet but are told that they are coming.  This past weekend I had an administrator tell me that triage nurses will need new training after the first of the year. He used the example of one patient we had in the ER at that time.  A 14 month old with flea bites on 80% of her body, not an emergency will be turned away to present in Clinic at next opening. 

Pema_Jampa
by 2HotTacoTini on Sep. 14, 2012 at 11:32 AM
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And vouchers will save them! Really people? 

SMH

Quoting _Kissy_:

Because seniors never died before obamacare


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