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53 Seconds that Should End a Presidency

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by on Sep. 14, 2012 at 9:57 AM
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Ednarooni160
by Eds on Sep. 17, 2012 at 1:12 AM
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Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Exactly..like he said "we don't have to pay people to hate us..they will do it for free".

Ednarooni160
by Eds on Sep. 17, 2012 at 1:15 AM
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Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting imamomzilla:

 

 

 

Momzilla...remember this wink mini

And when bad things happen in America..will Obama be a phone call away?

blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Sep. 17, 2012 at 1:31 AM
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Quoting CDMelty:

This myth that all liberals listen to, or even like, Michael Moore and Bill Maher and other self-appointed spokesmen for the left is ridiculous. It's like saying that all conservatives listen to, or even like, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.  Point taken. But the Michael Moores eagerly echoed this sentiment concerning Pres. Bush with the school children on 911 thru out the media for months following the terrorist attack. Your words reflect this ridiculous conclusion.  Not every conservative believes that only a whore wants her pill covered by insurance, and not every liberal thinks abortion should be covered by insurance either.  For you to imply conservatives label women as whores who engage in sexual relations & use the pill is presumptuous on your part. I may not agree with their personal choices but I do not resort to namecalling. You are correct... I do not want to pay for sterilization procedures or abortifacients when my Christian faith teaches this is immoral. There are many clinics thru out America which will accomodate women & contraception free of charge. I do not want to pay for this. For what it's worth, I'm married to a republican. I'm very respectful of republicans in general. I just don't like how some on both sides instantly hate people and think they know everything about people once they run for office as a dem or rep. Again you readily use derogatory terms to describe those you disagree with. I do NOT hate anyone including Barack Obama. You like to generalize but criticize others for practicing this. Reminds me of the numerous times I was labeled a racist because I would not vote for Obama. Skin color has no bearing when I enter the voting booth. Policies, experience, strength of character, a genuine love & respect for America are the reasons I vote for a particular Candidate. I don't like how politicians all just follow the party line and vote the way their party says they should. I disagree. We don't even elect people anymore. Nobody has to show up to vote half the time, they could just count up the party members and leave it at that; everyone votes party lines now. And when I clicked on this thread in the beginning, I was expecting to see something anti-Obama. But I thought it would be a gaffe, or something he really screwed up, not a youtube mash-up of Um and Uh and Err. It disappointed me, not as a liberal, because there are libs who pull that immatyure crap all the time, but as a thinking voter. You have the option not to respond if the topic is not favorable to you. I skip many threads for various reasons. So I responded with somehting that I thought Bush really did wrong, that took a comparable number of seconds, that possibly should have ended his presidency. You are entitled to your opinion but it is preposterous to think Bush was insensitive concerning the 911 attacks. I have listened to countless family members of slain soldiers who said Pres. Bush is genuinely compassionate and deeply concerned about this Nation & the American ppl. He personally met with many of the families. Several moms responded to your comment refuting your claims Bush was insensitive & callous toward the terrorist attacks. He was deeply concerned about not frightening the children. I believe many of us would have responded in this fashion. Bush wanted to immediately fly back to the WH to fulfill his duties as Commander n' Chief but his Secret Service and advisers warned it was too dangerous. Or at least come as close as any 53 second act can come to being worth losing a presidency. Quite frankly I think it should take a more substative goof than 53 seconds, but I'm not the OP here, I didn't title the video, so I went with the time limit posted.

Thank you for your opinion. Obviously we disagree in respect to several issues.....

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting CDMelty:

And yet the republicans didn't feel Bush's presidency should end after he sat in that classroom listening to story time rather than jumping to action when we were attacked on 9/11.

Good grief! Michael Moore has taught you well! Former President Bush didn't want to frighten the students. I recently listened to those who were with the President @ the school on Sept 11th and fully understand why he hesitated to leave abruptly. He is a very compassionate man who loves this Country dearly~

 

 

blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Sep. 17, 2012 at 1:52 AM
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Quoting Ednarooni160:

 

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting imamomzilla:

 

 

 

Momzilla...remember this wink mini

And when bad things happen in America..will Obama be a phone call away?

He's too busy spending time with celebrities or golfing.....

Ednarooni160
by Eds on Sep. 17, 2012 at 1:56 AM
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Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting Ednarooni160:


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting imamomzilla:

 

 

 

Momzilla...remember this wink mini

And when bad things happen in America..will Obama be a phone call away?

He's too busy spending time with celebrities or golfing.....

Or campaigning or sleeping.. It's only the country and American lives..what does he have to be worried about? (smh)

Fields456
by Bronze Member on Sep. 17, 2012 at 2:04 AM
I'm even sure what to say! Zilla u know we agree politically but that cut and paste video is just that a cut and paste from all his fumbles. Which bush was very guilty off too. I def don't like Obama and can't wait to see him out of office but I know u are ganna get shit for that video. Kwim
pvtjokerus
by Gold Member on Sep. 17, 2012 at 8:03 AM
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Heck no. Bush did a great job.  You criticize Bush for pausing and collecting his thoughts, but I have yet to see you criticize Obama when the military had to wait over 36 hours for Obama to make a decision on whether or not to take out the Somalia pirates when they kidnapped the Americans.  Or how about his indecisiveness on making a decision to take out bin Laden? 

Quoting CDMelty:

And yet the republicans didn't feel Bush's presidency should end after he sat in that classroom listening to story time rather than jumping to action when we were attacked on 9/11.


blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Sep. 17, 2012 at 9:49 AM

 

Quoting pvtjokerus:

Heck no. Bush did a great job.  You criticize Bush for pausing and collecting his thoughts, but I have yet to see you criticize Obama when the military had to wait over 36 hours for Obama to make a decision on whether or not to take out the Somalia pirates when they kidnapped the Americans.  Or how about his indecisiveness on making a decision to take out bin Laden? 

Very true. Or the months Obama took before agreeing to give our Commanders more troops to combat terrorism!?

Quoting CDMelty:

And yet the republicans didn't feel Bush's presidency should end after he sat in that classroom listening to story time rather than jumping to action when we were attacked on 9/11.

 

 

blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Sep. 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM
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Quoting shimamab:

 Whenever anyone refers to this movie as truth, I have to stifle a laugh. D'Souza took enough factual information about Obama, then made assumptions about how those facts affected him and what it caused him to "believe". Each person, even genetically identical people, process things differently. What Obama may or may not believe based on his life experiences and influences are only known by him and those VERY close to him. D'Souza is not one of those people and he also has a conservative agenda (along with making $$). Watch it if you like, make assumptions about how the actual VERIFIABLE facts may have affected our pres, but to call it truth? Call it what it is: an educated guess, a theory, a gut instinct, whatever.  

When an individual associates with many shady characters thru out their life, numerous Communists & radicals, nominates advisers to his cabinet who espouse radical beliefs, gives any intelligent person serious reason to pause. Assumptions...no. Common sense & wisdom comes into play here, shimamab. If a person has a friend who is a Communist, I may take notice. When that person has a litany of friends who are known Marxists & Socialists, attends a Church for 20 yrs which teaches Marxist theology, a Minister who despises Israel America's faithful alley in the ME, baptizes his 2 children in this Church, yes I am deeply concerned esp when he is elected 'leader of the free world.' Barack Obama has been influenced by those he associates with since childhood. By their fruits you shall know them. Psychology 101....you are the company you keep. Unfortunately, some are willing to ignore this reality @ the expense of Party preference & ideology. Not surprising you make excuses for Barack Obama, attempt to discredit Mr D'Souza & his film which portrays the truth concerning future events & consequences. America & the world is rapidly bearing the fruits of this decision. Leading from behind doctrine is up in flames! Our children & grandchildren will be forced to deal with the painful repercussions for yrs to come, economically, socially, morally and the violent unrest in the world.

Obama's Communist mentor.....

The seeds of his far-left ideology were planted in his formative years as a teenager in Hawaii - and they were far more radical than any biography or profile in the media has portrayed.

A careful reading of Obama's first memoir, "Dreams From My Father," reveals that his childhood mentor up to age 18 - a man he cryptically refers to as "Frank" - was none other than the late communist Frank Marshall Davis, who fled Chicago after the FBI and Congress opened investigations into his "subversive," "un-American activities."

As Obama was preparing to head off to college, he sat at Davis' feet in his Waikiki bungalow for nightly bull sessions. Davis plied his impressionable guest with liberal doses of whiskey and advice, including: Never trust the white establishment.

"They'll train you so good," he said, "you'll start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that sh**."

http://news.investors.com/072808-489219-barack-obamas-stealth-socialism.aspx?p=2

Quoting jcribb16:

Seeing the Obama movie in the theaters would also be helpful for many who need to see and hear the truth about him.

Yes, I agree....

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting shimamab:

Oh please, 53 seconds of stammering and losing his train of thought. Yes, certainly worth "ending a presidency" over.

More than 40 months of unemployment above 8%, 15% when you factor in those underemployed or who have stopped looking for work. Rising gas prices, rising food prices, Obamacare, high taxes, distorted view of capitalism, bloody unrest in the Middle East and now Europe. 80,000 troops losing their jobs, depleting our nuclear arsenal equivalent to 3rd world Countries { Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, Iran, Russia, China, Venzuela, Cuba, Nicaragua etc are cheering for this }. Whispering a message of appeasement for Vladimir Putin if re-elected, high priced education. Continually boasting about killing bin Laden. Failure to give credit where credit is due including many experts during the Bush Presidency which led to the death of this infamous terrorist leader. Shuns & disrespects Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Surrounds himself with anti-Israel advisers! Refuses to acknowledge America's exceptionalism. Most pro-abortion President in American history, lack of respect for religious freedom, Communist mentors, a litany of Communist & Socialist friends since his childhood etc etc... just to name a few shimamab but there are countless reasons Barack Obama should NOT be re-elected!

Obamaism vs. capitalism

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/john-feehery/238231-obamaism-vs-capitalism-

Reminder: Obama to Lay Off 80,000 US Soldiers

This decision comes despite last year's warning from Obama's own Defense Secretary that further military cuts could "damage our national defense."

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/01/10/reminder_obama_to_lay_off_80000_us_soldiers

Putin’s July 4th Message

Russian nuclear-capable bombers intercepted near West Coast in second U.S. air defense zone intrusion in two weeks

http://freebeacon.com/putins-july-4th-message/print/

Nuking our Nukes

http://freebeacon.com/nuking-our-nukes/

 

 

 

Barack Obama and Israel

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/barack_obama_and_israel.html

 

More Obamacare Fiction. What good is a Medicare card if you can't find a doctor? That is precisely the problem that patients on Medicaid — the program for lower-income Americans — face today, forcing them to go to hospital emergency rooms for even routine care. Do seniors want that? And they certainly don't want the Independent Payment Advisory Board, the unelected, unaccountable board of 15 bureaucrats charged with keeping Medicare spending down. The main tool the IPAB will have is an ax to cut Medicare payments even further, which will reduce access to care even more.

Obama's Close Friends & Associates

http://theobamafile.com/_associates/obamaassociates.htm

Obama's high-priced education did not lead to enlightenment

Unfortunately, the president's high-priced education did not lead to enlightenment. The president has increased federal Pell Grants and other student aid — in the name of “making college more affordable.” He doesn't seem to have noticed that when federal aid grows, college tuition follows.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Obama-s-high-priced-education-did-not-lead-to-3845452.php#ixzz26bSRl9xf

New President Most Pro-Abortion in Nation’s History

http://www.lifeissues.org/press/2008/11-05-08.htm


 

 

7SportsMom7
by Bronze Member on Sep. 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM

The only fact between you and me is that we have different belief systems.  While others on these boards also differ from my beliefs, I have been able to either agree to disagree and at times, after hearing some of their differing thoughts, been able to say "okay, I can see that side".  With you, I feel like you are so angry that I don't agree with you that you continue to reiterate the same things over and over.  "You didn't build it" it a concept and I what I meant by your literal explanations is that I don't need to bet told that businesses need customers.  Come on.

Finally, I do feel sorry for anyone that can't get past the fact someone does agree with them to the extent it causes anger and defensiveness.  I most definitely see both sides ... you just think I don't because I don't agree with you.

Quoting AdellesMom:

Thank you for proving my point.

I only deal with reality and facts. Of course my explanations are going to be literal and logical. So, thank you for that compliment. ;) Also, I'm not being defensive. Why is it that someone accuses an opposing viewpoint of being "defensive" because they don't agree? That's silly. I was simply explaining facts. It's not my fault that you and others are not receptive of anything or anyone that disagrees with you.

See, you've inforced the fact that I'm right even more. How? Well, usually people thatn have nothing of substance to add to a conversation end with a personal attack or a line like "I feel sorry for you." Feeling sorry for someone simply because you disagree with them is completely illogical.

It's quite sad that you feel sorry for someone that's able to form their own thoughts and opinions without spewing political party rhetoric. Besides, I wasn't debating anything with you. You've already proven yourself to be incapable of debate because you're unable to see both sides.

Have a good evening.

Quoting 7SportsMom7:

No worries - McCaIn and Romney wouldn't say it. Your literal explanations and continued defensiveness help me realize I can't debate with you. I just have sympathy for you (truly no sarcasm intended).


Quoting AdellesMom:

Look, you're trying to twist his words. Whatever. There's obviously no getting through to you.



My husband didn't build his businesses on his own. He has customers. Without his customers, he'd have no business. He'd have to shut down because no one would be paying him for his services. Without his education, he wouldn't have had the tools and knowledge, and know how to start his own businesses. Without his Military experience, he wouldn't have those tools either. Someone somewhere taught my husband what he knows now. He didn't come into this world a know-it-all. So, he didn't build his business by himself.



That's what Obama meant. He even said in his speech that someone helped you along the way. That's

The truth. No one got to where they are on their own. But, in our pompously arrogant American minds, we can't see that. (Generally speaking.) That's certainly evident in the way Obama's speech was perceived, edited, and taken out of context.



How many of you would be singing the same song if, say, John McCain or Mitt Romney had made the exact same speech? My guess is not many of you. The only reason that this is such a big deal is because President Obama dared to say that someone helped you to get to where you are today. He dared to say the truth.



Personally, if a Republican had made the same exact speech, I'd be singing the same song and just as receptive of it. Why? It's the truth. I'd be a fool to think that I got to where I am 100% on my own without the help and guidance of someone out there. Personally, I can thank my college professors, my mother (may she rest in peace), my father, husband, stepmother, siblings, other family, friends, and children. Hell, I even thank my rapist and molestor. I don't thank them for what they did to me, I thank them because that tragedy helped to mold me into the strong and confident young woman that I am today.



Back to his speech: how do you know what Obama would say?! You don't. No one does. Well, except for Obama. Would it have made more sense for him to say "you didn't build those" if his "you didn't build that" statement referred to the roads and bridges? Yes, of course. However, I think that anyone with half a brain (no offense) could see what he meant if they weren't so intent on trying to find something negative about everything that he does. (Generally speaking.)



Obama's speech was pretty straightforward. You didn't get to where you are alone; you didn't build your business by yourself. That's his point.



He didn't say that you didn't work hard to get to where you are today. He didn't say that you didn't contribute to your success at all. He simply said that you didn't get to where you are on your own.



Now, you don't have to agree with me. You probably won't. However, I think that anyone that takes what he said that far out of context simply because they don't like Obama is foolish. No offense.




Quoting SallyMJ:

Hey AdellesMom,

Let's turn this down a few notches.  I mean no harm to you. We have different opinions. Let's just look at the three main sentences in question:

"If you were successful...Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Some people say that "You didn't build that" refers to roads and bridges. But if Obama meant roads and bridges, he would have said, "You didn't build THOSE" - roads and bridges being plural. But because he said, "You didn't build THAT" and "Somebody else made THAT happen", he is referring to "business", the only singular noun in that section.

We typically take people at their word (exceptions of poetry, metaphor, some art). And we want people to take us at our word. Mr. Obama is a masterful speaker. He has great speechwriters. This was a written speech - not delivered by Teleprompter - but still a written speech. Obama- especially with his fine speechwriters, does not make grammatical mistakes, does not make syntax (word order) errors. There is no way to reorder the words and make it say something else. Mr. Obama did not feel he made a mistake, until he realized the hellstorm he raised and all the Americans he alienated by those sentences.  First he said that people misunderstood him, then he said he made a "syntax" error.  I wish he would just man up and just say he regrets what he said (if indeed he does). 


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