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Mitt Romney will probably get 95 electoral votes from ‘moocher’ states. Obama will probably get 5.

Posted by on Sep. 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM
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Mitt Romney will probably get 95 electoral votes from ‘moocher’ states. Obama will probably get 5.

Mitt Romney’s comments on the 47 percent of Americans who make too little to pay income tax and “will vote for this president no matter what” are causing him some political problems this morning. But could they cause him any electoral problems? Is he really insulting anyone who would already be willing to vote for him?

Actually, yes. The Tax Foundation put out this helpful map of the states with the highest and lowest percentage of people who don’t file income tax returns. The biggest non-filing states are — except Florida and New Mexico — solid red states:

Source: Tax Foundation

 

Three of the states with the lowest number of non-filers are solidly conservative: Alaska, North Dakota and Wyoming. Two, New Hampshire and Virginia, are swing states. All the rest are solidly Democratic, including half of New England. All told, Obama gets 50 electoral votes from the “maker” states to Romney’s 9 — 17 are tossups — while Romney gets 96 electoral votes from the “taker” states to Obama’s 5, with 29 as tossups.

Now, granted, many of the non-filers in red states vote Democratic. As Columbia’s Andrew Gelman and others have shown, those making less are likelier to vote Democratic regardless of whether they live in a red or blue state. But in terms of the electoral college, many of the states Romney is taking for granted, and some of the states he’s working hardest to win, have the highest populations of “takers” he derided as part of the Democrats’ base.

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Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Sep. 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Crickets...

Facts hurt.

nanaofsix531
by Platinum Member on Sep. 18, 2012 at 1:21 PM

LOL I know.These are the people who are going to get hurt the worst if they vote for robme and yet they will still vote for him.I don't think they have ever known the facts.They just vote what they are told.

Quoting Sisteract:

Crickets...

Facts hurt.


mustbeGRACE
by Silver Member on Sep. 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM
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How many from "moocher" people?

All da moochers gonna vote Obama.

Foodstamps, WIC, Unearned income credit etc.,.

broncfan
by Silver Member on Sep. 18, 2012 at 3:52 PM
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I live in a moocher state, the problem for Obama is, the moochers here will not get out and vote heck, they do not register.  They simply stay home and let other people do it for them.....again.

And...there is a huge difference between moochers and those in REAL need.  Sadly the moochers fix it so the real need people can not get enough. 

I think we need a different president but I think we need reform more than anything.

nanaofsix531
by Platinum Member on Sep. 18, 2012 at 3:53 PM
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Ask the people from the red republican states.They are the ones doing all the mooching.They are the ones getting most of the food stamps,WIC and unearned income credit.Not the blue state people.

Quoting mustbeGRACE:

How many from "moocher" people?

All da moochers gonna vote Obama.

Foodstamps, WIC, Unearned income credit etc.,.


mustbeGRACE
by Silver Member on Sep. 18, 2012 at 4:37 PM
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This article from USA Today compiled data showing which states had the highest per capita expenditures for every type of government-provided benefit and blue states top the list and red states made up most of the bottom 10.
New Yorkers lead pack in government benefits - USATODAY.com

Top 10 - Most dependent on government aid
1 New York
2 West Virginia
3 Rhode Island
4 Maine
5 Pennsylvania
6 Massachusetts
7 Vermont
8 Kentucky
9 Michigan


Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/1265347-will-end-red-state-welfare-argument.html#ixzz26wzZNilU

mustbeGRACE
by Silver Member on Sep. 18, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Bottom 10 - Least dependent on government aid
41 South Dakota
42 Nebraska
43 Wyoming
44 Idaho
45 Georgia
46 Texas
47 Nevada
48 Virginia
49 Colorado
50 Utah

For the most part, the difference between the states in the middle (11-40) isn't a huge margin, but it does illustrate that on a per-capita basis, people who live in blue states are just as likely to depend on the government than those in red states.


Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/1265347-will-end-red-state-welfare-argument.html#ixzz26x00WF5J
Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Sep. 18, 2012 at 5:09 PM


FWIW, the republican red poverty swath across the south is  indicative of real problems- social and otherwise (isn't that the BB?)? Is it poor education? slow  Why that connected swath? How come all the Bible belting and church going is not moving people to make different decisions? Better fiscal and educational decisions? Where are all those charity donations going, if the BB has more poverty and is receiving more government dollars than the rest of the country? Are people over estimating their charitable donations? Don't most churchy folks donate to their religious institutions first?

It makes no sense-


Of course we need reform but do you really believe in our current $y$tem of campaign money for favor$, we'll ever get true reform and a republic that represents all people and not the $elect few?

Quoting broncfan:

I live in a moocher state, the problem for Obama is, the moochers here will not get out and vote heck, they do not register.  They simply stay home and let other people do it for them.....again.

And...there is a huge difference between moochers and those in REAL need.  Sadly the moochers fix it so the real need people can not get enough. 

I think we need a different president but I think we need reform more than anything.



Separation of church and state is for the protection of BOTH church and state.
Leading with hate and intolerance only leads to MORE hate and intolerance.
broncfan
by Silver Member on Sep. 18, 2012 at 5:22 PM


Quoting Sisteract:


FWIW, the republican red poverty swath across the south is  indicative of real problems- social and otherwise (isn't that the BB?)? Is it poor education? slow  Why that connected swath? How come all the Bible belting and church going is not moving people to make different decisions? Better fiscal and educational decisions? Where are all those charity donations going, if the BB has more poverty and is receiving more government dollars than the rest of the country? Are people over estimating their charitable donations? Don't most churchy folks donate to their religious institutions first?

It makes no sense-

 

Of course we need reform but do you really believe in our current $y$tem of campaign money for favor$, we'll ever get true reform and a republic that represents all people and not the $elect few?

Quoting broncfan:

I live in a moocher state, the problem for Obama is, the moochers here will not get out and vote heck, they do not register.  They simply stay home and let other people do it for them.....again.

And...there is a huge difference between moochers and those in REAL need.  Sadly the moochers fix it so the real need people can not get enough. 

I think we need a different president but I think we need reform more than anything.



I live in the Bible Belt and yes education is one of the biggest factors.  There is a "mind set" of people in the south that they are "stuck", really I think that is one of the biggest problems.  We do give to charity, but all the giving in the world would not help, in some circumstances.  We offer food pantries, clothing closets, more angel and giving trees at the holidays than you could dream up.  We do turkey baskets at T'giving with food enough for 6 to last 4 weeks.  Another one at Christmas, then Easter comes the Ham basket.  Every church I know of has a Good Samaritan purse that distributes cash for utilities or transportation needs. The dollar amount given is huge, the goods given are even bigger.  We as a ER staff of 93 people gathered and donated 8700 can goods this summer because the soup kitchen was running on empty, this did not come from our patients but from us and our friends and families. I can not think of a time that we did not have some charity fundraiser going on at work, if you want to lead one, you must be put on a calendar, the needs are great here. We keep a closet at the hospital of diapers/wipes and baby/children clothes to send home because we hear how there are no diapers and no shoes.

But as great as our needs are, the abuse of the system is almost as big.  I will not get into the stories of system abuse I see every night, it would only fuel the flames, but I promise you it is there. 

Reform, reform, reform of our education system and welfare system.  It will take money for sure but it will benefit us all in the long run.

LIMom1105
by on Sep. 18, 2012 at 7:07 PM
You know, I have the feeling most will not see themselves as the takers, and will blame this all on the poor inner city welfare queens (who are probably all black in their minds).
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