The vision of America we grew up in and believe in is one where we make it if we work hard. The vision of America Obama preaches is one where you can only make it with government. Obama doesn't think much of people, does he?
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That is what I have a problem with, as well. If it is needed, more power to those that need it. For my stepson's mother, sister, and grandmother, it is a family business. And the little 6 year old niece will be following soon. I have been raising my stepson since he was 6. Before we took custody, he was being raised on welfare. And still has that mentality - even though he has been living with us for 10 years. And we teach our kids that if you want, you work.
Quoting Jambo4:Sorry to jump in here and interrupt your back and forth... I'd say my issue.. and probably ,many others isn't an "abject hatred" of anyone using government aid. It's like the example you used below.
For some people it's a way of life, a way to make a living. It's perhaps a learned behavior from their mom.. that is what I take issues with. I think aid is an absolute wonderful thing! Times are hard and every once in a while a person needs a little help.. but it needs to be limited. I know that people need to reapply each year but why try to better yourself if it's so much easier to just fill out a form?
Quoting Kate_Momof3:Given the tone and abject hatred some seem to have toward anyone using goverment aid, I wonder if they're just pissed off that it's cutting into their handout. Now that we're in a state of serious unemployment and an increase in food stamp usage, you have to wonder if a lot of the hate comes from just not wanting to share their entitlements.
And this whole "people don't want to work" crap is getting old. I fully admit that I live a rather insular life, but I don't know of anyone who doesn't want to work.
Totally random side note: the first person I ever met who was on food stamps was Steve Forbes god daughter. She was a fat slop who thought it was great that rather than get a job she could pan handle and live off food stamps. No doubt there are others like her.
I am also disabled, and it is a big disappointment after having good jobs in the past. It doesn't seem fair that I've had nice things in the past and lost most of them, but I can't really put blame anywhere. I've been through losing my home, job, etc. Life is sometimes beyond crappy. Because of my disability, I now have less than most of my family and friends. I too struggle everyday just trying to make it, so I know what you mean. It just seems so unfair that I can't have what others have.
I have always been against outsourcing jobs, and that has been going on for a very long time. I think that is one of the biggest things that has hurt all of us, in more ways than one. And every big business does outsourcing, and even small business buy products made in other countries, which amounts to the same thing.
I don't have any answers, but just saying people today should not all expect to be equal in everything, and to accept the fact that success in life is not all about how much we've accumulated. It is like where everyone gets a trophy just for participating. But real life is not like that.
Quoting Friday:
Quoting Lacey14:That's because success didn't mean two cars, a boat, and a house the size of a shopping mall. Success, was waking up each day, with a job and family, a moderate home and security. The only reason people are so unhappy today, is because they aren't happy unless the have it ALL. Since the beginning of this country, people have struggled to make a life and be happy. Most will never be happy, because they are never satisfied and don't want to go the distance. Success rarely comes over night and isn't just outside the door waiting for you to answer. It is years and years of working and if you make it until the kids are grown and you can retire, then you've succeeded
Quoting Friday:
Quoting 7SportsMom7:
Oh it is. We just have too many people fighting right now to take that freedom away and replace it with being controlled by the government. Success is personal and comes from within - when everything is handed to you "to be fair" personal satisfaction is lost.
Quoting paknari:
If only america really was about if you work hard you will succeed....
It used to be, at my last job I did very well by learning the product,working my butt off and giving good customer service. Not so much anymore. Of course I was laid off when my job was outsourced. Dh's previous job he worked his ass off for 3 years, learning a whole new industry and never got one raise, only to be laid off. His current job just gave him his review where he earned 'exceeds expectations' in every area to get a $.09 raise and guaranteed less than 30 hours a week so they don't have to give him benefits. Record corp profits while wages are stagnant, if you can even get a job.
I can't remember which one but there was something about a big company that made huge money, gave the execs bonuses and has a wage freeze for all regular employees.
Is there a reason you feel the need to talk down to me? I'm not some kid, I know that material things don't equal success and my mother taught me the value of hard work and sacrifice. I'm disabled and would work if I could. Worked hard and did well all my life until I couldn't. Dh works hard as well and for the last 10 years it's gotten him nowhere except exhausted, broke and laid off.
I'd be thrilled if would could make the payments on our modest home, keep up the utilities, eat, put clothes on our kids, keep our 15 & 25 yr old vehicles in good running shape and maybe take a family road trip every couple of years. Unfortunately we haven't been able to do that since I became disabled. I spend half my day looking for better jobs for dh while he either works at his job or at home trying to make extra money.
It's not like it used to be, automation and a global economy have changed the work force. One would have to be blind not to see it.
Yes there are many who are caught up in 'things' but we aren't those people. I just want to live w/o constant stress over keeping the lights on and clothing or feeding my kids.
Great long sentence! I do that too... :)
I think the psychologist's information was neutral. He was explaining what happens to a boy who grows up without his father. He discusses how many children whose fathers were killed in the war - were very much a positive role model in the family, because of that photo on the mantle, and Mom telling the kids about Dad. But it's a different situation when a father abandons his son. Usually the son hates the father, and doesn't want to be anything like him. But Obama's situation was different. His mother clearly always admired his father, and told her son many wonderful things about him. Which made him a very real presence in Obama's life - even though he met him only as a baby and when he was 10. His father's perspective had a significant impact on this life and on his worldview. Why else would Obama call his book "Dreams From My Father", if, as he says throughout the book, his father had a big role in his life and in his development of his identity?
I don't recall any longhaired hippies.
Quoting jaxTheMomm:Around minutes 12, 13, to 15 or so as gauged by the minute counter on Youtube, after D'Sousa gives us his life story and reinacts the conversations he had with all the ignorant long haired white hippies, and before he begins making wild suppositions with backups from psychologists who never met Obama and his family about what he imagines Obama's worldview to be.
(longest sentance ever!)
Quoting SallyMJ:Let's go back to your earlier statement, to something to which I forgot to respond:
You said you watched the first 15 minutes of the film, in which you found 5 or 6 inaccurate pieces of information. My recollection of the film (I've seen it 3 times), is that the first 15 minutes are Dinesh D'Souza telling of his background in India and arrival to and assimilation into America, and then some interesting information about how his and Obama's backgrounds and life histories are startingly similar. He also points out that the title of Obama's book is "Dreams FROM My Father", not "Dreams OF My Father", and that this might be a signal that Obama's worldview, his "dream", might be similar to that of his biological father.
Where in this do you find 5 or 6 pieces of inaccurate information?
Quoting jaxTheMomm:What facts do you feel were presented, upon which the ultimate conclusion of the movie can be supported?
(does that read weird? What facts were presented that support the ultimate conclusion of the filmmaker?)
Quoting SallyMJ:So you consider Obama's own book, "Dreams From My Father " to be propaganda? This is the source of much of the information in the film.
Do you consider people who know Obama and his family, who like him, to be giving propaganda?
The film is based on facts that can be vetted. Instead of calling it propaganda, why don't you just say you disagree with the conclusion of the movie, and then come up with your own theory to explain those facts?
Quoting jaxTheMomm:Of course I have. I take it you prefer propoganda.
I've also wasted precious time of my life watching the first 15 minutes of D'Souza's redicuous smear job, and identified 5 or 6 innacurate pieces of information within those first 15 minutes.
Hey, you like being lied to, fine. Don't expect me to.
Quoting SallyMJ:I take it you have not read Obama's book "Dreams From My Father".
Quoting jaxTheMomm:No, I will not be watching any propoganda being spoon fed by Dinesh D'Souza. It's not true. "We" aren't finding that out; you are simply buying into one man's suppositions.
He doesn't "hold" to CRT, nor is that really what CRT actually is. He's not a socialist, not a marxist, and doesn't want to confiscate the money of the top 1%.
Good gravy.
Quoting SallyMJ:It's true - We now know why the media didn't vet Obama in 2008 - because if we had known his true views, we would never have elected him.
So we are finding out bit by bit, that Obama is not a true liberal, not a true Democrat. His political views (eg, "spread the wealth around", the 99% should confiscate the money of the 1%, his support of the Occupy Movement) are more in line with the Socialism and Marxism he learned from his mother, his biological father, his adoptive father, his grandfather, his mentor in Hawaii, and his undergrad and grad years in college when he says he sought out radical activist fellow students and "Marxist professors" ("Dreams from My Father"). Obama also holds to Derrick Bell's Critical Race Theory (CRT), which believes minorities need to fight the "white supremacy" in America despite Civil Rights, to the extent that the government should treat people differently according to the color of their skin, with minorities being treated better, and whites trampled down.
See "Dreams From My Father", Obama's own biography, "Obama's America" by Dinesh D'Souza, and the "2016" movie. A helpful place to learn about Critical Race Theory is a Youtube clip where Joel Pollak tries to talk about it, and Soledad O'Brien keeps interrupting him, as her producers feed info into her earpiece.
Kate- If you read the original source material, it refers to "white supremacy". Later descriptions state "white privilege". That's the reality. Sorry.
Quoting Kate_Momof3:You clearly have ZERO clue as to what CRT is and how it is applied. There's a big difference between "white supremacy" and white priviledge. Don't worry, you enjoy the latter without nary a thought. You've been scared into believing things that simply are not true nor are they based in any kind of thought or reality.
It would be nice if, for once, people actually read the primary source material (as opposed to excerpts) and the subsequent studies done as a result as opposed to divisive hate mongers. It's honestly what is killing this country. Forget socialism: denial in the face of facts is what is going to take us down.
Quoting SallyMJ:It's true - We now know why the media didn't vet Obama in 2008 - because if we had known his true views, we would never have elected him.
So we are finding out bit by bit, that Obama is not a true liberal, not a true Democrat. His political views (eg, "spread the wealth around", the 99% should confiscate the money of the 1%, his support of the Occupy Movement) are more in line with the Socialism and Marxism he learned from his mother, his biological father, his adoptive father, his grandfather, his mentor in Hawaii, and his undergrad and grad years in college when he says he sought out radical activist fellow students and "Marxist professors" ("Dreams from My Father"). Obama also holds to Derrick Bell's Critical Race Theory (CRT), which believes minorities need to fight the "white supremacy" in America despite Civil Rights, to the extent that the government should treat people differently according to the color of their skin, with minorities being treated better, and whites trampled down.
See "Dreams From My Father", Obama's own biography, "Obama's America" by Dinesh D'Souza, and the "2016" movie. A helpful place to learn about Critical Race Theory is a Youtube clip where Joel Pollak tries to talk about it, and Soledad O'Brien keeps interrupting him, as her producers feed info into her earpiece.
I'll never vote for him...ever, ever, ever!
Quoting Redwall:I'll never vote for him...ever, ever, ever!
same here
Think of the little ones... Americans can't bear another 4 years of Obama!
Speak out, all Mama Bears on behalf of our children!
Judge refuses to stop Arizona from denying driver's licenses to immigrants
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on Sep. 22, 2012 at 11:19 AM