Ryan :"Preventing GAY PPL from Marrying IS a Universal Value....

[witch_e_woman]

 http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/09/25/906051/ryan-preventing-gay-people-from-marrying-is-a-universal-human-value/?mobile=nc

What are your thoughts on this Article/Video ?

[GardenerArtist]

gays getting married does not affect my marriage one iota.

[Meadowchik]

As I said in PPs,

"there are families who would still be excluded from the bundle of rights provided by marriage even if ssm is legalised.

An example is platonic household partners  Why should platonic people only have access to those rights if they agree to something that has implicitly and explicitly, in legal and cultural terms, a sexual relationship?   Just because some people are willing to do that, doesn't mean we should expect everyone else with a similar relationship to be dishonest.

Then there are platonic, close-blood relatives. Legalising same-sex marriage does not solve that, they are still excluded.  I have a large family.  If my two sisters decided to live together in a committed, joint household, they are not each others' first next of kin like married spouses are.  They do not have access to the same rights as married people.  And they wouldn't want to be called 'married,' either.  That does not mean that they should be excluded from that bundle of rights."

So to be just as fair to the above types of familial relationships, we have to make the same bundle of rights apply to all of these types of relationships, and also eliminate any legally implication that the contract represents a sexual relationship.  

Thus, what we would have is a legal contract that pays no regard to sexuality or sex, which is open to any two legally consenting adults.  That means "marriage" is no longer marriage as we know; it's been deconstructed and replaced by something else.  This is what "destroying the sanctity of marriage" literally means. 

Quoting PamR:

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So you think it is fair to allow same-sex couples to marry, while still excluding other people from the bundle of rights included with marriage? 

What other people?

[PamR]

Are platonic household partners or close-blood relatives trying to gain a bundle of rights?  The difference is that there is no romantic loving relationship in those situations, as there is in heterosexual and homosexual marriage.  There is no desire to be recognized as a couple, a family, to bring children up together, to have rights of inheritence, to have the same rights that straight couples in a committed relationship are given. 

I'm sorry you can't see the difference between platonic roommates and a couple of are in a committed, loving relationship.  It isn't even remotely the same.  Gay marriage is not going to do a damn thing to traditional marriage.  It just isn't.  All it's going to do is allow couples to have a legal family with all the rights and protections that are included.  As far as I can tell, that is a win for everyone.

[BBFnttc]

Absolutely not a 'value', if you can call it that, of mine. And reason number 239574 why I will NOT be voting for the Romney/Ryan ticket.