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Romney's Plan to Create 12 Million New Jobs

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Jobs Plan Introduction

Mitt Romney’s Plan for a Stronger Middle Class is a five-part proposal for turning around the economy and delivering more jobs and more take-home pay for American families. While President Obama continues looking to big government spending programs as the solution to the nation’s challenges, Mitt understands that it is hardworking Americans in the private sector who will achieve economic growth and job creation. His plan will end the middle class squeeze of declining incomes and rising prices, bring back prosperity, and create 12 million jobs during his first term.

Part one of Mitt’s plan is to achieve energy independence on this continent by 2020. America is blessed with extraordinary natural resources, and developing them will create millions of good jobs – not only in the energy industry, but also in industries like manufacturing that will benefit from more energy at lower prices. America’s economy will boom when the billions of dollars we send overseas for our oil are kept here at home instead.

Part two of the plan is trade that works for America. Mitt believes that trade can offer enormous opportunities for American businesses and workers, but only if they are given a level playing field on which they can compete and win. That is why he will work to open new markets for American goods and services, while also confronting nations like China that cheat on trade and steal American jobs.

Part three is to provide Americans with the skills to succeed through better public schools, better access to higher education, and better retraining programs that help to match unemployed workers with real-world job opportunities.

Part four is to cut the deficit, reducing the size of government and getting the national debt under control so that America remains a place where businesses want to open up shop and hire.

Finally, part five of Mitt’s plan is to champion small business. Small businesses are the engine of job creation in this country, but they will struggle to succeed if taxes and regulations are too burdensome or if a government in Washington does its best to stifle them. Mitt will pursue comprehensive tax reform that lowers tax rates for all Americans, and he will cut back on the red tape that drives up costs and discourages hiring.

This election presents a clear choice, and an important one: Will America once again be the best place in the world to start a business, hire a worker, or find a job? Or will it continue down the path that President Obama’s borrowing and taxing and spending has led? America is still waiting for its economic recovery and, as president, Mitt Romney will deliver it.

by on Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:29 PM
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blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Oct. 8, 2012 at 5:03 AM
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Quoting Della529:

 This is the epitome of a flip-flopper...

Barack Obama flip-flops....

  • Voted against increasing the debt limit; then supported raising it.
  • Campaigned against the Bush tax cuts; then extended all of them.
  • Promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term; then proposed trillion dollar deficits.
  • Vowed the unemployment rate would be below 8% if his stimulus was passed; but then it broke 10%.
  • Promised shovel ready jobs; then admitted they weren’t shovel ready.
  • Said if you like your health plan you can keep it; but then threw seniors off Medicare Plus and employers are now saying they’ll dump people onto the public exchange.
  • Promised to have health care negotiations on live TV, but then reversed himself.
  • Indicated Bush violated the Constitution; then carried out warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detentions, secret renditions, quadrupled drone attacks, and kept Guantanamo Bay open. Voted against the Patriot Act, but then supported its extension.
  • Said lobbyists wouldn’t work in the White House; then gave them waivers to work there.
  • Vowed to take public financing for his 2008 campaign; then refused public financing when he realized he would receive more money without it.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/republican-security-council/the-top-10-obama-flip-flops-by-ari-fleischer/171275079638338

Obama's Crony Capitalist Flip Flop With the Democratic National Convention

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattkibbe/2012/08/27/obamas-crony-capitalist-flip-flop-with-the-democratic-national-convention/

blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Oct. 8, 2012 at 5:18 AM
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Quoting Della529:

 

Quoting Xlandria:

 

Quoting Sisteract:

MR talked about closing loopholes. Of course he did not disclose which loopholes or for whom.

What does that mean?

What are loopholes?

If you eliminate loopholes what does that do for personal income taxes rates?

Quoting Lisa1273:

You obviously didn't watch the debate?!?  Either that or you twisted his words on purpose.

blank stare

Quoting Sisteract:

Romney's plan will raise taxes- and he will not screw with China. He is not that naive and dense.

Fantasyland thinking-

 


I would imagine that it is fairly impossible to know exactly which loopholes need closing without being able to look at each one. BTW - Loopholes are the things that some people & business use, usually unfairly to lower their tax liability. Sort of like George Kaiser whose corporation didn't pay any taxes for 10 years and the time he did, managed to claim wages that worked out to about $5.50 an hour. Or G.E., who despite record profits in 2010 paid zero taxes as well and who may have been working a deal to purchase products from China. Romney closed loopholes as Governor and turned MA around. Personal income tax rates shouldn't be affected unless someone is making bogus deductions, that's tax evasion or fraud. What is going to be devastating to personal income taxes is the 'taxes' we will be assessed for Obamacare as well as ending the Bush tax cuts. To put it simply, we'll all be screwed and I don't think Obama gives a rat's ass about us 'little people'. He seems to gloat in the fact most families will be facing an additional $4.000 or so in yearly taxes.

Also, how many people heard Obama, on at least 2 or 3 occasions during the debate, refer to Obamacare as a "Law"? Is that what we're calling it now? 

 He did?  Really?!'

 

 

 

  • Tax Loopholes


    -Some have claimed that closing tax loopholes, as Romney did in Massachusetts, is the same as raising taxes. However, as Ronald Reagan has explained, lower tax rates are good but applying tax rates evenly - without loopholes - is also good.

    Reagan: "Tax loopholes have been closed, making the tax structure more equitable." (Budget Proposal to Congress, January 31, 1983)

    Reagan: "Tax loopholes have been closed, improving the equity of the system." (Feb. 4, 1985)

    Reagan Q&A:

    Question: "But in addition to that, you're also talking about loopholes, tax breaks, whatever you want to call it.

    Reagan's Answer: "I hesitate, I won't answer that now, as to what all will be in the study. We are, as I said before, in our present proposal, we are changing some that we believe, while they were undoubtedly well-intentioned, they have led to some taking an, getting an advantage that is denied to others. Where that is true, then that should be corrected, whether you have a deficit or have a tax reform or not." (March 28, 1984)

    As Reagan understood, level competition ensures maximum value for the consumer. The laws as originally written did not intend for the tax "breaks" in question to be legal. They were oversights. So closing the loopholes does not have the effect of raising taxes but has the effect of applying tax rates evenly, which is a fundamental principle of conservative capitalism. If one business is paying less in taxes because of a loophole, the state is giving them an unfair advantage over their competitors. Because of this unfair advantage they do not need to offer as high of a quality of product or service in order to compete, which means the state is interfering in free market competition, and capitalism suffers. Romney repeatedly proposed tax cuts in MA, however the legislature wouldn't go along with the larger ones.
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  • Tax Burden in Massachusetts


    -They claim the total tax burden in MA went up under Romney. This falsely implies that Romney raised taxes. In truth, Romney repeatedly proposed tax cuts, which were shot down by the Democratic MA legislature, starting as soon as he began to turn around the economy, prompting the liberal Boston Globe to complain after Romney's first year in office, "The first signs of life appear in the Massachusetts economy and the governor calls for a $225 million tax cut."(10) Some communities in MA chose to raise property taxes at the local level which Romney had no control over (7).

    Some critics claim that Romney's cuts in state spending forced local communities to raise their taxes, but the fact is they were under no obligation to raise taxes. Romney also closed loopholes in existing tax law, allowing the state to collect taxes from those who had been using schemes to reduce income reported on state tax returns
    (8).

    Some critics falsely assert that Romney raised capital gains tax rates. In truth, the tax increase was enacted before Romney was elected governor but took effect during Romney's term after having been tied up in court for several years
    (9). Critics are unable to point to any tax increases from Romney, and Romney fought for tax cuts and did get some tax cuts enacted.
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  • Fees


    -Some people believe Romney's increases in fees are identical to taxes. On the contrary, Romney saved millions of tax dollars by ending the taxpayer subsidizing of fees. A fee covers the cost for a special good or service provided to an individual by the government; when a fee is not high enough to cover the cost of the service provided, taxpayers end up subsidizing. Romney shifted the burden from the community onto the individual who benefits from the service provided.

    Every state raises fees to keep up with the cost of service. Texas Governor Rick Perry, for instance, has accurately stated that he has not raised taxes. He has however
    raised fees by several billion dollars. In MA, some fees had not been raised in a very long time.

    Ronald Reagan was an outspoken proponent of fees. For instance, here is one of Reagan's many statements: "The third component of the deficit reduction program involves user fees, or more appropriately, the recovery of costs borne by the taxpayers generally, but that predominantly benefit a limited group of businesses, communities or individuals ... it is simply inexcusable and intolerable that yacht owners escape without paying even a small part of the Coast Guard services; or that commercial and general aviation are not paying the cost of the air traffic control system that ensures their safety; or that ship and barge operators do not pay a fair share of the costs of waterways maintained by the Federal Government. Our user fee package corrects these and similar shortcomings in current budget policy and will contribute significantly toward reducing the deficit" (February 8, 1982).

    Some specific fee-related concerns people have expressed are addressed as follows:

    Fuel fee. Romney updated an already existing per-gallon gasoline fee to offset state costs in managing underground fuel storage leaks. At the time, Romney faced a backlog of cleanup claims for the underfunded state program. It is true that in the years since this increase, the fee has generated more revenue than Romney had anticipated. The initial costs, caused by the backlog of claims, were not representative of future costs, due to improved storage tank quality. So that was a mistake, however I think the important thing is that Romney did not spend the surplus but tried to return it to the people. Romney turned a 3 Billion dollar budget deficit crisis into a surplus. He put the surplus in a rainy day fund and tried to give back to the taxpayers most of the 240 million which he estimated had been raised by fees, starting as soon as he began to turn around the economy, prompting the liberal Boston Globe to complain after Romney's first year in office, "The first signs of life appear in the Massachusetts economy and the governor calls for a $225 million tax cut" ("Romney's Real Agenda" The Boston Globe 11 May 2004).

    Parking fee at state parks. The taxpayer was paying for the parking space. One parking space costs over 20,000 dollars, not including upkeep, re-pavement, snow removal, security etc. Facing a budget crisis, Romney realized the state could no longer subsidize public leisure. To provide the service, the cost shifted from the taxpayer to the individual who chooses to use the service.

    Gun permits. First, when Romney did his update it only raised the fee to $75. The legislature later brought it to $100, which Romney partially compensated for by ordering that people not be charged for replacing of lost or stolen permits, and signing a law allowing permits to expire after 6 years instead of 3. The reason for the fee increase was the MA gun control act of 1998 which declared that the licensing authority is only allowed to keep half of the fee, and the rest goes into a new record-keeping fund. The act also institutes a number of other changes which raise overhead and impacted costs. The people are ultimately responsible for this new fund and all the new regulations and overhead, since they elected their representatives. Thus, the people collectively chose the cost of providing the service, before Romney was Governor. Inflation was also relevant, but unlike most of the fees Romney updated, inflation was only a secondary factor for the increased gun permit costs.
  • http://www.whyromney.com/

    bellawomen
    by Bronze Member on Oct. 8, 2012 at 5:27 AM
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    Part 1 will happen without Romney and he has no hand in it.

    Part 2 is fantasy island

    Part 3 is a lie. He wants to stop loans for college and cut grants. He will not help people have access to higher education.

    Part 4 ...I need more specific details. "Cut cut cut" isn't enough. Taxes nee to go back to pre-recession rates.

    Part 5 - see part 4
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    Carpy
    by Platinum Member on Oct. 8, 2012 at 6:53 AM
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    That's your opinion and an opinion less and less are sharing with you.

    Quoting Sisteract:

    And he's still better than what the GOP has to offer this go around.

    Sad, isn't it-

    Sad for this country.

    Sad 2 party, corrupt system.

    Quoting blondekosmic15:

     

    Quoting azaz:

     

    In his acceptance speech for the Republican presidential nomination, former governor Mitt Romney focused more on his biography than his policy positions. But there were moments when his facts went awry or were missing important context.

    Let’s take a tour through the rhetoric.


    “And unlike the president, I have a plan to create 12 million new jobs.”

    This sounds like a pretty bold statement, especially considering that only two presidents — Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton — created more than 12 million jobs. Romney, in fact, says he can reach this same goal, in just four years, though the policy paper issued by his campaign contains few details. It is mostly a collection of policy assertions, such as reducing debt, overhauling the tax code, fostering free trade and so forth.


    But, in fact, the number is even less impressive than it sounds. This pledge amounts to an average of 250,000 jobs a month, a far cry from the 500,000 jobs a month that Romney once claimed would be created in a “normal recovery.” In recent months, the economy has averaged about 150,000 jobs a month.

    The Congressional Budget Office is required to consider the effects of the so-called “fiscal cliff” if a year-end budget deal is not reached, which many experts believe would push the country into a recession. But even with that caveat, the nonpartisan agency assumes 9.06 million jobs will be created between 2013 and 2017. (This is a revision downward; CBO had estimated 11 million in January.)


    Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov’t Data

    In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal debt held by the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan.

    http://cnsnews.com/node/72404

    Obama Shatters Spending Record for First-Year Presidents

    obama_wh_112409.jpg

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/24/obama-shatters-spending-record-year-presidents/

    National Debt Clock clock

    http://www.usdebtclock.org/



    Kate_Momof3
    by Platinum Member on Oct. 8, 2012 at 7:22 AM

    And that's your opinion. I don't agree. 

    Around here, in a part of the country where you don't live, there is a lot of support for local candidates and Obama, very little for Romney. The Republicans went on some sort lawn sign binge a few weeks ago. The only signs standing are for local candidates; very few Romney signs. 

    I like our local Republicans, frankly. They tend to be the elusive kind of Republican; more about fiscal responsibility than ideology. And sometimes...sometimes their policies do things like environmental stewardship because they actually understand and appreciate value isn't just about money. Too bad they're such a rare breed these days.

    Quoting Carpy:

    That's your opinion and an opinion less and less are sharing with you.

    Quoting Sisteract:

    And he's still better than what the GOP has to offer this go around.

    Sad, isn't it-

    Sad for this country.

    Sad 2 party, corrupt system.


    azaz
    by on Oct. 9, 2012 at 12:45 AM

     

    Well guess what Lacey14?  The mire fact that there are extra seasonal and part-time jobs is a plus, and let me mention the fact that the people who have taken these job are able to spend the money that they make on bills, food and grocery ect…  from these jobs is helping to recirculate the dollar and build our economy.  Besides Business don't just magically happen to have the money to be able to hire people, they earn it from the people who have jobs and pay for their good and services with their hard earned money.   When building a better economy it takes the whole village, and not only is our President responsible for the success of our jobs and the economy growing,  but, so are the people who stepped forward and took these part-time jobs! At least these people took action, instead of setting around complaining and  doing nothing but pointing fingers. Our entire nation as a whole is responsible for building our economy, even down to the part- time job workers.  For ever dollar that they earn,  and recycled back into our economy  including  rent,  utilities,  buying grocery ect… whether bare minimum or not,  are dollar bills that are recirculating back into are economy.  This will allow us   to have a stronger economy that will open more doors for full time positions and new job openings and new business. As long as those Venture capitalist don't come in and close all the business like Mitt Romney.  Lacy14 your augment is that the part-time jobs are not much of a living, well then it is time to get off your ass go back to school, sign up for job training  or apply for a full time job or part-time job with training or create your own business, do something instead of trying to find an excuse for why you won’t vote for President Obama.  

    Quoting Lacey14:

    Azaz, these part time, seasonal jobs really have very little, or nothing to do with Obama's success.  They are merely stores and business hiring temporary help to cover the extra store hours and volume of people Christmas shopping.  It happens at this time every year.  No way can Obama take credit for this.  These jobs are nearly always minimum wage and around 20 hours per week.  Not much of a living.  These employees aren't likely to be spending their hard earned money on anything but bare neccessities like food, housing and utilities.  

    Quoting azaz:

     The seasonal jobs are offering experience that some of these people can take and use to obtain a new job. Besides would it be any different if a company laid off people, that they have hired. Basically Brandy, when people have jobs, they have incomes, in which they will take their earnings and help rejuvenate our economy. Obama can not promise that you keep your job, he can only offer increntives  to help the economy stimulate growth .

    Quoting brandydesiree:

    I'm not denying any of that...however, most of those seasonal jobs will end. The average percentage of seasonal employees that turn permanate is around 10%.

    Also, employment rates don't take into account people who are not working and do not receive unemployment. For instance, me. I recently moved to a new state for because my husband got a job transfer, forcing me to leave mine. I do not get unemployment, I do my own job searches without the help of an agency. I am not counted in the unemployment rate.

    The actual % of unemployed, but employable, is somewhere in the 20% range. Think of SAHM's. These women are employable. Some of them chose to stay home, but some are forced to do so, because getting a job would cost them more than they bring home when childcare is involved. None if those are counted.

    I am very happy that some people are getting relief from these part-time jobs. I just don't think it shows we are coming out of this economic mess because of those jobs.


    Quoting azaz:

     The fact are Bradydesire! Obama has also created jobs for people who are trying to get back into the job market. So there are programs that offer on the job training, that may start off part- time and have ended up as full time position. Some of the seasonal jobs are also to help people get back into the work force. The seasonal jobs often have added new skills that perhaps will lead them into a full time postion:)


    Quoting bradydesiree:

    No, you learn some facts. The percentage of unemployed or underemployed is 14.8%. 7.8% if you count PART-TIME jobs...I never said Obama hasn't created any fulltime jobs, I said that the majority of last months boost is from PT seasonal work, that will go away after the holidays...this is the facts.



    Quoting azaz:


     Bogus Brandydesiree! Obama has created full time jobs and part time jobs, under his Administration. Try again with some facts this time please. :) LOL


     

    Lacey14
    by Bronze Member on Oct. 9, 2012 at 3:42 AM
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    1. Yes, no doubt those who have found part time jobs, are very happy right now.

    2. I don't believe the president is responsible for the success of one's job (??)

    3. My a$$ and I are doing just fine as we are, but thanks for the advice.

    4. I don't need to find an excuse for not voting for Obama.  It ain't gonna happen for a whole lot of reasons.

    Quoting azaz:

     

    Well guess what Lacey14?  The mire fact that there are extra seasonal and part-time jobs is a plus, and let me mention the fact that the people who have taken these job are able to spend the money that they make on bills, food and grocery ect…  from these jobs is helping to recirculate the dollar and build our economy.  Besides Business don't just magically happen to have the money to be able to hire people, they earn it from the people who have jobs and pay for their good and services with their hard earned money.   When building a better economy it takes the whole village, and not only is our President responsible for the success of our jobs and the economy growing,  but, so are the people who stepped forward and took these part-time jobs! At least these people took action, instead of setting around complaining and  doing nothing but pointing fingers. Our entire nation as a whole is responsible for building our economy, even down to the part- time job workers.  For ever dollar that they earn,  and recycled back into our economy  including  rent,  utilities,  buying grocery ect… whether bare minimum or not,  are dollar bills that are recirculating back into are economy.  This will allow us   to have a stronger economy that will open more doors for full time positions and new job openings and new business. As long as those Venture capitalist don't come in and close all the business like Mitt Romney.  Lacy14 your augment is that the part-time jobs are not much of a living, well then it is time to get off your ass go back to school, sign up for job training  or apply for a full time job or part-time job with training or create your own business, do something instead of trying to find an excuse for why you won’t vote for President Obama.  

    Quoting Lacey14:

    Azaz, these part time, seasonal jobs really have very little, or nothing to do with Obama's success.  They are merely stores and business hiring temporary help to cover the extra store hours and volume of people Christmas shopping.  It happens at this time every year.  No way can Obama take credit for this.  These jobs are nearly always minimum wage and around 20 hours per week.  Not much of a living.  These employees aren't likely to be spending their hard earned money on anything but bare neccessities like food, housing and utilities.  

    Quoting azaz:

     The seasonal jobs are offering experience that some of these people can take and use to obtain a new job. Besides would it be any different if a company laid off people, that they have hired. Basically Brandy, when people have jobs, they have incomes, in which they will take their earnings and help rejuvenate our economy. Obama can not promise that you keep your job, he can only offer increntives  to help the economy stimulate growth .

    Quoting brandydesiree:

    I'm not denying any of that...however, most of those seasonal jobs will end. The average percentage of seasonal employees that turn permanate is around 10%.

    Also, employment rates don't take into account people who are not working and do not receive unemployment. For instance, me. I recently moved to a new state for because my husband got a job transfer, forcing me to leave mine. I do not get unemployment, I do my own job searches without the help of an agency. I am not counted in the unemployment rate.

    The actual % of unemployed, but employable, is somewhere in the 20% range. Think of SAHM's. These women are employable. Some of them chose to stay home, but some are forced to do so, because getting a job would cost them more than they bring home when childcare is involved. None if those are counted.

    I am very happy that some people are getting relief from these part-time jobs. I just don't think it shows we are coming out of this economic mess because of those jobs.


    Quoting azaz:

     The fact are Bradydesire! Obama has also created jobs for people who are trying to get back into the job market. So there are programs that offer on the job training, that may start off part- time and have ended up as full time position. Some of the seasonal jobs are also to help people get back into the work force. The seasonal jobs often have added new skills that perhaps will lead them into a full time postion:)


    Quoting bradydesiree:

    No, you learn some facts. The percentage of unemployed or underemployed is 14.8%. 7.8% if you count PART-TIME jobs...I never said Obama hasn't created any fulltime jobs, I said that the majority of last months boost is from PT seasonal work, that will go away after the holidays...this is the facts.



    Quoting azaz:


     Bogus Brandydesiree! Obama has created full time jobs and part time jobs, under his Administration. Try again with some facts this time please. :) LOL


     


    Ednarooni160
    by Eds on Oct. 9, 2012 at 4:55 AM
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    I love how supposedly 3rd partiers keep saying they aren't going to vote for Romney and/or Obama..but they sure do PROTECT Obama if someone rags on him and/or have GOOD things to say about him... Yea right!!

    Ednarooni160
    by Eds on Oct. 9, 2012 at 4:55 AM


    Quoting Lacey14:

    1. Yes, no doubt those who have found part time jobs, are very happy right now.

    2. I don't believe the president is responsible for the success of one's job (??)

    3. My a$$ and I are doing just fine as we are, but thanks for the advice.

    4. I don't need to find an excuse for not voting for Obama.  It ain't gonna happen for a whole lot of reasons.

    Quoting azaz:

     

    Well guess what Lacey14?  The mire fact that there are extra seasonal and part-time jobs is a plus, and let me mention the fact that the people who have taken these job are able to spend the money that they make on bills, food and grocery ect…  from these jobs is helping to recirculate the dollar and build our economy.  Besides Business don't just magically happen to have the money to be able to hire people, they earn it from the people who have jobs and pay for their good and services with their hard earned money.   When building a better economy it takes the whole village, and not only is our President responsible for the success of our jobs and the economy growing,  but, so are the people who stepped forward and took these part-time jobs! At least these people took action, instead of setting around complaining and  doing nothing but pointing fingers. Our entire nation as a whole is responsible for building our economy, even down to the part- time job workers.  For ever dollar that they earn,  and recycled back into our economy  including  rent,  utilities,  buying grocery ect… whether bare minimum or not,  are dollar bills that are recirculating back into are economy.  This will allow us   to have a stronger economy that will open more doors for full time positions and new job openings and new business. As long as those Venture capitalist don't come in and close all the business like Mitt Romney.  Lacy14 your augment is that the part-time jobs are not much of a living, well then it is time to get off your ass go back to school, sign up for job training  or apply for a full time job or part-time job with training or create your own business, do something instead of trying to find an excuse for why you won’t vote for President Obama.  

    Quoting Lacey14:

    Azaz, these part time, seasonal jobs really have very little, or nothing to do with Obama's success.  They are merely stores and business hiring temporary help to cover the extra store hours and volume of people Christmas shopping.  It happens at this time every year.  No way can Obama take credit for this.  These jobs are nearly always minimum wage and around 20 hours per week.  Not much of a living.  These employees aren't likely to be spending their hard earned money on anything but bare neccessities like food, housing and utilities.  

    Quoting azaz:

     The seasonal jobs are offering experience that some of these people can take and use to obtain a new job. Besides would it be any different if a company laid off people, that they have hired. Basically Brandy, when people have jobs, they have incomes, in which they will take their earnings and help rejuvenate our economy. Obama can not promise that you keep your job, he can only offer increntives  to help the economy stimulate growth .

    Quoting brandydesiree:

    I'm not denying any of that...however, most of those seasonal jobs will end. The average percentage of seasonal employees that turn permanate is around 10%.

    Also, employment rates don't take into account people who are not working and do not receive unemployment. For instance, me. I recently moved to a new state for because my husband got a job transfer, forcing me to leave mine. I do not get unemployment, I do my own job searches without the help of an agency. I am not counted in the unemployment rate.

    The actual % of unemployed, but employable, is somewhere in the 20% range. Think of SAHM's. These women are employable. Some of them chose to stay home, but some are forced to do so, because getting a job would cost them more than they bring home when childcare is involved. None if those are counted.

    I am very happy that some people are getting relief from these part-time jobs. I just don't think it shows we are coming out of this economic mess because of those jobs.


    Quoting azaz:

     The fact are Bradydesire! Obama has also created jobs for people who are trying to get back into the job market. So there are programs that offer on the job training, that may start off part- time and have ended up as full time position. Some of the seasonal jobs are also to help people get back into the work force. The seasonal jobs often have added new skills that perhaps will lead them into a full time postion:)


    Quoting bradydesiree:

    No, you learn some facts. The percentage of unemployed or underemployed is 14.8%. 7.8% if you count PART-TIME jobs...I never said Obama hasn't created any fulltime jobs, I said that the majority of last months boost is from PT seasonal work, that will go away after the holidays...this is the facts.



    Quoting azaz:


     Bogus Brandydesiree! Obama has created full time jobs and part time jobs, under his Administration. Try again with some facts this time please. :) LOL


     


    AGREE

    Carpy
    by Platinum Member on Oct. 9, 2012 at 7:43 AM

    I'm just going by the polls, not YOUR little part of the country.

    Quoting Kate_Momof3:

    And that's your opinion. I don't agree. 

    Around here, in a part of the country where you don't live, there is a lot of support for local candidates and Obama, very little for Romney. The Republicans went on some sort lawn sign binge a few weeks ago. The only signs standing are for local candidates; very few Romney signs. 

    I like our local Republicans, frankly. They tend to be the elusive kind of Republican; more about fiscal responsibility than ideology. And sometimes...sometimes their policies do things like environmental stewardship because they actually understand and appreciate value isn't just about money. Too bad they're such a rare breed these days.

    Quoting Carpy:

    That's your opinion and an opinion less and less are sharing with you.

    Quoting Sisteract:

    And he's still better than what the GOP has to offer this go around.

    Sad, isn't it-

    Sad for this country.

    Sad 2 party, corrupt system.



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