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Upon Further Review: Mitt Romney May Have Cheated To Win The Debate

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Upon Further Review: Mitt Romney May Have Cheated To Win The Debate


Mitt Romney collects his papers after the debate (Photo credit: JEWEL SAMAD/AFP/GettyImages)

Mitt Romney collects his papers after the debate (Photo credit: JEWEL SAMAD/AFP/GettyImages)

The Buck Starts Here

Over the past day the game tape of the debate has been reviewed. While Mitt Romney still enjoys the afterglow of the debate, the lies and half truths he told are being dissected.

From tax policy to hiring teachers. From cracking down on Wall Street (and Sesame Street) to coverage for the uninsured. From Medicare to shipping jobs overseas the fact checkers have been very busy correcting the record and pointing out falsehoods.

Even Team Romney had to correct the candidate on health care immediately after the debate.

As I predicted earlier this week, Romney had an October Surprise planned for the President – new policy ideas. But I had no idea that Romney would just lie about everything he had said over the past year and a half.

As the President said, Mitt Romney’s bright new idea is: Never Mind!

But there was a moment in the debate that will be discussed in the days ahead that everyone missed until yesterday.

A review of the debate tape reveals that, apparently, Mitt Romney needed a cheat sheet to keep the lies straight.

The rules of the presidential debates are clear about not bringing outside notes and presidents and aspirants have followed the rule for decades.

Video of the first eleven seconds of the debate available on YouTube shows Mitt Romney reaching into his pocket at the moment he is out of view of those in front of him, he used the lectern as a shield, and removing what appears to be folded papers from his pocket.

We see this because the camera that was broadcasting was behind Romney. Those in the audience and the moderator may have been shielded from his sleight of hand, but not the viewers.

Romney then proceeds to unfold the item in front of him.

For those curious if it could have been something else, later video sheds some light on what Romney retrieves from his lectern.

After the Romney and Obama families chat post-debate the President walks off stage, leaving his notes behind for an aide, no doubt.

But not so for Romney. The Presidential challenger goes back to his lectern to retrieve his items. It is clear that the only thing that Romney takes is paper. Not a handkerchief. Not a white flag. Nothing but paper.

So the next question is: what is Mitt Romney’s explanation for the apparent cheating?

by on Oct. 5, 2012 at 3:34 PM
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gsprofval
by Gold Member on Oct. 5, 2012 at 5:11 PM
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From the presidential debates I can remember, the candidates have always been allowed to have notes and to take notes during the debate, so Romney didn't do anything wrong.

Perhaps obama should have used some notes, but that wouldn't matter with his record the past 4 years.

Mommy_of_Riley
by Just Jess on Oct. 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM
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No. The rules have been (since 2000 I do believe) that the candidates can not bring in any notes, graphs, charts, or any other help during debates.

They are allowed to take notes though.


Quoting gsprofval:

From the presidential debates I can remember, the candidates have always been allowed to have notes and to take notes during the debate, so Romney didn't do anything wrong.


Perhaps obama should have used some notes, but that wouldn't matter with his record the past 4 years.

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Jambo4
by Gold Member on Oct. 5, 2012 at 5:30 PM
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yawn... kissy already posted this desperation earlier...

by _Kissy_ Today at 12:59 PM


going crazy

nanaofsix531
by Platinum Member on Oct. 5, 2012 at 5:56 PM

So then why did you bother to read it again? Was it so you  had  something to whine about?

Quoting Jambo4:

yawn... kissy already posted this desperation earlier...

by _Kissy_ Today at 12:59 PM


going crazy


Jambo4
by Gold Member on Oct. 5, 2012 at 6:08 PM
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Just pointing out how PATHETIC some people are. big smile mini

Quoting nanaofsix531:

So then why did you bother to read it again? Was it so you  had  something to whine about?


Quoting Jambo4:

yawn... kissy already posted this desperation earlier...

by _Kissy_ Today at 12:59 PM


going crazy



Think of the little ones... Americans can't bear another 4 years of Obama!
 
Speak out, all Mama Bears on behalf of our children! 

Lisa1273
by Member on Oct. 5, 2012 at 6:16 PM
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What ever makes you guys sleep better at night.  Bottom line is Obama didn't win.  End of story.

gsprofval
by Gold Member on Oct. 5, 2012 at 6:18 PM
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Where did you find this information for the rules. I looked for the rules for this particular debate and nothing was said about having notes.

Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

No. The rules have been (since 2000 I do believe) that the candidates can not bring in any notes, graphs, charts, or any other help during debates.

They are allowed to take notes though.


Quoting gsprofval:

From the presidential debates I can remember, the candidates have always been allowed to have notes and to take notes during the debate, so Romney didn't do anything wrong.


Perhaps obama should have used some notes, but that wouldn't matter with his record the past 4 years.


SKlTTLES
by Member on Oct. 5, 2012 at 6:20 PM
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I think a lot more people in the world would have made a stink if someone "cheated" in a debate. lol I don't think it would be breaking news on cafe mom. Some of you are too bored. 

deepthinker
by Member on Oct. 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM
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Quoting gsprofval:

Your little cartoon there is wrong; conservative states with Republican governors earn MORE money than the states run by lame democrat governors:

 

 PERSONAL INCOME HAS GROWN MORE IN CONSERVATIVE STATES THAN LIBERAL

State personal income has grown more in the past six quarters in "red" states and states run by Republican governors than in "blue" states, a Blaze analysis finds.

Here are the top ten states where income has grown the most since Q1 2011:

TheBlaze Analyzes Data From the Bureau of Economic Analysis, Finds Red States Have Had More Income Growth Over Six Quarters Than Blue States 

"Red" and "Blue" state as defined by electoral-vote.com. All Graphics by TheBlaze.

However, this isn't to say recent news on personal income growth is good. On the contrary, growth has slowed in the last quarter, according to a recent report from the Bureau of Economic Analysis*:

State personal income growth slowed to 1.0 percent in the second quarter of 2012, from 1.7 percent in the first quarter... Growth slowed in 39 states plus the District of Columbia, accelerated in 10, and was unchanged in Nevada.

Personal income growth ranged from 2.1 percent in North Dakota to 0.4 percent in New Mexico. Inflation, as measured by the national price index for personal consumption expenditures, slowed to 0.2 percent in the second quarter from 0.6 percent in the first quarter.

Here are the top ten states where income has grown the least since Q1 2011:

TheBlaze Analyzes Data From the Bureau of Economic Analysis, Finds Red States Have Had More Income Growth Over Six Quarters Than Blue StatesConfused? Here's the difference: despite the recent slowdown, there has been an overall increase in state personal income from QI 2011 to QII 2012 - but mostly in "red" states.

Let's take a step back and define "personal income" before we go any further.

"Personal income is the income received by all persons from all sources. Personal income is the sum of net earnings by place of residence, property income, and personal current transfer receipts," the report explains.

 

It's important to note the BEA data includes all forms of personal income, otherwise reports that correctly show U.S. household median annual incomes have fallen from $53,508 to $50,964 since June 2009 wouldn't make any sense.

"The estimate of personal income in the United States is derived as the sum of the state estimates and the estimate for the District of Columbia," the report adds, "it differs from the estimate of personal income in the national income and product accounts (NIPAs) because of differences in coverage, in the methodologies used to prepare the estimates, and in the timing of the availability of source data."

Also, keep in mind all personal income data is measured before deductions for personal income taxes and other personal taxes.

TheBlaze Analyzes Data From the Bureau of Economic Analysis, Finds Red States Have Had More Income Growth Over Six Quarters Than Blue StatesStates with the most income growth and their governors

So with a better understanding of the BEA's findings on personal income, perhaps we can ask: Why the growth in certain states?

Many of the states that have seen growth in income have energy to thank. North Dakota tops the list because of its oil boom. Likewise, Alaska, Texas, and Oklahoma all have, when compared to other states, healthy economies boosted by the energy industry. And as for the non-energy states that have seen income growth: They have fiscal restraint, business friendly environments, multi-billion dollar companies, and/or sound tax policies to thank.

But what about the top ten states with the least amount of growth? What's their excuse?

TheBlaze Analyzes Data From the Bureau of Economic Analysis, Finds Red States Have Had More Income Growth Over Six Quarters Than Blue StatesStates with the least growth in income and their governors

Some analysts blame weak income growth on overpopulation (as in the case of New York [exceptTexas is more heavily populated]), while others rightly blame the lasting effects of the housing crash (Nevada), but almost all of them should blame the lack of growth on unfriendly business environments (Louisiana, Connecticut, and Nevada [again]).

Final Thought: Considering that, by CNN's estimation, two of the ten states that have had poor income growth are "swing states," how do you think their economic woes will impact the election?

Do you think the people of, say, Nevada, a state with a 12.1 unemployment rate, are ready for someone different in the White House? Or do you think they're willing to give President Obama another shot?

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[*From the report: "Quarter-to-quarter percent changes (growth rates) are calculated from unrounded data and are not annualized (i.e. to reflect the whole year). Quarterly estimates are expressed at seasonally adjusted annual rates, unless otherwise specified. Quarter-to-quarter dollar changes are differences between published estimates."]

Front page photo source courtesy the AP. A earlier version of this story incorrectly included Colorado and New Hampshire on the map of states with the least growth. We have since corrected this.


 

Quoting nanaofsix531:

Oh you mean like the lame brained righties saying the job numbers are being cooked? OK now I get it.

Quoting itsmesteph11:

 sidesplittinglaughterThat's a REAL gut buster.      What a bunch of lame brained lefties.


 

Why am I not surprised this comes from the blaze, LOL.  Economic growth still does not mean they aren't welfare states and have the lowest economic levels and education levels.

gsprofval
by Gold Member on Oct. 5, 2012 at 6:56 PM
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Upon further review, Romney is not the one who cheated:

LATEST DEBATE EXCUSE: ROMNEY CHEATED BY USING SECRET NOTES

Denial is often fingered as one of the first stages of grief, and on some liberal blogs, that appears to be precisely the reaction that is setting in with regard to Mitt Romney's debate performance this past Wednesday night. Having accused Romney of lying because he contradicted Obama administration talking points and attacked moderator Jim Lehrer for letting Romney control the debate, the Left is now claiming that Romney cheated during the debate.

The source of their complaint is a brief moment during the debate where Romney is seen to put his hand in his pocket and pull something out - something that the Daily Kos suspects of being hidden notes.

Mitt Romney Accused of Bringing Cheat Sheet to Debate By Liberal Blogs

Photo Credit: Daily Kos

From the diary posted on Kos's website today:

Mitt takes something out of his pocket and tosses it on the podium.  It seems as if he maybe using his body to try and screen the movement.  It's very fast, the whole thing is over by 0:00:12.

Yes it could be a hanky.  But it falls kind of heavy, and stays uniform in it's fold.  Plus it is flat.  I have never seen a man‘s hanky be so uniform and flat coming from a front pant's pocket.  Back pocket, yes, breast pocket in a jacket, yes.. but not the front pant pocket.

He was also wearing make up and to wipe any sweat from his face with a hanky would have taken off his make up.  Plus remember that old saying "Never let them see you sweat?"  If he was seen to wipe sweat from his brow, the optics would have been very bad ("Obama makes him nervous, he can't stand up to him.")[...]

 

I'm NOT saying it is crib/cheat notes .. but I am saying it's a possibility.
It's also Mitt "I never found a loophole I didn't exploit" Romney, who may have committed a felony on his taxes.

This unfalsifiable theory of malfeasance picked up steam for a little while on other blogs, such asDemocratic Underground and the Daily Beast, before Buzzfeed shot it down - -not only was the object definitely a handkerchief, but there was actual video evidence of Romney using it:

But according to a Romney aide the object was simply a handkerchief, not an illicit list of zingers.

"It's a handkerchief," the aide said simply in response to the post.

Romney can be seen at another moment in the debate using the handkerchief.

Mitt Romney Accused of Bringing Cheat Sheet to Debate By Liberal Blogs

Photo Credit: Weaselzippers

Buzzfeed has labeled this faux-controversy the "conspiracy theory of the day," and it's easy to see why. The obsession over the details of how the handkerchief folded, and which pocket Romney took it from show how thoroughly impossible to debunk it actually is, short of having a debate podium camera that could snap a picture of what Romney put down. However, given the amount of time Romney spent looking directly at President Obama, even when he (Romney) wasn't the one speaking, it's difficult to see how he would have used such a list, and even more dubious that he would have needed such a list.

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