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Romney on '47%': I was 'completely wrong'

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FISHERSVILLE, Va. (AP) -- Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has described his disparaging remarks about the 47% of Americans who don't pay federal income taxes as "not elegantly stated." Now he's calling them "just completely wrong."

The original remarks, secretly recorded during a fundraiser in May and posted online in September by the magazine Mother Jones, sparked intense criticism of Romney and provided fodder to those who portray him as an out-of-touch millionaire oblivious to the lives of average Americans. The remarks became a staple of Obama campaign criticism.

Initially, Romney defended his view, telling reporters at a news conference shortly after the video was posted that his remarks were "not elegantly stated" and that they were spoken "off the cuff." He didn't disavow them, however, and later adopted as a response when the remarks were raised that his campaign supports "the 100% in America."

In an interview Thursday night with Fox News, Romney was asked what he would have said had the "47%" comments come up during his debate in Denver on Wednesday night with President Obama.
"Well, clearly in a campaign, with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question-and-answer sessions, now and then you're going to say something that doesn't come out right," Romney said. "In this case, I said something that's just completely wrong."

He added: "And I absolutely believe, however, that my life has shown that I care about 100% and that's been demonstrated throughout my life. And this whole campaign is about the 100%."

Critics of Romney's "47%" remarks noted that many of those who don't pay federal incomes taxes pay other forms of taxes. More than 16 million elderly Americans avoid federal income taxes solely because of tax breaks that apply only to seniors, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center reports. Millions of others don't pay federal income taxes because they don't earn enough after deductions and exemptions.

Acknowledging error is rare for Romney. Asked recently whether his TV ads had strayed from the facts, he said they had been "absolutely spot-on." Fact-checking operations have argued otherwise.

Some conservatives rallied around Romney after the video surfaced, urging him to stand behind the remarks as accurate despite the criticism.
"There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said in the video. "There are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

"Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax," Romney said, and that his role "is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Romney later told reporters at a news conference called to address the remarks: "It's not elegantly stated, let me put it that way. I was speaking off the cuff in response to a question. And I'm sure I could state it more clearly in a more effective way than I did in a setting like that."



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by on Oct. 7, 2012 at 6:19 AM
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broncfan
by Silver Member on Oct. 7, 2012 at 8:07 PM


Quoting JonJon:


Quoting broncfan:

 

Quoting JonJon:


Quoting broncfan:

 

Quoting JonJon:

Every time I see that statement I almost laugh.   How dare the lazy bums desire good doctors, good medications,food and a safe, warm place to live, among other things?!

Cake, anyone?



His statement was so wrong BUT when you are talking about what ever percentage it is that are moochers and do feel entitled I agree "how dare they desire good doctors, good medications,food and a safe, warm place to live, among other things?! "

I had one of these moochers tell me last night that she would not be spraying her sick baby's noise out with Simply Saline because it was not covered by the baby's "card" (Medicaid card) so she can't afford it.  She is telling me this as she tapped on her Iphone 5 with her inch long very well manicured fingernails.  These people are out there, they work the system, it needs to stop so we can help those that can not help themselves.  I want to take these babies and cut off the benefits to the parents I do not care if they starve in the streets, these children would be better off in group homes.

I get a laugh out of all of you who know rich poor people with iphones and manicures and designer clothes who neglect their children.

Report her and you'll have what you want; her on the street and her baby being warehoused in the homes of people who truly do care more about the welfare checks and food stamps they get for each of the 10 or more kids they take in and then force the older kids to take care of the younger kids.

You do realize politicians want people to focus on the poor people rather than the bankers and the huge corporations because corporate welfare is taking a lot more of the money out of the budget than kids and their moms and dads, don't you? 

Your enegies are best directed at putting rich lazy bastards on the streets than poor moms and dads.

And it just amazes me that people would rather laugh at the people that are concerned than cry over the cause.

I do not choose to "know" the people with Iphones that neglect their children I am forced to deal with them in order to care for their neglected children.  So many sit at home and never have to get their hand dirty with these kids, but some of us are in the trenches seeing the truth.

What bleeding heart liberals (I was one once) do not understand is that all their programs, benefits, checks and stamps are not helping the helpless children at all. In fact they are hurting these kids with every added benefit.  As long as we coddle and give to those that can work we are not helping the kids, we are enabling the parents to continue to be selfish and lazy.  There has to be a way (and will be figured out by someone smarter than me) to provide these kids with the food, shelter and healthcare they require in-spite of their parents.  But we continue to hurt these kids by "helping" their parents.

So, yes I do report, I am mandated to report any suspicion of neglect, abuse of children and welfare fraud.

I would rather see a business or business man, that is working and/or supplying jobs get a benefit, than a lazy, able to work man/woman get one just because they can reproduce.

There is also a huge difference in the working poor and the lazy poor. I put the % of the lazy poor at about 15-25 % of those getting benefits, but this is only based on what I see come through the hospital where I work.

You prove you're full of displaced anger and not full of facts.  The number of people who commit welfare fraud as recipients is more like 1-3% who take the government for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year who don't have any children or who have jobs while collecting welfare or who collect welfare in two or three different states.  The worst welfare fraud is committed by the service providers like unethical doctors and dentists and pharmacists who overcharge and take the government for millions of dollars a year..

How much work do you really believe people like Donald Trump do other than the art of the deal?  These are lazy guys who make their money by buying things cheap and selling them expensive.  Donald got rich buying and selling land and office buildings.  Then he created golf courses and casinos.  He sells neckties and fragrances.  He tried to sell water which is the laziest, fakiest way to get rich of all!  I'll take mine from the tap, s'il vous plait! 

All the lazy slobs who went into banking so they could run them into bankruptcy and then look to the government for bailouts at the tune of billions of dollars should be made to pay back the bailout money and then made to do some hard, honest work that'll grow hair on their flat chests and put callouses on their girly-soft hands.

I have no displaced anger.  My anger is right where it deserves to be, first a system that is so broke and people that use the broken system when they are more than able to push a broom, serve a french fry, run a laundry machine, work on a road crew or even work a professional job (welfare fraud is not just the un-educated).  My anger comes when I see children not being taken care of even it the pitiful form we call "help", but the parents having all the latest "goodies".  You can not tell me what I see everyday, I see it, I hear it, I clean these kids up patch them up love on them just a bit and send them back into hell 3 nights a week.

What D Trump does has nothing to do with what I am talking about here.  But the art of the deal is a talent and knowledge, talent and knowledge pays and pays well, as it should in my opinion.    Flat chest and girly-soft hands.....really?

jaxTheMomm
by Gold Member on Oct. 7, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Quick correction - not my sister!  My sister in law - my brother's wife.  He's had a horrible 5 year long bout with depression he's only just beginning to get over, and he married a very young, naive girl from a cycle of ignorance and poverty in which one expects to marry a man and make babies and stay home and he will provide just enough.  I've made myself step far back from that situation.

Yeah, she's wising up.

Anyway - firstly, you didn't answer my question as to what govt programs are hurting her children.  You really need to be specific when you talk about this stuff.  She needs every dime she can get in govt assistance and the sad bit is, she's stuck and can't get out.  So please don't say these vital programs hurt children - it's not a child's fault when their parents can't or won't work.  They still need food, medical assistance and hope.  I'm not real fond of the idea of stepping over starving children in the streets, you? 

I think the vast majority of those on the dole are like my SIL, and it's only a tiny minority are the actual abusers.  Either way they are both kind of the same - neither ever encourage to do well in school, move on to higher education or job skill training, both just hoping/expecting to be cared for one way or another because that's how they were raised.  Husband leave you high and dry?  Get pregnant by the next guy with a halfway decent job.  Then by the time you realize how the world could work, it's too late.  You are stuck.

That's one sad assed way to live and let's face it - welfare reform won't fix it.  Welfare reform moves slowly, and it's a hit and miss.

I agree with you that reform is needed, and I believe it's slowly being tried - again, hit and miss.

What we need to do is make children a priority.  Poor children, rich children, disabled children, abused children.  All of them.  We have to catch these children early and give them the hope, the nutrition to help their brains grow, the bud of an idea that they can do better.

Nobody wants to do that.  Our teachers have to walk out to get a halfway decent living wage and they are still poor.  Everybody kicks and screams over education reform and universal health care.

You want to make kids better?  Pay for it.  That's what it taks.

Quoting broncfan:


Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Which programs are hurting children?  WIC?  Unemployment?  Food stamps?  Social security?  Subsidized breakfasts and lunches?  Health clinics?

I would propose that in your specific job, you may see and experience what *could* be the worst of the worst.  What they see is a woman judging them, so it's all perspective.

My SIL had 2 children and didn't work; she was terrified to drive or leave the house.  When her husband faced crippling depression and quit his job, she overcame her fears and learned to drive, then began working.

Then she inherited her very young niece and nephew when her sister died.  Then she had an "oops" baby.  Now her husband is working again (minimum wage) and they are struggling.  I won't defend her choices in life, she's still very young in some ways but now realizes what it's going to take. 

Her food stamps just got cut in half and she doesn't know how she'll feed her 5 young children.  They live in a leaky trailer a few states away; family helps as they can.  They have no medical insurance and won't for about another 6 or 7 months when her husband's benefits kick in (thanks WalMart!).  She can't afford to work because she can't afford day care.  And trust me - she doesn't have an iPhone and has probably never, in her life, had a professional manicure.  She lives off of hand me downs.

Which programs would you feel hurt her children?  The one that allows her to feed them, or the one that provides counselling for a very wounded little 7 year old orphan? 

Quoting broncfan:


Quoting JonJon:


Quoting broncfan:


Quoting JonJon:

Every time I see that statement I almost laugh.   How dare the lazy bums desire good doctors, good medications,food and a safe, warm place to live, among other things?!

Cake, anyone?



His statement was so wrong BUT when you are talking about what ever percentage it is that are moochers and do feel entitled I agree "how dare they desire good doctors, good medications,food and a safe, warm place to live, among other things?! "

I had one of these moochers tell me last night that she would not be spraying her sick baby's noise out with Simply Saline because it was not covered by the baby's "card" (Medicaid card) so she can't afford it.  She is telling me this as she tapped on her Iphone 5 with her inch long very well manicured fingernails.  These people are out there, they work the system, it needs to stop so we can help those that can not help themselves.  I want to take these babies and cut off the benefits to the parents I do not care if they starve in the streets, these children would be better off in group homes.

I get a laugh out of all of you who know rich poor people with iphones and manicures and designer clothes who neglect their children.

Report her and you'll have what you want; her on the street and her baby being warehoused in the homes of people who truly do care more about the welfare checks and food stamps they get for each of the 10 or more kids they take in and then force the older kids to take care of the younger kids.

You do realize politicians want people to focus on the poor people rather than the bankers and the huge corporations because corporate welfare is taking a lot more of the money out of the budget than kids and their moms and dads, don't you? 

Your enegies are best directed at putting rich lazy bastards on the streets than poor moms and dads.

And it just amazes me that people would rather laugh at the people that are concerned than cry over the cause.

I do not choose to "know" the people with Iphones that neglect their children I am forced to deal with them in order to care for their neglected children.  So many sit at home and never have to get their hand dirty with these kids, but some of us are in the trenches seeing the truth.

What bleeding heart liberals (I was one once) do not understand is that all their programs, benefits, checks and stamps are not helping the helpless children at all. In fact they are hurting these kids with every added benefit.  As long as we coddle and give to those that can work we are not helping the kids, we are enabling the parents to continue to be selfish and lazy.  There has to be a way (and will be figured out by someone smarter than me) to provide these kids with the food, shelter and healthcare they require in-spite of their parents.  But we continue to hurt these kids by "helping" their parents.

So, yes I do report, I am mandated to report any suspicion of neglect, abuse of children and welfare fraud.

I would rather see a business or business man, that is working and/or supplying jobs get a benefit, than a lazy, able to work man/woman get one just because they can reproduce.

There is also a huge difference in the working poor and the lazy poor. I put the % of the lazy poor at about 15-25 % of those getting benefits, but this is only based on what I see come through the hospital where I work.

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Your sister is in the population that all these other people that CAN work hurt.  If we have 25% of the benefits going to those that could work but will not, that is 25% that could be going to people like your sister in the form of higher/better benefits.  I do not believe we need a cut in welfare dollars I believe we need welfare reform so that those that can work but will not (because it is to easy not to) can be tax paying citizens along with being off the rolls.  If the system worked correctly, your sister would not only have the food stamps to feed her children she would be able to feed them healthy, fresh foods, she would not be living in a leaky trailer, but would be living in a middle class standard section 8 housing so her kids could be in safe neighborhoods with good schools and safe living conditions.  If the system worked correctly your sister could get the help she needs to overcome her phobias and be able to walk her kids to the bus stop or go to the grocery store.  But our system does not work, so she will continue to worry about how to pay for food, live in a leaky trailer while those that can work take benefits from her and others.


JonJon
by on Oct. 8, 2012 at 4:52 AM


Quoting broncfan:


Quoting JonJon:


Quoting broncfan:


Quoting JonJon:


Quoting broncfan:


Quoting JonJon:

Every time I see that statement I almost laugh.   How dare the lazy bums desire good doctors, good medications,food and a safe, warm place to live, among other things?!

Cake, anyone?



His statement was so wrong BUT when you are talking about what ever percentage it is that are moochers and do feel entitled I agree "how dare they desire good doctors, good medications,food and a safe, warm place to live, among other things?! "

I had one of these moochers tell me last night that she would not be spraying her sick baby's noise out with Simply Saline because it was not covered by the baby's "card" (Medicaid card) so she can't afford it.  She is telling me this as she tapped on her Iphone 5 with her inch long very well manicured fingernails.  These people are out there, they work the system, it needs to stop so we can help those that can not help themselves.  I want to take these babies and cut off the benefits to the parents I do not care if they starve in the streets, these children would be better off in group homes.

I get a laugh out of all of you who know rich poor people with iphones and manicures and designer clothes who neglect their children.

Report her and you'll have what you want; her on the street and her baby being warehoused in the homes of people who truly do care more about the welfare checks and food stamps they get for each of the 10 or more kids they take in and then force the older kids to take care of the younger kids.

You do realize politicians want people to focus on the poor people rather than the bankers and the huge corporations because corporate welfare is taking a lot more of the money out of the budget than kids and their moms and dads, don't you? 

Your enegies are best directed at putting rich lazy bastards on the streets than poor moms and dads.

And it just amazes me that people would rather laugh at the people that are concerned than cry over the cause.

I do not choose to "know" the people with Iphones that neglect their children I am forced to deal with them in order to care for their neglected children.  So many sit at home and never have to get their hand dirty with these kids, but some of us are in the trenches seeing the truth.

What bleeding heart liberals (I was one once) do not understand is that all their programs, benefits, checks and stamps are not helping the helpless children at all. In fact they are hurting these kids with every added benefit.  As long as we coddle and give to those that can work we are not helping the kids, we are enabling the parents to continue to be selfish and lazy.  There has to be a way (and will be figured out by someone smarter than me) to provide these kids with the food, shelter and healthcare they require in-spite of their parents.  But we continue to hurt these kids by "helping" their parents.

So, yes I do report, I am mandated to report any suspicion of neglect, abuse of children and welfare fraud.

I would rather see a business or business man, that is working and/or supplying jobs get a benefit, than a lazy, able to work man/woman get one just because they can reproduce.

There is also a huge difference in the working poor and the lazy poor. I put the % of the lazy poor at about 15-25 % of those getting benefits, but this is only based on what I see come through the hospital where I work.

You prove you're full of displaced anger and not full of facts.  The number of people who commit welfare fraud as recipients is more like 1-3% who take the government for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year who don't have any children or who have jobs while collecting welfare or who collect welfare in two or three different states.  The worst welfare fraud is committed by the service providers like unethical doctors and dentists and pharmacists who overcharge and take the government for millions of dollars a year..

How much work do you really believe people like Donald Trump do other than the art of the deal?  These are lazy guys who make their money by buying things cheap and selling them expensive.  Donald got rich buying and selling land and office buildings.  Then he created golf courses and casinos.  He sells neckties and fragrances.  He tried to sell water which is the laziest, fakiest way to get rich of all!  I'll take mine from the tap, s'il vous plait! 

All the lazy slobs who went into banking so they could run them into bankruptcy and then look to the government for bailouts at the tune of billions of dollars should be made to pay back the bailout money and then made to do some hard, honest work that'll grow hair on their flat chests and put callouses on their girly-soft hands.

I have no displaced anger.  My anger is right where it deserves to be, first a system that is so broke and people that use the broken system when they are more than able to push a broom, serve a french fry, run a laundry machine, work on a road crew or even work a professional job (welfare fraud is not just the un-educated).  My anger comes when I see children not being taken care of even it the pitiful form we call "help", but the parents having all the latest "goodies".  You can not tell me what I see everyday, I see it, I hear it, I clean these kids up patch them up love on them just a bit and send them back into hell 3 nights a week.

What D Trump does has nothing to do with what I am talking about here.  But the art of the deal is a talent and knowledge, talent and knowledge pays and pays well, as it should in my opinion.    Flat chest and girly-soft hands.....really?

If you work in ER then you have a skewed view of the world.  I had a friend whose mom was an ER nurse and dad was a cop.  Her parents saw people at their worst and therefore thought the worst of people.  MOST people don't wind up in ER.  You see only a small percentage of the population but when that's all you see it FEELS like a lot.  Also, most of the people you are going to see in ER are poor so you believe poor people are the ones beating up their kids .  You're obviously a skeptic because you apparently never believe their stories of how their kids were injured and I understand that sort of suspicion.  There's a reason people in ERs burnout.

I also get the sense that you're one of those who automatically villainize the poor and heroize the rich robber barons.  People like Trump get rich doing some dirty things.  It should be called the art of dirty-dealing because it's an "art" to skirt around laws and regulations to get what you want which is to be rich with as little physical effort as possible.

Flat chests and girly-soft hands, yes.  I've shook a lot of girly-soft hands.  Doctors and nurses hands are the softest.  After that I'd say politician's hands are softest and I've shook the hands of mayors, senators and governors.

imamomzilla
by on Oct. 8, 2012 at 8:28 AM
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 bow down

Quoting Meadowchik:

 

Quoting Citygirlk:

Im happy that he realized that he was wrong, ( which i bet has a lot to do with his campain advisors) but come on mitt when will the flip flopping end?.

The essence is that bad policy can promote an dependency society.  There are plenty of good arguments for that. 

As far as his statistics, I am glad he's admitted they were wrong.  It was much like Obama's "bitter clingers" comment.  I'd much rather support Romney who can admit fault when he has spoken badly than someone like Obama who was wrong, whose comment promoted the racial and ethnic divide and to this day has not renounced them.

Furthermore, it's disgusting when making amends amounts to a "flipflop." If that were true, I'd really like to see President Obama "flipflop" a whole lot more.

 

Dimples303
by on Oct. 8, 2012 at 12:40 PM

I doubt it would really matter if he went back on his comment or not. What Romney said was ignorant no doubt, but at least he admitted what he said was wrong. Both parties are known to say things to suit their audience so it is not shocking to me by any means. Remember what Obama said about the small Midwest towns?   " It’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." This was an explanation for his struggle to win over working class voters. It was just as stupid and ignorant. 

Quoting Citygirlk:

The thing is at first he stood by that comment and owned it, now hes going back on it. The only reason i think he would do so is so that during the next debates he wont get attacked for them.

Quoting Dimples303:

Both Obama and Romney have said stupid things, they are both human...

People that are comfortable with being dependent on the government (And I'm not referring to people that actually NEED assistance) aren't going to give up their free food, money and housing. More so, with the way the economy is going under Obama, a lot people that DONT want to be dependent on the government have no choice because they cant find decent jobs to support their families!

The more dependent people are on the the government, the more POWER and CONTROL the government has over everyone. Our so called "free country" is becoming less and less. 

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Dimples303
by on Oct. 8, 2012 at 12:45 PM
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Couldnt agree more.

Quoting Meadowchik:

 

Quoting Citygirlk:

Im happy that he realized that he was wrong, ( which i bet has a lot to do with his campain advisors) but come on mitt when will the flip flopping end?.

The essence is that bad policy can promote an dependency society.  There are plenty of good arguments for that. 

As far as his statistics, I am glad he's admitted they were wrong.  It was much like Obama's "bitter clingers" comment.  I'd much rather support Romney who can admit fault when he has spoken badly than someone like Obama who was wrong, whose comment promoted the racial and ethnic divide and to this day has not renounced them.

Furthermore, it's disgusting when making amends amounts to a "flipflop." If that were true, I'd really like to see President Obama "flipflop" a whole lot more.


MomTiara19
by Silver Member on Oct. 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Hi,

Romney doesnt regret what he said.He regrets that he got caught.

All of you consertive republicans know this!!....and know full well his plan is to cut government funds that would help the low and middle class.

You also know that Romneys plan will tax the middle class higher than the rich and millionaires.This all making the rich more rich because of their tax breaks and leaving the middle class =poor,and the poor=homeless because the the middle class and poor will not have the college loans,educational programs,medicare,medicaid,unemployment,etc provided by government assistance to flourish.

Republicans you full well know that Romneys plans of cutting obama-care,medicare to voucher,small business Donald Trump dreams,and relying on state help wont help people keep jobs or grow the economy.

Romney will say anything and do anything to win.If it means lying at debates and lying about his %47 comment so be it.

And FYI if you make under $250,000 a year and you are republican....you are part of the %47 too!

Romney is shafting it to you too!!

~Tia

itsmesteph11
by on Oct. 8, 2012 at 5:16 PM

 Refreshing actually to have a candidate who will admit he's wrong.  I still never thought he meant it literally. Yes 47% don't pay taxes and many do everything they can(just like the rich) to pay less in and get more back. Even so, the only place he was wrong was in stating that they were all  mooching off the government

Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Oct. 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Broken system

Too few jobs for those who need to work

Competitive global labor market.

Initially folks on the right were supporting MR's gaffe- claiming it was true.

What changed?

A true apology would have come immediately, not weeks later.

Calculated does not = sincere or trustworthy.
 

Separation of church and state is for the protection of BOTH church and state.
Leading with hate and intolerance only leads to MORE hate and intolerance.
itsmesteph11
by on Oct. 8, 2012 at 5:31 PM

 Another Clueless LIb. Sound like a 99%er too.

How do YOU know what Romney thinks or feels.  Never mind  we all know you haven't a clue.

Since he has stated there will be no taxes raised on the middle class how do YOU know he will?   Nevermind , we all know you haven't a CLUE.

You are also wrong about the voucher plan for health care.  That is Ryans plan. Romney has said he will return the decision to the states. If they like a voucher plan (nothing wrong with that) then their legislature will make it a voucher plan.  You can be pissed at your state if that were to happen. ALSO, If you are speaking of leaving the elderly with a voucher that isn't enough to pay for insurance (what most libs throw out there cause it sounds "mean"). The medicare portion is OPTIONAL. If no one likes the idea of what the state decideds to do they won't pick it. You should mind your own business.

That being said, you are obviously one of those uneducated libs who loves to spew anything that makes Romney  bad whether it's true or not.

You also have no clue how the government works.  I can understand that since your guy just makes up the rules he likes and ignores the ones he doesn't.  If something isn't going his way he blames someone else or goes around the constitution and the congress.   Congress will have the final decision in what goes into any bill with Romney as President AS IT SHOULD BE! 

Quoting MomTiara19:

Hi,

Romney doesnt regret what he said.He regrets that he got caught.

All of you consertive republicans know this!!....and know full well his plan is to cut government funds that would help the low and middle class.

You also know that Romneys plan will tax the middle class higher than the rich and millionaires.This all making the rich more rich because of their tax breaks and leaving the middle class =poor,and the poor=homeless because the the middle class and poor will not have the college loans,educational programs,medicare,medicaid,unemployment,etc provided by government assistance to flourish.

Republicans you full well know that Romneys plans of cutting obama-care,medicare to voucher,small business Donald Trump dreams,and relying on state help wont help people keep jobs or grow the economy.

Romney will say anything and do anything to win.If it means lying at debates and lying about his %47 comment so be it.

And FYI if you make under $250,000 a year and you are republican....you are part of the %47 too!

Romney is shafting it to you too!!

~Tia

 

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