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Paid Obama worker helps lady VOTE TWICE!

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by on Oct. 10, 2012 at 1:17 PM
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JonJon
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM

OIC:  You consider yourself too intelligent to enter debate!


rolling on floorrolling on floorrolling on floorrolling on floor

See how that "self-effacing" bs backfires?

You don't mind nonsense when YOU and your CRONIES are the ones writing it!  LOL!

Quoting Billiejeens:

Actually, I don't think that I am very good at debating. I believe myself to be very well informed, but have very little patience for nonsense, so I get easily bored with debating someone who clearly has less information.


 

Quoting JonJon:

It doesn't matter whether anyone else believes I'm a good debater.  It only matters that I believe it or I wouldn't be here debating.  No matter how hard one person tells another she or he is good at some sort of performance or discipline, if that person doesn't believe it of himself or herself, he or she won't be convinced and won't excel in that area.

Everyone here believes she's  or he's) good at expressing her(him) self and making her(his) cases or no one would be here. 

Perhaps you're the exception but I won't assume; I'll ask. 

Do you consider yourself a good debater?

Quoting Billiejeens:

Does someone other than you think that you are a good debater?

Most of what I have witnessed is that you are just long winded, and passionately married to the false idea that Obama is defensible.  Of course that is just my opinion.

Quoting JonJon:

Cha!  It was good advice that she heed her self-advice!  I'm an excellent debater!  YOU know that!  :)  Here, I'll c&p that little clue again: 


You agitatin'?  You're like some kid on a playground trying to get two people to fight for your amusement.  Ugh.

Quoting Billiejeens:

Is that some sort of warning?

Quoting JonJon:

You made a wise decision.  Stick to it.


Quoting 7SportsMom7:

 "... but the anger and hostility I've seen here is scarey when I realize there are so many more like you."

I have done my best to steer clear of you (and I will continue to) but I think you should know the comment you made above is exactly how I feel too. 

P.S.  *scary

Quoting JonJon:

It's not the politicians that bother me, they can't be all things to all people and they can't help if people hear what they want to hear and then complain that what they believe they heard didn't come to fruition.  Also, there's politicians who naively believe they can be the ones to bring change to an old boys' network that doesn't want any disturbances to the status quo.  We basically have to hope the old boys hurry up and die so the new boys can make some new things happen.

What concerns me are the people who come here to be so disruptive and irrational.  I consider CM a little slice of America which means there are exponentially more people in the country who think exactly as we do.  Fortunately, most of us are fair and as honest as we can manage to be and keep our personal lives private but the anger and hostility I've seen here is scarey when I realize there are so many more like you. 

There are many more like those of us who believe in fair play but still...it only takes one angry, hate-filled man to get through the President's security system...he lives with what we know based on the hostility in some of your replies, cubed.  There are people who believe as some of you believe who have access to military-grade weapons and explosives. 

Scary.

Quoting 143myboys9496:

 

Quoting DixieL:


It sounds to me like you are discribing republicans. Romney is supposed to be Mormon, but he thinks nothing of lying through his teeth. He will say anything he has to say, until he is elected, which won't happen. Then we would see the real Romney.

 Right, like republicans are the ONLY party that spew lies. And Romney is the first politician to flex his views.

As far as I'm concerned politicians are all liars. Show me one that's actually done what they promised to do..










          

Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM
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I simply luv that I have cronies.

Quoting JonJon:

OIC:  You consider yourself too intelligent to enter debate!


rolling on floorrolling on floorrolling on floorrolling on floor

See how that "self-effacing" bs backfires?

You don't mind nonsense when YOU and your CRONIES are the ones writing it!  LOL!

Quoting Billiejeens:

Actually, I don't think that I am very good at debating. I believe myself to be very well informed, but have very little patience for nonsense, so I get easily bored with debating someone who clearly has less information.


 

Quoting JonJon:

 

 

 

WinningWinning
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I think you may have me confused with someone else. 

I never said who I was voting for, or if I was voting at all. I also never mentioned my family. 

I've only stated that I "lean" liberal.

I was led to pose my question regarding the most recent polls as of this morning, by your statement...

 "We don't have to lie; Romney shoots himself in the foot one or more times a week.  He's campaign-stumping on a bloody stump"

...and wondered if those who have recently changed their stance were never really Obama supporters in the first place or were some staunch Obama but now seem to be believing Romney's so-called "lies".

Thank you for explaining to me in detail what your personal opinion is on polls and such, but I asked what your opinion of those who have supposedly switched over in the eleventh hour to supporting Romney was.

Or did your basically indirectly answer me already by saying since you don't believe the polls are accurate or unbiased, then there's no way the polls can be accurate?  

My news source is Good Morning American. I'm not certain which pollster they sourced. But I've found them in the past to be very creditable and unbiased with their accuracy in reporting.


Quoting JonJon:

I have no idea how you got to polls and whether or not people are believing lies (posited by whom?) but as you seem to be placing some value on my opinion (?) I'll bite:

I usually look at the electoral maps to give me an indication of who is doing better (I'm a visual learner); all of them showing the president with 20 or more electoral votes over Romney.  I have read that Romney gained momentum after the debate but not much, and it's slowed to a stop I choose to believe what I've read.  As it's in the Presiden'ts favor and has been for months, I choose to believe it.  I've seen on one of my favorite electoral college maps that one pink state, North Carolina, has now become true red.  That could be a mistake or it could change after the last debate.  There's still a few weeks before the election.

I don't care for polls because the outcome depends on who's asking the questions, who wrote the questions and how those questions are worded, who's asked the questions and how diverse the population of the questioned, how many are asked the questions and how the information is handled once it's been accrued.  There may be a truly objective, competent and close-to-accurate polling agency out there but I don't know which it is.  To which pollster are you most drawn?

I saw where you wrote you and your family are liberal Independents (except one) and that you are voting for Obama but this is not the first time it's occurred to me you sound as if YOU were never really an Obama supporter in the first place; no?

Quoting WinningWinning:

In your opinion then, are the key battle grounds in which Romney is gaining momentum and even passing Obama in, are those polls lying OR are the people that had supposedly made up their minds for Obama,  now saying they are going to vote for Romney, believing lies? 

If so, then if someone is dumb enough to believe lies and be a turn-coat in the eleventh hour, so to speak, chances are they were never really Obama supporters in the first place, no?

Quoting JonJon:

I am saying that I am not as active as some of you are.  I am very selective about which posts I open and to which posts I reply.  I don't necessarily read all the replies, especially in large posts.  I don't see everything. 

Of what I've seen, I haven't caught an Obamamama in a lie.  No one gets a pass.  If I caught an Obamamama in a deliberate lie against Romney/Ryan, I'd correct her. 

We don't have to lie; Romney shoots himself in the foot one or more times a week.  He's campaign-stumping on a bloody stump.

Thanks for asking.

Quoting Billiejeens:

Let me make certain that I understand you.

Of all the pro-Obama CMs I can't recall a lie - is your statement.

Are you affirming that there have been lies, but you simply can't recall them? or, are you stating that you do not believe that there have been any, I realize that you further state that you would call them on them, but I want to be sure.

Quoting JonJon:

The word indicated does not exonerate you.  I was talking specifically about CMs who are proponents of the President.  YOU insinuate I wrote about ALL people who advocate for the President. 

I don't know how ALL people think outside of CM but of the replies I've seen of pro-Obama CMs I can't recall a lie.  I would call them on those lies if I did.  No one who lies about anyone gets a pass from me if I know it to be lies.  I've disproved a mistaken statement made about Romney.  I can't remember what it was but I believe it had something to do with a mistaken belief about Mormons. 

Was it that Mormons aren't Christian? 

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Kate_Momof3
by Platinum Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:25 PM

I think this may have been overlooked in all the sniping.

Quoting denise3680:


Quoting imamomzilla:

 Lovely. I suspect we'll see plenty of this kind of  fraud and corruption....just like the last election.

Meanwhile, our servicemen and women won't even get a chance to vote! Grrr


stop it, this is a lie.  Our men and women in the service are not being prevented anything.  That is bullshit.  It is common knowledge, to those in the service or have served, that you can vote in the state that is listed as your home of record. That we had or have to make sure we register and get our absentee ballot in. Nothing absolutely nothing is stopping, holding them back or preventing them from voting.  Stop lying.


JonJon
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:32 PM

I might have confused you with someone who said her family is liberal and independents but I'm pretty sure it's words associated with your avatar that has had me wondering if you truly do "lean" liberal.

I don't know anyone who's changed her stance here on CM and whether she changed her stance based on lies.

I'm only talking about the people I've seen lie during these debates on CM.

Does that answer your question?  I admit I talk about what interests me when people inspire me to do so and you inspired me to say, yet again, that I don't put a lot of store in most polls.  When I watch morning talk I like the Today Show but I stop when Hoda and that idiot Kathy Lee segment begins.  I can't stand those two women.  Oh, yeah; I'm not crazy about the Today now that what's her name is gone.  The black-n-asian; I can't think of her name for the life of me and I've been a fan for years...

*ETA:  We have not yet reached the 11th hour.  Don't exaggerate or mispresent to suit your agenda.

Quoting WinningWinning:

I think you may have me confused with someone else. 

I never said who I was voting for, or if I was voting at all. I also never mentioned my family. 

I've only stated that I "lean" liberal.

I was led to pose my question regarding the most recent polls as of this morning, by your statement...

 "We don't have to lie; Romney shoots himself in the foot one or more times a week.  He's campaign-stumping on a bloody stump"

...and wondered if those who have recently changed their stance were never really Obama supporters in the first place or were some staunch Obama but now seem to be believing Romney's so-called "lies".

Thank you for explaining to me in detail what your personal opinion is on polls and such, but I asked what your opinion of those who have supposedly switched over in the eleventh hour to supporting Romney was.

Or did your basically indirectly answer me already by saying since you don't believe the polls are accurate or unbiased, then there's no way the polls can be accurate?  

My news source is Good Morning American. I'm not certain which pollster they sourced. But I've found them in the past to be very creditable and unbiased with their accuracy in reporting.


Quoting JonJon:

I have no idea how you got to polls and whether or not people are believing lies (posited by whom?) but as you seem to be placing some value on my opinion (?) I'll bite:

I usually look at the electoral maps to give me an indication of who is doing better (I'm a visual learner); all of them showing the president with 20 or more electoral votes over Romney.  I have read that Romney gained momentum after the debate but not much, and it's slowed to a stop I choose to believe what I've read.  As it's in the Presiden'ts favor and has been for months, I choose to believe it.  I've seen on one of my favorite electoral college maps that one pink state, North Carolina, has now become true red.  That could be a mistake or it could change after the last debate.  There's still a few weeks before the election.

I don't care for polls because the outcome depends on who's asking the questions, who wrote the questions and how those questions are worded, who's asked the questions and how diverse the population of the questioned, how many are asked the questions and how the information is handled once it's been accrued.  There may be a truly objective, competent and close-to-accurate polling agency out there but I don't know which it is.  To which pollster are you most drawn?

I saw where you wrote you and your family are liberal Independents (except one) and that you are voting for Obama but this is not the first time it's occurred to me you sound as if YOU were never really an Obama supporter in the first place; no?

Quoting WinningWinning:

In your opinion then, are the key battle grounds in which Romney is gaining momentum and even passing Obama in, are those polls lying OR are the people that had supposedly made up their minds for Obama,  now saying they are going to vote for Romney, believing lies? 

If so, then if someone is dumb enough to believe lies and be a turn-coat in the eleventh hour, so to speak, chances are they were never really Obama supporters in the first place, no?

Quoting JonJon:

I am saying that I am not as active as some of you are.  I am very selective about which posts I open and to which posts I reply.  I don't necessarily read all the replies, especially in large posts.  I don't see everything. 

Of what I've seen, I haven't caught an Obamamama in a lie.  No one gets a pass.  If I caught an Obamamama in a deliberate lie against Romney/Ryan, I'd correct her. 

We don't have to lie; Romney shoots himself in the foot one or more times a week.  He's campaign-stumping on a bloody stump.

Thanks for asking.

Quoting Billiejeens:

Let me make certain that I understand you.

Of all the pro-Obama CMs I can't recall a lie - is your statement.

Are you affirming that there have been lies, but you simply can't recall them? or, are you stating that you do not believe that there have been any, I realize that you further state that you would call them on them, but I want to be sure.

Quoting JonJon:

The word indicated does not exonerate you.  I was talking specifically about CMs who are proponents of the President.  YOU insinuate I wrote about ALL people who advocate for the President. 

I don't know how ALL people think outside of CM but of the replies I've seen of pro-Obama CMs I can't recall a lie.  I would call them on those lies if I did.  No one who lies about anyone gets a pass from me if I know it to be lies.  I've disproved a mistaken statement made about Romney.  I can't remember what it was but I believe it had something to do with a mistaken belief about Mormons. 

Was it that Mormons aren't Christian? 

confused










          

Friday
by Platinum Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM

James O'Keefe?

sidesplittinglaughter



Church of The Invisible Pink Unicorn (blessed be her holy hooves)

blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM
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Quoting Lacey14:

What do you expect with people who have no morals?  Lie, cheat, steal, create havoc...it's all good in their eyes.  It's disgusting to those who try to live honorably.  To make it worse, these types are raising more just like themselves.

 shake hand   scary isn't it!

Kate_Momof3
by Platinum Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Disparaging comments about people's parenting? 

Classy.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting Lacey14:

What do you expect with people who have no morals?  Lie, cheat, steal, create havoc...it's all good in their eyes.  It's disgusting to those who try to live honorably.  To make it worse, these types are raising more just like themselves.

 shake hand   scary isn't it!


blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:41 PM
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Quoting Kate_Momof3:

Disparaging comments about people's parenting? 

Classy.

Setting a positive ex as a parent is a primary responsibility when raising children. Teaching your children dishonesty and selfishness is far from being classy. Sadly Kate, you do not understand this!

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting Lacey14:

What do you expect with people who have no morals?  Lie, cheat, steal, create havoc...it's all good in their eyes.  It's disgusting to those who try to live honorably.  To make it worse, these types are raising more just like themselves.

 shake hand   scary isn't it!


 

blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:49 PM
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Quoting Xlandria:

 

Quoting DixieL:

 

Quoting Lacey14:

What do you expect with people who have no morals?  Lie, cheat, steal, create havoc...it's all good in their eyes.  It's disgusting to those who try to live honorably.  To make it worse, these types are raising more just like themselves.

It sounds to me like you are discribing republicans. Romney is supposed to be Mormon, but he thinks nothing of lying through his teeth. He will say anything he has to say, until he is elected, which won't happen. Then we would see the real Romney.

And you say Romney lies, why? Is it because Obama's camp says he does? The Liar-in-Chief? Really. I'm sure you know that Sesame Workshop told him to quit using Sesame Street Characters, AARP says they never gave permission to use their name, a reporter from MSNBC doesn't want her name/image used. No that's not exactly lying but this is, the two Economists whom Obama quoted as saying Romney was lying about his tax plan, seems they never said that and Obama's the liar. That's one teeny tiny drop in a sea of lies Obama has told and is still telling. The latest one of course involves the murders of our Ambassador, (the first since the 1970's), as well the 3 person security detail they had. If you Google Obama's lies or Obama's Flip-Flops, you might will get a rude awakening.

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