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Obama: I Was "Just Too Polite" with Romney

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By Aaron Goldstein on 10.10.12 @ 5:02PM

President Obama just can't let that bad debate go.

During a radio interview this morning, Obama attributed his subpar performance to being "too polite" with Mitt Romney.

President Obama can be accused of being many things. Being too polite isn't one of them. If looking down at your shoes and appearing otherwise irritable is Obama's idea of being polite then I don't think he's going to help himself by being angry. While I suspect he won't adopt a southern accent, demagoguery does not become him whatever his dialect.

Clearly Obama just doesn't get it. He didn't lose the debate on account of being too polite. He lost because he had no energy, could not defend his record in office and, as I argued yesterday,just wasn't intelligent enough to be in the same room with Romney.

(The American Spectator)


by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 8:06 AM
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garnet83
by Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Kind of reminds me of when my oldest daughter says something she knows was wrong and she's about to get in trouble and she quickly blurts, "I was just kidding!" Too late.

Dimples303
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 3:25 PM
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I watch the debates not for what is said (both lie or evade the truth anyway) but instead to see how each candidate presents themselves. To me it was clear who embodied the Presidential attitude, passion and demeanor... And it was NOT our current presedent. Lol How sad.
imamomzilla
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM
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 sidesplittinglaughter

Quoting cbk_mom3:

Wow. Just wow. He and his minions will use any excuse in the book. He's such a loser, and he knows his days are numbered. Get packin' Obeyme, your'e on your way out! Oh, and ima, I just gotta share this one, too good not to!

 

 

Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Oct. 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM
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It was do or die for MR that night; performance over substance.

It's part of why are country is in the shape that it's in- people are easily fooled and reticent to make the hard, bold decisions that need to be made.

Quoting PamR:

We'll see how the next one goes.  He was definitely not at his best that night, for whatever reason.  Romney certainly  had more energy, although it's interesting that the content of the debate - i.e., Romney telling one "fib" after another, apparently isn't important.


Separation of church and state is for the protection of BOTH church and state.
Leading with hate and intolerance only leads to MORE hate and intolerance.
bluerooffarm
by Silver Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 3:49 PM
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 Quick apology to Zilla:  I'm about to go off topic, so I'm sorry!  I HATE to derail posts!

 

There are more places, but here's my reply to Zilla in her post It's October- Who are you VOTING for? (Poll) :


 

Quote:

I know you would, you need to stand in line there :-)

I want to see a higher percentage on the third party this time around. Here are my big issues.... I want to see all of the subsidies disappear (big oil and green energy, a level playing field), I think we should end the war on marijuana and regulate it state-by-state with no fed money or treat it like alcohol, I want to see the majority of our troops home with few enough engagements that we stop asking our National Guard to fight on foreign soil, and I want the Fed ended. I think that IF we get a percentage closing in on that magical 10% as third party voters then one of the major parties will step in to meet what we want.

As a Pennsylvania voter watching what the GOP has been doing in my state... they have one angry woman here! Fighting ballot access, the voter id laws and the way they talk about them as if they are TRYING to supress the dems votes, and Corbet!!! BLAH! I am so sick of it.


 

On another post I said:


Quote:

I have no place under the current GOP platform and I disagree with much of the Dem platform. Where can I go? And sometimes I make comments that get the conservative's ire up and then I make the dems jump up and down and holler!

The Roger Miller quote has been running through my mind lately: Where have all the average people gone?

Yes in high school debates I am much more likely to let things slide.  More is at stake.

I don't think Romney is the right man for the job.  He is already in a wealth bubble IMO and it would only get worse when surrounded by wealthy politicians in Washington.  I think he often makes gaffes that will change the way that Americans are viewed overseas for the worse much as Bush did.  I don't believe that his tax plan will work and I don't believe he will actually work to reign in the Fed.  This post is about Obama's performance at the last debate.  Hence I stayed on the topic.

 

 

Quoting JonJon:

You may not be voting for either but I've only seen you act pro-Romney.  Or anti-Obama.  Have I missed all the stuff you've written as to why you believe Romney should not be president?

Considering how jugmental you are, I'll bet you did a lousy job of judging high school debates.  High school debates are a bit different from Presidential debates, wouldn't you say?  I lot more hinges on them?

You are not objective and contradicted yourself.  You said the President was rude because of his behavior; shook his head (better than just shouting an interruption when he disagreed), scoffed?  I wonder what scoffing looks like to you.  I saw the President knit his eyebrows once when Romney said something he thought was incorrect.  Is that scoffing?  He's a human being; he reacts when someone tells a lie and Romney told a few.  The President shifted in an irritated way?  How about he was standing on a stage for 90 minutes and shifted to give that side of his body a rest?  I noticed how the President spent most of the time with his body weight resting on his left leg; the President is left-handed (means he's in his right mind) and left-legged be he had to give his leg a rest.

It's interesting, yet again to see the varying perspectives.  Did you correct all those people complaining the President didn't look at Romney, choosing instead to look at the audience, the camera, or the moderator?  I would seriously appreciate it if you'd provide me a link to the page(s) where you did that.

I always believe whatever I want to believe.

Quoting bluerooffarm:

<SNIP>

 


 


 

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM

OK, folks - new information (at least I haven't seen it):  Watched (listened, actually) to the debates again, this time counting the number of "uh's" and "um's" by each candidate: 

Pres. Obama: 318 (avg of 1 every 20 seconds)                                                                                       Romney: 48 (avg of 1 every 2 minutes)

So Obama did it 6.6 times as often as Romney. Of course they did not occur regularly, evenly spaced out. It tended to be in clusters, a little at the beginning of sentences, mostly in the middle, rarely at the end.  

Of course, this has nothing to do with a candidate's ideas or body language. In Toastmasters Clubs, as we are working on our public speaking skills, we make a conscious effort to limit our "filler words". Someone at the meeting counts them for everyone who speaks and then reports on them at the end of the meeting. We try to keep them in the single digits. If Obama and Romney had given the typical approx. 10 minute speech, Romney would have had 5 "uh/um's"; Obama, 35. Of course, there is far more pressure to speak in a 90 min. presidential debate in front of 70 million people, than a 10 min. speech in a TM meeting in front of 20 people.

Most people use filler words, like "uh" and "um", at times; the moderator did just about every time he spoke.  But the more you use them, it can make you look unsure of yourself, perhaps forgetful of your points, less prepared, less confident. It's not always a conscious action, and focusing on it during the debate would probably diminish a candidate's attention and planned responses to the points made by the other candidate. However, it's definitely something that can be worked on during debate prep. I'm pretty sure Obama - who did not do as much of this in 2008 - will likely improve in this area in the next two debates. 

JonJon
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Um...weren't you one of those people calling ME obsessive?  I never would have bothered to watch the debate again just to count the ums and uhs. 

Uh...your points are interesting and what you said at the end is most true but ahhhh...I have another take on ums, uhs and ahs.

People who choose their words carefully and who are thinking before speaking make those sounds.  If you have what you want to say well-rehearsed and Romney has nothing but time to rehearse and lots of time to rest and sleep while the President has many, many demands on him on any given day.  Romney was refreshed and clear while the President is tired and works hard everyday for we ingrates therefore has not much time to commit everything he wanted to say to memory but basically said what he did based on knowledge of how things are.

And there's still hankygate!  Thanks for giving me a chance to say hankygate!  LOL!

I believe the President is going to perhaps cut into his "me" time  and time with the family to rehearse more and get more sleep so he'll be at optimum prime Tuesday.

Quoting SallyMJ:

OK, folks - new information (at least I haven't seen it):  Watched (listened, actually) to the debates again, this time counting the number of "uh's" and "um's" by each candidate: 

Pres. Obama: 318 (avg of 1 every 20 seconds)                                                                                       Romney: 48 (avg of 1 every 2 minutes)

So Obama did it 6.6 times as often as Romney. Of course they did not occur regularly, evenly spaced out. It tended to be in clusters, a little at the beginning of sentences, mostly in the middle, rarely at the end.  

Of course, this has nothing to do with a candidate's ideas or body language. In Toastmasters Clubs, as we are working on our public speaking skills, we make a conscious effort to limit our "filler words". Someone at the meeting counts them for everyone who speaks and then reports on them at the end of the meeting. We try to keep them in the single digits. If Obama and Romney had given the typical approx. 10 minute speech, Romney would have had 5 "uh/um's"; Obama, 35. Of course, there is far more pressure to speak in a 90 min. presidential debate in front of 70 million people, than a 10 min. speech in a TM meeting in front of 20 people.

Most people use filler words, like "uh" and "um", at times; the moderator did just about every time he spoke.  But the more you use them, it can make you look unsure of yourself, perhaps forgetful of your points, less prepared, less confident. It's not always a conscious action, and focusing on it during the debate would probably diminish a candidate's attention and planned responses to the points made by the other candidate. However, it's definitely something that can be worked on during debate prep. I'm pretty sure Obama - who did not do as much of this in 2008 - will likely improve in this area in the next two debates. 


          

Kate_Momof3
by Platinum Member on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:31 PM
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Back off, JJ. 

You're starting to look like a fool.

Sincerely, 

A Fellow Liberal

Quoting JonJon:

You may not be voting for either but I've only seen you act pro-Romney.  Or anti-Obama.  Have I missed all the stuff you've written as to why you believe Romney should not be president?

Considering how jugmental you are, I'll bet you did a lousy job of judging high school debates.  High school debates are a bit different from Presidential debates, wouldn't you say?  I lot more hinges on them?

You are not objective and contradicted yourself.  You said the President was rude because of his behavior; shook his head (better than just shouting an interruption when he disagreed), scoffed?  I wonder what scoffing looks like to you.  I saw the President knit his eyebrows once when Romney said something he thought was incorrect.  Is that scoffing?  He's a human being; he reacts when someone tells a lie and Romney told a few.  The President shifted in an irritated way?  How about he was standing on a stage for 90 minutes and shifted to give that side of his body a rest?  I noticed how the President spent most of the time with his body weight resting on his left leg; the President is left-handed (means he's in his right mind) and left-legged be he had to give his leg a rest.

It's interesting, yet again to see the varying perspectives.  Did you correct all those people complaining the President didn't look at Romney, choosing instead to look at the audience, the camera, or the moderator?  I would seriously appreciate it if you'd provide me a link to the page(s) where you did that.

I always believe whatever I want to believe.

Quoting bluerooffarm:

 I judged high school debates while in college and I (again) taught debate to high school students.  Seeing as how I am not voting for either of these gentlemen, I believe that I am a bit more objective than most.  But whatever you want to believe.

Quoting JonJon:

You obviously never received training in how to objectively and accurately judge a debate.

Quoting bluerooffarm:

 His spoken words may have been polite, but his mannerisms were not.  He would have made a better impression if he had come out and said that he thought Romney was mistaken in x, y, and z.  He didn't.  He shook his head, scoffed at some of Romney's comments, shifted like he was agitated... however, he did not come out and say what was wrong and how it was wrong. 

Also I taught debate for 3 years in Virginia.  I always told my kids to either look at the back row of the audience or the moderator with a relaxed smile or straight face while the opposition was speaking.  Make VERY brief notes to yourself very quickly when a point strikes you during their speech.  Make sure to use the notes to articulate what you were thinking.  The moderator or judge has no idea what you are thinking and thoughts aren't debate.  You need to say it for it to count.

President Obama lost that debate and not because he was too polite.  I hope he brushes up on numbers and comes out swinging in the next debate because this one really bored me.

Quoting JonJon:

I'm getting the impression that you guys need to go back and watch the debate a couple more times.

The President was soft-spoken and controlled, he made definite statements as to what he's done and will continue to do while Romney said a whole lot of nothing.

It's surprised me that even the political "experts" decided the President could have done better because he was polite rather than being loutish the way Romney was.

Quoting bluerooffarm:

 While watching the debate, it looked to me as if he thought that his smirks, scoffs, and disinterest were answering for him.  Polite?  No way.  A polite person makes eye contact with the person, keeps a slight smile or straight face, and is interested in the other person's position.  I did not see that in the debate.  We the people needed to actually hear what was going on in his head when he was making what appeared to me to be smirks and scoffs.  We were not enlightened and we decided he lost the debate.  You can't win a debate with the things you are thinking....it needs to actually come out of your mouth.  Someone needs to tell him this.


 


 



JonJon
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Dedicate your energies to cultivating your own image.  I'm not worried about mine.

All liberals are not equal, and not everyone who calls herself a liberal, is.  We don't all have to think or be the same.  That's the glory of being American.

Quoting Kate_Momof3:

Back off, JJ. 

You're starting to look like a fool.

Sincerely, 

A Fellow Liberal

Quoting JonJon:

You may not be voting for either but I've only seen you act pro-Romney.  Or anti-Obama.  Have I missed all the stuff you've written as to why you believe Romney should not be president?

Considering how jugmental you are, I'll bet you did a lousy job of judging high school debates.  High school debates are a bit different from Presidential debates, wouldn't you say?  I lot more hinges on them?

You are not objective and contradicted yourself.  You said the President was rude because of his behavior; shook his head (better than just shouting an interruption when he disagreed), scoffed?  I wonder what scoffing looks like to you.  I saw the President knit his eyebrows once when Romney said something he thought was incorrect.  Is that scoffing?  He's a human being; he reacts when someone tells a lie and Romney told a few.  The President shifted in an irritated way?  How about he was standing on a stage for 90 minutes and shifted to give that side of his body a rest?  I noticed how the President spent most of the time with his body weight resting on his left leg; the President is left-handed (means he's in his right mind) and left-legged be he had to give his leg a rest.

It's interesting, yet again to see the varying perspectives.  Did you correct all those people complaining the President didn't look at Romney, choosing instead to look at the audience, the camera, or the moderator?  I would seriously appreciate it if you'd provide me a link to the page(s) where you did that.

I always believe whatever I want to believe.

Quoting bluerooffarm:

 I judged high school debates while in college and I (again) taught debate to high school students.  Seeing as how I am not voting for either of these gentlemen, I believe that I am a bit more objective than most.  But whatever you want to believe.

Quoting JonJon:

You obviously never received training in how to objectively and accurately judge a debate.

Quoting bluerooffarm:

 His spoken words may have been polite, but his mannerisms were not.  He would have made a better impression if he had come out and said that he thought Romney was mistaken in x, y, and z.  He didn't.  He shook his head, scoffed at some of Romney's comments, shifted like he was agitated... however, he did not come out and say what was wrong and how it was wrong. 

Also I taught debate for 3 years in Virginia.  I always told my kids to either look at the back row of the audience or the moderator with a relaxed smile or straight face while the opposition was speaking.  Make VERY brief notes to yourself very quickly when a point strikes you during their speech.  Make sure to use the notes to articulate what you were thinking.  The moderator or judge has no idea what you are thinking and thoughts aren't debate.  You need to say it for it to count.

President Obama lost that debate and not because he was too polite.  I hope he brushes up on numbers and comes out swinging in the next debate because this one really bored me.

Quoting JonJon:

I'm getting the impression that you guys need to go back and watch the debate a couple more times.

The President was soft-spoken and controlled, he made definite statements as to what he's done and will continue to do while Romney said a whole lot of nothing.

It's surprised me that even the political "experts" decided the President could have done better because he was polite rather than being loutish the way Romney was.

Quoting bluerooffarm:

 While watching the debate, it looked to me as if he thought that his smirks, scoffs, and disinterest were answering for him.  Polite?  No way.  A polite person makes eye contact with the person, keeps a slight smile or straight face, and is interested in the other person's position.  I did not see that in the debate.  We the people needed to actually hear what was going on in his head when he was making what appeared to me to be smirks and scoffs.  We were not enlightened and we decided he lost the debate.  You can't win a debate with the things you are thinking....it needs to actually come out of your mouth.  Someone needs to tell him this.


 


 




          

imamomzilla
by on Oct. 11, 2012 at 5:44 PM
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 Never thought I'd do this but....

shake hand

 

Quoting Kate_Momof3:

Back off, JJ. 

You're starting to look like a fool.

Sincerely, 

A Fellow Liberal

Quoting JonJon:

You may not be voting for either but I've only seen you act pro-Romney.  Or anti-Obama.  Have I missed all the stuff you've written as to why you believe Romney should not be president?

Considering how jugmental you are, I'll bet you did a lousy job of judging high school debates.  High school debates are a bit different from Presidential debates, wouldn't you say?  I lot more hinges on them?

You are not objective and contradicted yourself.  You said the President was rude because of his behavior; shook his head (better than just shouting an interruption when he disagreed), scoffed?  I wonder what scoffing looks like to you.  I saw the President knit his eyebrows once when Romney said something he thought was incorrect.  Is that scoffing?  He's a human being; he reacts when someone tells a lie and Romney told a few.  The President shifted in an irritated way?  How about he was standing on a stage for 90 minutes and shifted to give that side of his body a rest?  I noticed how the President spent most of the time with his body weight resting on his left leg; the President is left-handed (means he's in his right mind) and left-legged be he had to give his leg a rest.

It's interesting, yet again to see the varying perspectives.  Did you correct all those people complaining the President didn't look at Romney, choosing instead to look at the audience, the camera, or the moderator?  I would seriously appreciate it if you'd provide me a link to the page(s) where you did that.

I always believe whatever I want to believe.

Quoting bluerooffarm:

 I judged high school debates while in college and I (again) taught debate to high school students.  Seeing as how I am not voting for either of these gentlemen, I believe that I am a bit more objective than most.  But whatever you want to believe.

Quoting JonJon:

You obviously never received training in how to objectively and accurately judge a debate.

Quoting bluerooffarm:

 His spoken words may have been polite, but his mannerisms were not.  He would have made a better impression if he had come out and said that he thought Romney was mistaken in x, y, and z.  He didn't.  He shook his head, scoffed at some of Romney's comments, shifted like he was agitated... however, he did not come out and say what was wrong and how it was wrong. 

Also I taught debate for 3 years in Virginia.  I always told my kids to either look at the back row of the audience or the moderator with a relaxed smile or straight face while the opposition was speaking.  Make VERY brief notes to yourself very quickly when a point strikes you during their speech.  Make sure to use the notes to articulate what you were thinking.  The moderator or judge has no idea what you are thinking and thoughts aren't debate.  You need to say it for it to count.

President Obama lost that debate and not because he was too polite.  I hope he brushes up on numbers and comes out swinging in the next debate because this one really bored me.

Quoting JonJon:

I'm getting the impression that you guys need to go back and watch the debate a couple more times.

The President was soft-spoken and controlled, he made definite statements as to what he's done and will continue to do while Romney said a whole lot of nothing.

It's surprised me that even the political "experts" decided the President could have done better because he was polite rather than being loutish the way Romney was.

Quoting bluerooffarm:

 While watching the debate, it looked to me as if he thought that his smirks, scoffs, and disinterest were answering for him.  Polite?  No way.  A polite person makes eye contact with the person, keeps a slight smile or straight face, and is interested in the other person's position.  I did not see that in the debate.  We the people needed to actually hear what was going on in his head when he was making what appeared to me to be smirks and scoffs.  We were not enlightened and we decided he lost the debate.  You can't win a debate with the things you are thinking....it needs to actually come out of your mouth.  Someone needs to tell him this.


 


 



 

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