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Although I do think the VP debate was very close to a draw, much of that is Biden's demeanor, which IMO really damaged his credibility. The GOP wasted no time highlighting it:

 

Now of course Biden was doing his "that's malarky stuff" laugh as a way to laugh off Ryan, but I found it grating and unbecoming after the first time. The thought that comes to me is, "This is a seasoned, mature politician with much more years under his belt, this is the Vice President. Is this really how he presents himself after all that?" While Ryan was articulate, he lacked gravitas and a bold manner, yet that is something he can grow into as a VP.

If Biden had reflected the respect due to his office, he would have won, IMO. Yet his manner, something we have little to no reason to expect him to change, was found wanting.

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by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 7:58 AM
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Meadowchik
by Gold Member on Oct. 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM

 

Quoting TAG_ur_it:

i laugh at people when i catch them in blatant lies too.  to me, it makes him much more relatable. that was the first time i've actually been able to enjoy hearing him speak. quite frankly, he's have won my vote in an instant if he'd have let his irish take over and just smacked the hell out of that little shit. 

Too bad Biden didn't smile when HE lied, no?  But, in his defense, it can be tiring to smile that much.

sammygrl77
by on Oct. 15, 2012 at 9:57 AM
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I thought he was quite entertaining. I love his personality.
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JonJon
by on Oct. 17, 2012 at 4:29 PM
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Quoting DixieL:

I thought he only laughed when he knew that he caught Ryan in another lie, and he couldn't wait to answer it. The president let all of Romneys lies go, on the first debate, which won't happen again. I think Joe smiled, everytime he caught Ryan in a lie, and I believe he swept up the floor with Ryan. The president won't let Romneys lies go this time. He will win, as big as Joe did.

Your predictions proved true. 

congratulations

          

JonJon
by on Oct. 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM

I'm looking for where I left off the last time I was here, saw this again and giggled again.  That's one of my favorite of Jeff's puppets.

Quoting Kathy489:

"Walter," comedian Jeff Dunham's dummy.

Joe Biden, Obama's dummy.


          

alnilam
by Member on Oct. 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM

this whole administration has me embarrassed just one of the many social faux pas

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Oct. 17, 2012 at 4:42 PM

A psychiatrist guest on a news show the day following the VP debate said if he saw a potential patient acting like Biden, he as a psychiatrist would want to examine him for possible early signs of dementia - and he was serious. He said with early dementia, you can still have good memory. He mentioned Biden's affect being way off, emotionally appearing abnormal for the average person or someone in his position, and disturbing behavior. To me, not a psychiatrist, it seemed like a possible mood disorder or other mental health problem. Or meds? I don't know, but something was off.

JonJon
by on Oct. 17, 2012 at 6:58 PM


Quoting pvtjokerus:

You crack me up JJ. I put both of your quotes and you have the nerve to to say that I misrepresented what you wrote. 

Why do people lie when all anyone has to do is merely look down?

No, I copied what you wrote on one posting and quoted you on the other posting and simply asked you which one was the truth.  Was it comment A or was it comment B? 

There's no comments here marked A or B so you're going to have to spell it out if you want an answer. 

Because they were the opposites but yet you still have yet tell your readers which way you are flip flopping today.

Do I have readers, Private Joker, or are you having a private joke at my expense?  I feel special. 

I still can't answer your questions without specifics but while I try to be open-minded and have been known to change my stance given compelling data a couple times in the last four years I've been a member of CM, I don't flip-flop.  As usual, you either misunderstand or deliberately misrepresent and/or deliberatley misstate.

Let me see if I got this right.  You are actually saying that being the President of the United States is on the job training but the VP is not?  I want to make sure that I am understanding you before I comment.

I always enjoy it when people ask rather than tell me what I mean.  As you asked so sweetly, I'm willing to repeat myself; The Presidency is always ojt, except for those Vice-Presidents who successfully get elected into their bosses' jobs or who take over due to death or scandal, i.e. Johnson, Nixon, Ford and G.H.W. Bush because they sit in on all the meetings the President does, knows everything and everyone the President knows.  The Vice-Presidency is always ojt as it never happens that an ex-President has ever been willing to run for VP and no one-term VP would ever be allowed by the parties to run because he could only be VP again for one term and they need him to be able to be a two-term VP.

Let's talk straight facts. 

It's always delightful Private Joker how you announce what you write are facts without providing anything to support your "facts" as if it's that easy to make us believe anything you get into your head to write.

The Consulates Office requested security.  It was denied.  Who denied it?  The State Department. 

Not true.  All the facts are not known.  The Secretary of state has empanelled a blue ribbon commission to investigate the events and the House Oversight Committee is trying to determine the facts. 

Did Intel indicate that there was a security threat? Yes it did. 

Of course it did.  There's always a security threat in Libya. 

Was the administration aware of this, yes it was according to those that have come out and commented on it. 

Who has come out and commented on it? 

Of course the administration was aware of the threat not only to Libya's but to all the embassies in the Middle East.  Last night the President said they increased security at all the embassies "in the area" when they learned of the attack. 

The real question is, "Did anyone in the intelligence community, and there are 17 agencies in the intel community, come right out and specifically say, "On September 11 at about 10p there will be a deadly terrorist attack on the embassy?"  I haven't heard anyone, not even Romney/Ryan say that.

I did hear Biden say Ryan reduced the embassy security budget to $300M less than the administration asked for; I didn't hear Ryan deny it or defend the decrease. 

Was the administration aware of what happen right after the attack took place?  Yes, it did based on this week's previous hearings. 

Last night the President said when they were alerted of the attack they immediately dispatched more security to the embassy. 

Did Biden have this Intel?  You bet he did. 

He never denied being made aware of the attack on the embassy. 

Did Biden throw the Intel community under the bus? 

Biden didn't throw the intel community under the bus.  He said the administration was at first told by intel there was a protest at the embassy and that intel changed (upgraded) their assessment and the administration acted on the new information and sent reinforcements to the embassy. 

Yes he did during the debate.

No, he didn't.  Now, have Romney/Ryan tried to throw the administration under the bus?  Yes, they did, as soon as they were debriefed (I knew it wasn't a good idea to let Romney in on sensitive info) and before they or anyone else in the states had all the facts of what happened including who and how many were dead.  Instead of presenting a united front against terrorism, Romney decided to take advantage of and exploit what happened to his benefit and no apologies; he didn't name his book that for nothing.  I don't want a man in office who believes in "No Aplogies."  Disgusting. 

Here's an excerpt from an article I read: 

Ambassador Christopher Stevens died of smoke inhalation when he was trapped alone in the burning consulate building on 11 September. Three other officials were killed, and three wounded.Earlier this week, the father of Ambassador Stevens said it would be "abhorrent" to turn his son's death into a campaign issue."Our position is it would be a real shame if this were politicised," Jan Stevens said. (BBC)

Link to full article:  http://fox13now.com/2012/10/10/committee-hears-testimony-about-deadly-libya-attacks/

And did he lied.  Yes, he did.  

Nope; he didn't. 

You can not ignore the facts. 

But you can and do.  

As for Ryan's qualifications.  We need someone that can crutch numbers and get this economy back in line.  

Obama has a guy who does that, and for cheaper pay than Ryan would get as VP. 

Obama and Biden had a chance and the only thing they have accomplished is getting our credit rating lowered,

From AAA to AA- according S&P and from AA+ to AA according to Egan-Jones.  Wow; how the mighty have fallen.  The President will have four more years to improve the credit rating. 

putting our agencies at  a detriment for not giving them a budget for over 3 1/2 years,

I gave Ryan credit for not telling that lie, again, during the debate.  Too bad you don't get such credit.  Your credit rating with JJ tanked some time ago, Private Joke R Us. 

weakening our foreign policy

LOL!  I'm not sure what you mean by that; do you mean our image has been damaged?  The USA has regained a lot of the respect it lost during Bush's administration. 

and hurting our economy by not knowing what the heck they were doing. 

Romney couldn't make that lie float last night, you can't make it float, today.


 

Quoting JonJon:

You're a glutton for punishment.

  1. Typical of you and your ilk, you deliberately misrepresent what I wrote.  I didn't say laughing in anyone's face is a great debate skill, I said it's a tactic that Biden employed to unnerve Ryan and it worked.  I don't believe the President should or will do that but I expect the President will smile at some of Romney's lies and flip-flops when next they meet.
  2. Actually, the job of POTUS is on-the-job training for all but the VPs who successfully take over from their bosses but some men bring more and and some bring less of the right kind of experience to the job.  Anyone can crunch numbers as Paul Ryan does, but not everyone comes to the office with the people skills,  foreign affairs and other experience President Obama received when he co-chairman of the committee on foreign affairs...wait, here's a list of the committees on which Senator Obama sat: 


          

JonJon
by on Oct. 17, 2012 at 7:12 PM


Quoting funnymommy71:

READ the whole post.  

Your erroneous conclusion is that I didn't, despite the fact I demonstrated I did. 

I WAS a democrat (registered) and voted Obama/ Biden in 2008.  Due to the ineptness of the Democtratic party as a whole- I am NOW a registered Independent- the Republicans are way to far the the right for me.  

I saw a caption in a cartoon today of two dogs in front of a computer that read, "Online, no one knows you're a dog."  I'd like to paraphrase and write, "Online, no one knows you're a Republican pretending to be an ex-Democrat turned Independent saying you hate Obama so people will get the idea to vote independent and split the vote, giving Romney a better chance of sneaking in the back door of the White House." 

Last time I checked, you can change affiliations AND your mind on about this Change is going.

I've always respected a woman's prerogative to change her mind.

4 years into this is not too quick to jump ship on giving up on the Democrats or this administration.

That's mighty fickle of a supposed lifetime Democrat but hey, you have a right to be wrong. 

Fake and insulting.........I find Biden's behavior fake and insulting.  

Some people have no Spidey-sense. 

And apparently you are SOOOO on the defensive to BASH me and how I perceived this debate.

Actually, I'm bashing what I believe is a deliberate misrepresentation of your past "alliance" to the Democrats. 

 Why so defensive and nasty? 

I don't consider myself nasty nor defensive.   

Pls next time, read posts and show some class.

Heh.  Class this

Quoting JonJon:

Unlike private joker, I find your reply fake and insulting.  You believe it's that easy to come in here and say anything and we'll swallow it whole.  You contradict yourself a few times on of those times being when you say you are a Democrat, then you say you are an independent. 

For someone who says she's a Demoncrat and has liked Biden since before he was VP, you jumped ship pretty easily and pretty readily; I don't believe anything you wrote about having ever voted Democrat because no Democrat would risk Romney/Ryan.  They are not made of the right stuff and every sentient being on the planet, including honest Republicans, know it.

Quoting funnymommy71:

"Well seasoned veteran".. and debate savvy?  I know high school and law school debaters who were clearly upset by his demeanor (that act more maturely than do) watching this.   Look, I voted Obama/Biden in 2008.   I LIKED Biden, I really did even before he was picked as VP, knew he was brassy and hard lined.  BUT, This is potential PRESIDENTIAL behavior in the only VP debate?  COCKY, brazen and quite honestly BACK- PEDALLING as hard as he had to to dig out Obama's Epic fail....... I am an Independent- former Democrat and I am SO embarrassed and disgusted in his antics.  He came off as an ass, period.  I could not care less what came out of his mouth, because his Cheshire cat grin and constant laughter fouled it all.  This is their strategy to win another election? I really don't think any of our problems are laughable and showed disgrace. HE  lost this Independent and SOOO many of us I know of. P.S. Don't buy the Ryan was going to cry, he was just as upset as millions others were in Biden's 3 year old behavior. My 4 year old daughter pulls this stuff.  If Ryan reacted as Biden, the media would be all over him as a nut job- Ryan was clearly trying to be the adult though 28 years his junior.  How would you REACT to this kind of crap as a Mom.  Can't give Biden a time out- though he clearly needs a permanent one.  Not real crazy about Romney either, but he was a thousand times better than the seasoned Biden in his debate.  LOVED Me some Ron Paul that threw all the Corporate whore's under the bus in his debates!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. I did not touch the many issues addressed in debate as off topic here, as this was clearly about Biden's behavior only.  

Ron Paul- not forgotten........ never was bought out as a WHORE as the other 4.  Pass it on.  3 party system.........a dream

Quoting JonJon:

The Vice-President deftly disarmed the usually cocky, arrogant Ryan by laughing in his face!  That Biden is debate-savy!  It worked, too, because Ryan's face was red from embarrassment almost the whole time and his throat was so dry he drank half a pitcher of water. At one point, Ryan's eyes got watery; I thought he was going to cry

You shouldn't be advocating the Vice-Presidency as on-the-job training for Ryan.  Let's stay with the well-seasoned political veteran who has know "Bibi" Netanyahu for 39 years.





          

JonJon
by on Oct. 17, 2012 at 7:29 PM


Quoting SallyMJ:

A psychiatrist guest on a news show the day following the VP debate said if he saw a potential patient acting like Biden, he as a psychiatrist would want to examine him for possible early signs of dementia - and he was serious. He said with early dementia, you can still have good memory. He mentioned Biden's affect being way off, emotionally appearing abnormal for the average person or someone in his position, and disturbing behavior. To me, not a psychiatrist, it seemed like a possible mood disorder or other mental health problem. Or meds? I don't know, but something was off.

Really?  Was the news show on Fox?  Can you produce video?  I'd truly like to see it.

I saw something online about Mitt Romney's mental health:


Mitt Romney's Psychiatric Symptoms


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opednews.com

I watched Mitt Romney give a speech at a rally and he spoke about the four dead in Bengazi. His facial expressions were bizarre and inappropriate. He said that the ambassador was "wonderful," then paused, looking for another, better word. He couldn't think of one, so he said it again, vacuously, "wonderful." Then, he smiled in a strange, even more inappropriate way, making a remark about a moment of silence that he didn't invoke. 

Then, there's the way he keeps revising the truth, changing the narrative in distorted, dishonest way. 

The first symptom-- inappropriate affect-- reminded me of when I worked as part of an emergency psychiatry team. Inappropriate affect was a common symptom of mental illness-- psychosis that would warrant involuntary psychiatric hospitalization. 

That got me thinking. Another symptom was "confabulation" delusional ways of seeing. Freedictionary.com defines confabulation as:
"to fill in gaps in one's memory with fabrications that one believes to be facts."

Now, I don't think Romney needs to be hospitalized involuntarily, but these symptoms do add to the concern I have when I think about Mitt Romney as president.

BTW, there IS another psychiatric category where you see inappropriate affect of a different sort-- sociopath, also called psychopath. 
Link:  http://www.opednews.com/articles/Mitt-Romney-s-Psychiatric-by-Rob-Kall-120913-964.html

          

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Oct. 17, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Sorry, I don't usually make video of news, only movies, or drama or comedy TV series. Don't want to go overboard on news!! :) Biden's affect and behavior were definitely off, were not normal.  I wondered at the time, and wonder now, if Biden may have been manic or hypomanic during the debate. I have family members with bipolar disorder, so I know what it's like, especially when the pressure is high. I think it's worth considerating - Obviously a psychiatrist would have to make the diagnosis. It's not that unusual - About 5% of Americans have it. Biden seemed to me to exhibit a number of manic symptoms during the debate: (see URL below):

Abnormally elevated or grandiose mood

Pressured speech

Abnormal irritability

Easily excited to enthusiasm, anger, agitation or another emotion

Inappropriate humor and behaviors

Flight of ideas

Racing thoughts

http://bipolar.about.com/od/maniahypomani1/a/mania.htm 

Quoting JonJon:


Quoting SallyMJ:

A psychiatrist guest on a news show the day following the VP debate said if he saw a potential patient acting like Biden, he as a psychiatrist would want to examine him for possible early signs of dementia - and he was serious. He said with early dementia, you can still have good memory. He mentioned Biden's affect being way off, emotionally appearing abnormal for the average person or someone in his position, and disturbing behavior. To me, not a psychiatrist, it seemed like a possible mood disorder or other mental health problem. Or meds? I don't know, but something was off.

Really?  Was the news show on Fox?  Can you produce video?  I'd truly like to see it.

I saw something online about Mitt Romney's mental health:


Mitt Romney's Psychiatric Symptoms


By (about the author)     Permalink



opednews.com

I watched Mitt Romney give a speech at a rally and he spoke about the four dead in Bengazi. His facial expressions were bizarre and inappropriate. He said that the ambassador was "wonderful," then paused, looking for another, better word. He couldn't think of one, so he said it again, vacuously, "wonderful." Then, he smiled in a strange, even more inappropriate way, making a remark about a moment of silence that he didn't invoke. 

Then, there's the way he keeps revising the truth, changing the narrative in distorted, dishonest way. 

The first symptom-- inappropriate affect-- reminded me of when I worked as part of an emergency psychiatry team. Inappropriate affect was a common symptom of mental illness-- psychosis that would warrant involuntary psychiatric hospitalization. 

That got me thinking. Another symptom was "confabulation" delusional ways of seeing. Freedictionary.com defines confabulation as:
"to fill in gaps in one's memory with fabrications that one believes to be facts."

Now, I don't think Romney needs to be hospitalized involuntarily, but these symptoms do add to the concern I have when I think about Mitt Romney as president.

BTW, there IS another psychiatric category where you see inappropriate affect of a different sort-- sociopath, also called psychopath. 
Link:  http://www.opednews.com/articles/Mitt-Romney-s-Psychiatric-by-Rob-Kall-120913-964.html


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