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Romney asked about Blacks and the Mormon Church *Video*

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I don't really care about Blacks and the Mormon Church but I thought it was interesting how Romney handled the questions.  Check his last appearance in the video; he hesitated a long as he searched for the "right" way to answer the question to satisfy the reporter.  He should have been better prepared to answer that question. 

          

by on Oct. 13, 2012 at 8:33 AM
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conniejo75
by on Oct. 13, 2012 at 12:04 PM
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Polygamy. Yes... it was practiced by other religions too and still is in other countries.
The rest is propaganda. ETA:
I am an "ex" Mormon as well but I don't bash anyone's religion.


Quoting norwgnwood:

It didn't just exclude blacks. Mormons believe(d) in polygamy because heaven has all these souls that need bodies therefore it was important to have as many babies a possible. Good souls go to white people and bad souls go to black people. The is what a former Mormon friend told me while discussing the religion.

Quoting JonJon:

Another one who doesn't lose sleep over the truth.

This post isn't about religion; it's about Romney refusing to acknowledge his church once excluded blacks from joining,about how he couldn't say that's all changed and quote how many blacks have been accepted into the church.  I'm sure if he knew any black Mormons he'd have said so.  It's about how Mitt did not immediately say he believed the whole Bible or instead saying something about how the Bible is ancient and that it includes practices that are not currently condoned by today's society that he doesn't advocate such as stoning people to death or polygamy. 

It's a post about how Mitt practices avoidance and is willing to refer to his religion but when others ask about it, he acts uncomfortable and uncertain.

Quoting Simmeringhearts:

The only reason she is focusing on religion because it is Romney. Biden is a practicing catholic. But, he supports abortion. I won't hold my breath for a clip on Biden.



Quoting conniejo75:

I do not believe it is right to focus on religion when this is a political race. Everyone can find good and bad in all religion.





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JonJon
by Bronze Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 12:06 PM

That's brand new information.  Fascinating.  Thanks.

Quoting norwgnwood:

It didn't just exclude blacks. Mormons believe(d) in polygamy because heaven has all these souls that need bodies therefore it was important to have as many babies a possible. Good souls go to white people and bad souls go to black people. The is what a former Mormon friend told me while discussing the religion.

Quoting JonJon:

Another one who doesn't lose sleep over the truth.

This post isn't about religion; it's about Romney refusing to acknowledge his church once excluded blacks from joining,about how he couldn't say that's all changed and quote how many blacks have been accepted into the church.  I'm sure if he knew any black Mormons he'd have said so.  It's about how Mitt did not immediately say he believed the whole Bible or instead saying something about how the Bible is ancient and that it includes practices that are not currently condoned by today's society that he doesn't advocate such as stoning people to death or polygamy. 

It's a post about how Mitt practices avoidance and is willing to refer to his religion but when others ask about it, he acts uncomfortable and uncertain.

Quoting Simmeringhearts:

The only reason she is focusing on religion because it is Romney. Biden is a practicing catholic. But, he supports abortion. I won't hold my breath for a clip on Biden.


Quoting conniejo75:

I do not believe it is right to focus on religion when this is a political race. Everyone can find good and bad in all religion.




          

JonJon
by Bronze Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 12:13 PM

How exciting to have an ex-Mormon participating.  I almost called you bunny because your sn looks like conejo which is Spanish for rabbit, Connie Jo.

May I please ask some questions? 

1)  Where did you live as a practicing Mormon?

2)  How many years were you a Mormon?

3)  How many black Mormons were in your congregation or whatever the group at your temple was called

4)  Why did you leave?

5)  NW's statement is propaganda will you please make corrections to it? 

6)  There's no truth in what she wrote, at all?

Quoting conniejo75:

Polygamy. Yes... it was practiced by other religions too and still is in other countries.
The rest is propaganda. ETA:
I am an "ex" Mormon as well but I don't bash anyone's religion.


Quoting norwgnwood:

It didn't just exclude blacks. Mormons believe(d) in polygamy because heaven has all these souls that need bodies therefore it was important to have as many babies a possible. Good souls go to white people and bad souls go to black people. The is what a former Mormon friend told me while discussing the religion.

Quoting JonJon:

Another one who doesn't lose sleep over the truth.

This post isn't about religion; it's about Romney refusing to acknowledge his church once excluded blacks from joining,about how he couldn't say that's all changed and quote how many blacks have been accepted into the church.  I'm sure if he knew any black Mormons he'd have said so.  It's about how Mitt did not immediately say he believed the whole Bible or instead saying something about how the Bible is ancient and that it includes practices that are not currently condoned by today's society that he doesn't advocate such as stoning people to death or polygamy. 

It's a post about how Mitt practices avoidance and is willing to refer to his religion but when others ask about it, he acts uncomfortable and uncertain.

Quoting Simmeringhearts:

The only reason she is focusing on religion because it is Romney. Biden is a practicing catholic. But, he supports abortion. I won't hold my breath for a clip on Biden.



Quoting conniejo75:

I do not believe it is right to focus on religion when this is a political race. Everyone can find good and bad in all religion.






          

godotherightthi
by on Oct. 13, 2012 at 12:15 PM
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Mormon theology believes in something called stewardship.  A mormon president would not seek cousel from church leaders, because he (or she) would have stewardship over the country and would be entitled to direct revelation (through prayer and the holy spirit) as the leader of the United States. 

Just like I'm the only one entitled to hear of God's will for myself and my family - not my neighbor or their family.  I wouldn't go to my Bishop or Stake President for direction, I can get the answer myself.

Quoting -Eilish-:

Actually what should bother people is when he says that he would seek Providence in his decision making. Since Mormons believe that they have a living prophet with direct contact to God, and Mitt once held high positions in his church, I (as a Christian) would be concerned that he would be consulting his church president (their prophet) for decisions related to national policy. If you would be offended by a Muslim president seeking advice from his Imam, then this should be offensive to you.


JonJon
by Bronze Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 12:17 PM

He's made voluntary reference to his religion many times; almost every time he is on a platform.  He even mentioned religion or alluded to religion or his religous beliefs at the Republican convention.

Quoting conniejo75:

Exactly. His faith has not been part of his platform. In fact it is the media that tries to bring it up and he refuses to debate religion at all.


Quoting JonJon:


Quoting conniejo75:

I do not believe it is right to focus on religion when this is a political race. Everyone can find good and bad in all religion.

I agree.  I sure wish Romney would stop referring to his religion but I've never heard him say anything bad about it and to his credit I can't recall his saying anything bad about anyone else's religions.



          

Jambo4
by Gold Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM
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I was going to say that.

Romney has made it clear (and so has Harry Reid) that Romney is not a spokesman for the LDS church (Mormon).  He has been quite consistent in saying that you can take those questions to the LDS church for clarification.  Romney rarely mentions it.  The media tries to bring it in.

I think Romney's words answer many concerns:

 the best response to them comes in words Romney spoke in 2008, echoing a 1960 speech by John F. Kennedy on the role of Catholicism in his life. Said Romney:

Almost 50 years ago another candidate from Massachusetts explained that he was an American running for president, not a Catholic running for president. Like him, I am an American running for president. I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith. Let me assure you that no authorities of my church, or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions. Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin.

Quoting conniejo75:

Exactly. His faith has not been part of his platform. In fact it is the media that tries to bring it up and he refuses to debate religion at all.

Quoting JonJon:

Quoting conniejo75:

I do not believe it is right to focus on religion when this is a political race. Everyone can find good and bad in all religion.

I agree.  I sure wish Romney would stop referring to his religion but I've never heard him say anything bad about it and to his credit I can't recall his saying anything bad about anyone else's religions.



imamomzilla
by on Oct. 13, 2012 at 12:42 PM
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 Is this another dishonest Bait & Switch post?

JJ needs a new hobby.

Jambo4
by Gold Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM
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Jambo4
by Gold Member on Oct. 13, 2012 at 12:52 PM
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boy... that video was slow... it would last about half as long if they snipped down all the waiting in-between the quotes.  How long do they think it takes to read a quote?  They must think those watching are incredibly slow. 

-Eilish-
by Johnson 2012 on Oct. 13, 2012 at 2:22 PM

I hope you're right, but alas - history proves that presidents often seek council from unauthorized sources.

Quoting godotherightthi:

Mormon theology believes in something called stewardship.  A mormon president would not seek cousel from church leaders, because he (or she) would have stewardship over the country and would be entitled to direct revelation (through prayer and the holy spirit) as the leader of the United States. 

Just like I'm the only one entitled to hear of God's will for myself and my family - not my neighbor or their family.  I wouldn't go to my Bishop or Stake President for direction, I can get the answer myself.

Quoting -Eilish-:

Actually what should bother people is when he says that he would seek Providence in his decision making. Since Mormons believe that they have a living prophet with direct contact to God, and Mitt once held high positions in his church, I (as a Christian) would be concerned that he would be consulting his church president (their prophet) for decisions related to national policy. If you would be offended by a Muslim president seeking advice from his Imam, then this should be offensive to you.




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