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Loose Lips Sink Ships

Posted by on Oct. 20, 2012 at 12:31 PM
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Romney's manufactured scandal is going to bite him in the butt.

The expression, "Loose lips sinks ships" was coined during WWII as advice to servicemen and civilians who received their letters and means unguarded talk may give useful information to the enemy.

The Republicans are trying to act as if there is some sort of cover-up regarding the deaths at the Benghazi consulate but the fact of the matter is that the President can't tell us all he knows and he shouldn't because what he tells us he tells the whole world.  I don't understand why Romney doesn't understand that! 

It reminds me of the first Gulf War when General Schwartzkopf  or General Powell held debriefings for the press corps.  Those people asked for specific details on strategy and troop movements; insisted on it!  They all but accused those two guys of holding back information from the public that had a right to know what was happening to their sons and daughters.  Schwartzkopf finally had to tell them that the enemy was listening.  He shouldn't have had to tell intelligent people that keeping militar information from going public saves lives and no one should have to tell us today that keeping information from going public is saving American lives.

There are still many Americans working and living in hot zones in the Middle East and in cities and countries that have a sizeable Muslim population.  I was worried when angry protesters burned down the American embassy in Berlin because my daughter lives in Berlin and lives in a Muslim neighborhood (no, neither she nor her husband are Muslim).  I share this information to remind folks that there were indeed people protesting that video in Cairo, other locations in the Middle East, in Europe AND in the US.  These are the titles of some articles on the Al-Jazeera site: 


Violent protests in Tunisia, Yemen, Sudan and elsewhere as crowds target US, UK and German embassies.

Demonstrations over movie trailer made in US and deemed insulting to Islam spread across Middle East and North Africa.

Islamic scholar Moataz al-Khateeb explains what is behind a wave of recent protests over an anti-Islam video.

Angry Muslims around the world storm US embassies and attack slapstick film considered offensive to Prophet Muhammad.

There absolutely were protests and demonstrations; the attempts by Romney and people in this group to pretend as if there weren't is nothing more than malicious manipulations of the truth for political gratification.

The President has stoically endured all the lies and attacks for the sake of the MANY AMERICANS STILL IN HARM'S WAY.

The President and the Secretary of State have allowed us to doubt and question for the sake of the Americans who could be held responsible for anything the President and the SoS say.

Look at what happened when some unknown hack's poor-quality video many high school kids could have done better went viral.  What do you believe would happen if the President held a press conference as Romney did to say his God is everyone's God and that our Constitution must be accepted as the wa to do things by people all over the world and that we will force the world to accept our values and our ways of thinking and doing things? 

What do you suppose would happen if the President gave Al-Qaeda credit for killing Americans, including two security personnel at a formidably built and protected installation?  Do you suppose that would make Al-Qaeda feel superior whether they did it or not?  Do you suppose that might result in impressionable young men, those who merely burned flags in front of embassies, the idea to seek out and join Al-Qaeda?

The President and the Secretary of State have told us as much as they can.  If they wanted to start talking in ways that could be taken or mistaken as words of aggression by people who already suspect and dislike Americans, they'd have to first evacuate all American civilians and increase military presence, both acts of which could be interpreted by our host countries as precursors of war which would result in their blocking Americans leaving and holding them hostage to keep from being bombed by American military.. 

While Romney paid lipservice to war as a last resort to hostilities toward Americans, he pretty much insinuated he would have been considering declaring war on Libya.  We Americans are tired of war; we prefer diplomacy, don't we?

Yes, the President has taken responsiblity for what happened; as Commander-in-Chief he's expected to do no less.  Even Romney acknowledged the President's doing so is the right thing to do so why is he making this a means of furthering his bid for President instead of showing the world that no matter what side of the aisle we are on, Americans stick together and hold fast against and all aggressors? 

Loose lips sink ships, Romney.  Zip it.  sealed lip

          

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jcrew6
by Jenney on Oct. 20, 2012 at 12:48 PM
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"The Republicans are trying to act as if there is some sort of cover-up regarding the deaths at the Benghazi consulate but the fact of the matter is that the President can't tell us all he knows and he shouldn't because what he tells us he tells the whole world. I don't understand why Romney doesn't understand that! "


What????? Obama went to the UN and blamed a video. Carney, Hillary and Rice blamed spontaneous protests that never occurred. I don't understand why YOU don't understand this. He and his administration lied, called it a bump,in the road, and not optimal. Disgraceful.
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jcrew6
by Jenney on Oct. 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM
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The Obama admin used taxpayer money to create and air commercials in the Middle East to apologize for a YouTube video.
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jcrew6
by Jenney on Oct. 20, 2012 at 1:08 PM
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Ohh and loose lips? Joe "loose lips" Biden is the expert in this category. LOL.....

Biden to republican " the bullet is aimed at you".
"The middle class has been buried the last 4 years".
"Folks, I can tell you I've known eight presidents, three of them intimately"
"I promise you, the president has a big stick. I promise you."
"They're going to put y'all back in chains."
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JonJon
by Bronze Member on Oct. 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM


Quoting jcrew6:

"The Republicans are trying to act as if there is some sort of cover-up regarding the deaths at the Benghazi consulate but the fact of the matter is that the President can't tell us all he knows and he shouldn't because what he tells us he tells the whole world. I don't understand why Romney doesn't understand that! "


What????? Obama went to the UN and blamed a video.
He said there's no video that justifies an attack on an embassy.  There was an attack on the embassy in Cairo by angry citizens because of the video: 
.
Carney, Hillary and Rice blamed spontaneous protests that never occurred.
Protests occurred all throughout the Muslim countries and in countries with Muslim communities all over the world.  I'll need you to produce transcripts or video as the basis for your statement.  All reported what they knew to be true at the times they spoke.  On 9-16 Susan Rice said on that at that time (the 16th) intel believed the protest at the consulate started as a spontaneous protest and that extremist opportunists used that as a distraction to wage their assault.  Link to video
On 9-14 Carney said the administration had been aware of concerns for security at the embassy in Cairo but were not aware of a request for more security at Benghazi.  Link to video
The day after the murders, Clinton said, they were "working to determine the precise methods and motivations of those who carried out this assault."  She said, "Some have sought to justifiy this vicious behavior along with the protest that happened at Cairo yesterday as a response to inflammorty material posted on the internet." That's not her saying the murders were due to a video.  She went on to say there's no justification for violence.  Link to video (7:00)
I don't understand why YOU don't understand this. He and his administration lied,
Again, links to the proof they lied...about what, now?
called it a bump,in the road, and not optimal. Disgraceful.

The "bump in the road" statement was in regards to his prediction there would be challenges in getting people to accept the changes in their government and ideology and way of life.

The President was referring to the communications between the Cairo Embassay and the Benghazi Consulate not being optimal and said that would be fixed.

Disgraceful, indeed, are the false accusations of our leaders and the finger-pointing, not at the insurgents who killed Americans, but the man who is going to do everything in his power to bring them to justice.


          

JonJon
by Bronze Member on Oct. 20, 2012 at 4:10 PM


Quoting jcrew6:

The Obama admin used taxpayer money to create and air commercials in the Middle East to apologize for a YouTube video.

Embassy personnel made a statement advising the people of Cairo that Americans don't advocate denouncing or disrespecting people's religions: 

"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others." 

Link

The statement was released before receiving feedback from the State Department.  There's a reason they write procedures handbooks but a lot of people refuse to read them or follow them 100% of the time.  I, personally, believe it's a pretty good statement but it could use a little tweaking; I wouldn't have named any particular religion, at all and I also would have left out any reference to 9-11 and enemies of democracy because that could so be misinterpreted and misunderstood..

          

brandydesiree
by Bronze Member on Oct. 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM
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I agree that what they tell us, they tell the world. Which is exactly why he and his admin shouldn't be giving our withdrawal date from afghan to the freaking world. What we know, they know, and we all know that it is very smart to let your enemy know your game plan. LOL..We are so lucky our life isn't the game of RISK, because we'd lose.

JonJon
by Bronze Member on Oct. 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM
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This post isn't about Joe's flubbed lines, statements sophomoric-minded people can make into double-entendre and non-funny, embarrassing quips.  We've all said stupid things at one time and another.

Quoting jcrew6:

Ohh and loose lips? Joe "loose lips" Biden is the expert in this category. LOL.....

Biden to republican " the bullet is aimed at you".
"The middle class has been buried the last 4 years".
"Folks, I can tell you I've known eight presidents, three of them intimately"
"I promise you, the president has a big stick. I promise you."
"They're going to put y'all back in chains."


          

JonJon
by Bronze Member on Oct. 20, 2012 at 4:16 PM


Quoting brandydesiree:

I agree that what they tell us, they tell the world. Which is exactly why he and his admin shouldn't be giving our withdrawal date from afghan to the freaking world. What we know, they know, and we all know that it is very smart to let your enemy know your game plan. LOL..We are so lucky our life isn't the game of RISK, because we'd lose.

Oh?  What's the date? 

          

DSamuels
by Gold Member on Oct. 20, 2012 at 4:20 PM
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There is PROOF there were NO protests going on in Benghazi that night. They have video from outside the consulate and NO ONE was out there protesting. There were protests in other countries, yes, but NOT where the 4 were killed.

The CIA sent a cable within 24 hours saying it was a militant attack.

Amb. Stevens sent many requests for more security detailing the reasons. He sent a 3 page cable the day of the attack.

I think you are probably a very intelligent woman, but you are refusing to see facts in this case. Do some research and look beyond liberal websites.

From USA Today:
6:58AM EDT October 19. 2012 - WASHINGTON (AP) — The CIA station chief in Libya reported to Washington within 24 hours of last month's deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate that there was evidence it was carried out by militants, not a spontaneous mob upset about an American-made video ridiculing Islam's Prophet Muhammad, U.S. officials have told The Associated Press.

It is unclear who, if anyone, saw the cable outside the CIA at that point and how high up in the agency the information went. The Obama administration maintained publicly for a week that the attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans was a result of the mobs that staged less-deadly protests across the Muslim world around the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks on the U.S.

Those statements have become highly charged political fodder as the presidential election approaches. A Republican-led House committee questioned State Department officials for hours about what Republican lawmakers said was lax security at the consulate, given the growth of extremist Islamic militants in North Africa.

Washington Times:
Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, in a diplomatic cable from Libya last June, cited the apparent rise of “Islamic extremism” and the spotting of “the Al Qaeda flag” over buildings outside the city of Benghazi, where he and three other Americans were ultimately killed in an attack on Sept. 11.
The previously classified cable is among 166 pages of documents made public Friday by Rep. Darryl E. Issa, the Republican chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, who says they expose an egregious shortage of security around the U.S. diplomatic missions in Libya during the period leading up to last month’s attack.
Mr. Issa sent the documents to the White House Friday with a letter calling on the administration to explain why “repeated warnings about a worsening security situation appear to have been ignored” in Libya. The committee’s top Democrat, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, described the move as an “undeniably partisan” attempt to politicize the incident ahead of Monday’s foreign policy debate between Mitt Romney and President Obama.
The documents include a June 25 cable in which Mr. Stevens cited an uptick in attacks occurring in Libya “targeting international organizations and foreign interests.” He went on to point out a June attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, which involved the explosion of an improvised bomb.


Read more: Ambassador Stevens warned of Islamic extremism before Benghazi attack - Washington Times http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/20/ambassador-stevens-warned-islamic-extremism-bengha/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS#ixzz29s8WHL4T
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From HuffPo:


State Dept reveals new details of Benghazi attack

BRADLEY KLAPPER | October 10, 2012 02:28 AM EST |

WASHINGTON — All was quiet outside the U.S. Consulate as evening fell on Benghazi and President Barack Obama's envoy to Libya was retiring after a day of diplomatic meetings.

There was no indication of the harrowing events that night would bring: assailants storming the compound and setting its buildings aflame, American security agents taking fire across more than a mile of the city, the ambassador and three employees killed and others forced into a daring car escape against traffic.

Senior State Department officials on Tuesday revealed for the first time certain details of last month's tragedy in the former Libyan rebel stronghold, such as the efforts of a quick reaction force that rushed onto the scene and led the evacuation in a fierce gun battle that continued into the streets. The briefing was provided a day before department officials were to testify to a House committee about the most serious attack on a U.S. diplomatic installation since al-Qaida bombed the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania 14 years ago.

The account answers some questions and leaves others unanswered. Chief among them is why for several days the Obama administration said the assault stemmed from a protest against an American-made Internet video ridiculing Islam, and whether the consulate had adequate security.

The officials, who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly on the matter, said Ambassador Chris Stevens arrived in Benghazi and held meetings on and off the consulate grounds on Sept. 10. He spent the night, and then out of prudence spent the whole of the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks meeting people inside the compound, an enclosed area about 300 yards long by 100 yards wide, with a 9-foot outer wall topped by barbed wire and augmented by barriers, steel drop bars and other security upgrades.

When Stevens finished his final meeting of the day, he escorted a Turkish diplomat outside the main entrance of the building. The situation was calm, the officials said, and there were no protests. Five U.S. agents and four local militiamen were providing security.

A little more than an hour later, around 9:40 p.m., everything changed.


The compound's agents were alerted by loud noises, gunfire and explosions near the front gate. A barracks near the entrance for the local militiamen was burned down. In the control center, agents watched on cameras as a large group of armed men flowed into the compound. They immediately sounded the alarm and made telephone calls to the embassy in Tripoli, officials in Washington, the Libyan authorities and the U.S. quick reaction force located at a second compound a little over a mile away.

One agent, armed with a sidearm and an assault rifle, took Stevens and State Department computer specialist Sean Smith to a safe room inside one of the compound's two main residences – an area protected by a heavy metal grill and several locks and stocked with medical supplies and water. The other agents rushed to equip themselves with long guns, body armor, helmets and ammunition at other buildings. Two tried to make it to the building with Stevens but took fire and were forced to retreat.

The attackers began to overrun the compound, the officials recounted. The intruders penetrated Stevens' building and tried to break the grill locks for the safe room but couldn't gain access. So they dumped cans of diesel fuel in the building, lit furniture on fire and set aflame part of the exterior of the building.

In the compound's other residence, two agents barricaded themselves against the attackers who had gotten inside the building. The attackers failed to enter the tactical operations center, where the last two agents were located, smashing the door but failing to break it.

Meanwhile, Stevens' building rapidly filled with thick diesel smoke and fumes from the burning furniture. Inside, visibility was less than 3 feet and, unable to breathe, the Americans went to a bathroom and opened a window, trying to get air. They decided to get out of the building. The security agent went first, flopping out onto a patio enclosed by sandbags and taking fire immediately.

Stevens and Smith didn't make it out, the officials said. The agent, suffering severely from smoke inhalation, went in and out of the building several times to look for them – in vain. He then climbed a ladder to the roof of the building and collapsed, radioing the other agents in a barely audible voice to alert them to the situation there.

The other four agents were able to then reunite, taking an armored vehicle to Stevens' building. They reached the collapsed agent and tried to set up a perimeter, taking turns going into the building and searching on hands and knees for the missing Americans. Smith was pulled out, dead. Stevens could not be found.

A six-member quick reaction security team arrived on the scene from its compound across town, the officials said. About 60 Libyan militiamen accompanied the team, and it again tried to secure a perimeter around Stevens' building, taking turns searching inside. Taking fire, the Libyan forces determined they couldn't hold the perimeter. An evacuation plan was quickly put in place to retreat to the reaction force's compound.

The evacuation proved anything but easy. Agents piled into an armored vehicle with Smith's body, facing immediate fire as they left through the main gate. Crowds and groups of men blocked two different routes to the security compound, so the Americans looked for an alternate way through heavy traffic at a speed of about 15 mph, so they wouldn't attract attention.

On a narrow street, according to officials, the agents reached a group of men who signaled for them to enter a compound. They sensed an ambush and sped away, but not before taking heavy fire from AK-47 machine guns at a distance of only 2 feet and hand grenades thrown against and under the car. Two tires were blown out.

They raced past another crowd of men and onto a main street, crossing a grassy median into opposing traffic. The agents then drove against oncoming traffic, eventually reaching their compound.

Once there they had to endure several more hours of intermittent gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades fired their way.

A team of reinforcements from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli arrived on a chartered aircraft at the Benghazi airport and reached the security compound.

But the Americans could do little when their main building was hit by mortar fire around 4 a.m. Two security personnel were killed, and one agent who had been involved in the earlier fighting was severely wounded.

The men decided to leave the city. They spent the next hours securing the annex and moving a large convoy of vehicles to the airport.

They flew out on two planes.


Quoting JonJon:


Quoting jcrew6:

"The Republicans are trying to act as if there is some sort of cover-up regarding the deaths at the Benghazi consulate but the fact of the matter is that the President can't tell us all he knows and he shouldn't because what he tells us he tells the whole world. I don't understand why Romney doesn't understand that! "





What????? Obama went to the UN and blamed a video.
He said there's no video that justifies an attack on an embassy.  There was an attack on the embassy in Cairo by angry citizens because of the video: 
.
Carney, Hillary and Rice blamed spontaneous protests that never occurred.
Protests occurred all throughout the Muslim countries and in countries with Muslim communities all over the world.  I'll need you to produce transcripts or video as the basis for your statement.  All reported what they knew to be true at the times they spoke.  On 9-16 Susan Rice said on that at that time (the 16th) intel believed the protest at the consulate started as a spontaneous protest and that extremist opportunists used that as a distraction to wage their assault.  Link to video
On 9-14 Carney said the administration had been aware of concerns for security at the embassy in Cairo but were not aware of a request for more security at Benghazi.  Link to video
The day after the murders, Clinton said, they were "working to determine the precise methods and motivations of those who carried out this assault."  She said, "Some have sought to justifiy this vicious behavior along with the protest that happened at Cairo yesterday as a response to inflammorty material posted on the internet." That's not her saying the murders were due to a video.  She went on to say there's no justification for violence.  Link to video (7:00)
I don't understand why YOU don't understand this. He and his administration lied,
Again, links to the proof they lied...about what, now?
called it a bump,in the road, and not optimal. Disgraceful.

The "bump in the road" statement was in regards to his prediction there would be challenges in getting people to accept the changes in their government and ideology and way of life.

The President was referring to the communications between the Cairo Embassay and the Benghazi Consulate not being optimal and said that would be fixed.

Disgraceful, indeed, are the false accusations of our leaders and the finger-pointing, not at the insurgents who killed Americans, but the man who is going to do everything in his power to bring them to justice.


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DSamuels
by Gold Member on Oct. 20, 2012 at 4:22 PM
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That last story, from the Huffington Post was actually used by Fox News last night in a special report. It was very interesting.
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