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"Do The Atheists In Wisconsin Realize They're Going To Hell?"

Posted by on Nov. 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM
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autodidact
by Silver Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:07 PM
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freaking hysterical. does the Loofah realize what atheist means? 




angelachristine
by Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM
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What an idiot! Atheists don't believe in hell so that isn't going to frighten them. Religious symbols have no business on public property on private property sure but not public. We are supposed to have a separation of church and state. Plus if you publicly endorse one religion the door is open for others to demand the same respect but I bet the Christians wouldn't like that either.

buttersworth
by Bronze Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:23 PM

There do appear, at least on the internet, to be a lot more atheists in this country than i ever remember. It seems like Christians are often persecuted in many ways, without much repercussion to the bullies. It seems like Christianity, as a whole, is mis-characterized more often than properly characterized.

However,

years ago i was a frequent viewer of O'Reilly on Fox, and he is a huge spin-miser, a proven hypocrit, a veteran of tabloid television (used to host a celebrity news show in the 90s), has a definite agenda which is probably an antithesis of truth, and basically makes real, true conservatives look like unfeeling, ingenuine jerks.

Friday
by Platinum Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM
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"The problem with the world today is there are too many stupid people.....and no one to eat em!"


~Carlos Mencia

babie113
by on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM

wow ...just wow

buttersworth
by Bronze Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:43 PM
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Quoting angelachristine:

What an idiot! Atheists don't believe in hell so that isn't going to frighten them. Religious symbols have no business on public property on private property sure but not public. We are supposed to have a separation of church and state. Plus if you publicly endorse one religion the door is open for others to demand the same respect but I bet the Christians wouldn't like that either.


He isn't trying to frighten atheists. He's trying to appeal to religious people. He's trying to look like he shares the opinions of Christians that make up a lot of republicans, which are predominantly his audience. He is not sincere, in my opinion.

A separation of church and state doesn't mean you can't acknowledge God in a public place. A separation was put in place by the founders so that someone like the Catholic pope did not have persuasion on affairs of the country. If the pope did, that would be unfair because not everyone is Catholic. But most people living in our country in those days were Christian (and actually not Catholic). Religious tolerance was called for when Congrationalists lived amongst Calvinists or Quakers, for example. The basis for our Constitution comes from Christian principles of individual sovereignty. We might not be exclusively Christian anymore, but the whole framework of our country comes from it, and Judeo-Christian laws.

A separation of church and state makes it so we don't decide legislation based solely on church canon. Like with the abortion debate, or contraception. - we don't follow any church's doctrine. But individuals can make their personal decisions based upon their religious beliefs, and they do, and they get representation, being Americans.

Christian iconography in public spaces is a freedom of expression, and also, part of our tradition and history.

Communists are the ones who forbid religious iconography from their public landscape. Theyhave no tolerance for any religion, probably because they see it as a threat to their power. Without religion in their way, they become the moral authority and can compel their people to do whatever they want for the good of their agenda.

There is no basis for any other religious iconography to be in places such as courthouses, libraries and congressional buildings, etc. Again, that is because our laws are based upon Christian principle. However, there are plenty of other religious iconographies in public places just not necessarilly historic places or those shared by communities, like a courthouse or banks.

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:52 PM
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This stuff is both funny and absurd. Many Americans seem to forget that the First Amendment freedom of religion consists of two parts:

1) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,

2) Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

The last 10-20 years, liberals seem to forget about the "free exercise" portion of religious freedom.

LucyMom08
by Silver Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 10:04 PM
When have Christians been stopped from going to church?

Quoting SallyMJ:

This stuff is both funny and absurd. Many Americans seem to forget that the First Amendment freedom of religion consists of two parts:

1) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,

2) Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

The last 10-20 years, liberals seem to forget about the "free exercise" portion of religious freedom.

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SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 10:46 PM
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Huh? Freedom of religion is so much broader than having the freedom to go to church. Are you familiar with the concept of suppression of free exercise? Did you get a chance to look at those 3 videos? That will explain a little more.

Quoting LucyMom08:

When have Christians been stopped from going to church?

Quoting SallyMJ:

This stuff is both funny and absurd. Many Americans seem to forget that the First Amendment freedom of religion consists of two parts:

1) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,

2) Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

The last 10-20 years, liberals seem to forget about the "free exercise" portion of religious freedom.


romalove
by SenseandSensibility on Nov. 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM
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Quoting buttersworth:

 

Quoting angelachristine:

What an idiot! Atheists don't believe in hell so that isn't going to frighten them. Religious symbols have no business on public property on private property sure but not public. We are supposed to have a separation of church and state. Plus if you publicly endorse one religion the door is open for others to demand the same respect but I bet the Christians wouldn't like that either.


He isn't trying to frighten atheists. He's trying to appeal to religious people. He's trying to look like he shares the opinions of Christians that make up a lot of republicans, which are predominantly his audience. He is not sincere, in my opinion.

A separation of church and state doesn't mean you can't acknowledge God in a public place. A separation was put in place by the founders so that someone like the Catholic pope did not have persuasion on affairs of the country. If the pope did, that would be unfair because not everyone is Catholic. But most people living in our country in those days were Christian (and actually not Catholic). Religious tolerance was called for when Congrationalists lived amongst Calvinists or Quakers, for example. The basis for our Constitution comes from Christian principles of individual sovereignty. We might not be exclusively Christian anymore, but the whole framework of our country comes from it, and Judeo-Christian laws.

A separation of church and state makes it so we don't decide legislation based solely on church canon. Like with the abortion debate, or contraception. - we don't follow any church's doctrine. But individuals can make their personal decisions based upon their religious beliefs, and they do, and they get representation, being Americans.

Christian iconography in public spaces is a freedom of expression, and also, part of our tradition and history.

Communists are the ones who forbid religious iconography from their public landscape. Theyhave no tolerance for any religion, probably because they see it as a threat to their power. Without religion in their way, they become the moral authority and can compel their people to do whatever they want for the good of their agenda.

There is no basis for any other religious iconography to be in places such as courthouses, libraries and congressional buildings, etc. Again, that is because our laws are based upon Christian principle. However, there are plenty of other religious iconographies in public places just not necessarilly historic places or those shared by communities, like a courthouse or banks.

 You have to make a distinction between "public private" and "public governmental".

Meaning, places like shopping malls, which we consider to be public places, are really private, because they are not owned by governmental entities.

Most of the country is not owned by the government.  Stores, restaurants, bowling alleys, sports stadiums, homes, farms, garages, houses of worship, your personal self, your car, your lawn, beauty salons, shopping malls....most places are owned by private individuals or companies and therefore are "public private".  All expression of religion that the property owner wishes is fine.

Municipal centers, schools, courthouses, police stations, city hall, these types of places are "public governmental" and are not places that there should be expression of religion, because that would indicate endorsement and be against First Amendment as most of the SCOTUS rulings show.

What persecution are Christians enduring in America?

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