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20 Obvious Truths That Will Shock Liberals

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1) The Founding Fathers were generally religious, gun-toting small government fanatics who were so far to the Right that they'd make Ann Coulter look like Jimmy Carter.


2) The greatest evil this country has ever committed isn't slavery; it's killing more than 50 million innocent children via abortion.


3) Conservatives are much more compassionate than liberals and all you have to do to prove it is look at all the studies showing that conservatives give more of their money to charity than liberals do.


4) When the Founding Fathers were actually around, there were official state religions and the Bible was used as a textbook in schools. The so-called "wall of separation between church and state" has absolutely nothing to do with the Constitution and everything to do with liberal hostility to Christianity.


5) The biggest problem with our economy today is Barack Obama. His demonization of successful people, his driving up gas prices, his regulatory overload and threats to increase taxes have terrified businesses into hunkering down, refusing to spend money, and declining to hire new people. Replacing him would do more than any government policy to spur economic growth.


6) Not only are conservatives more patriotic than liberals, but most American liberals "love" America in about the same way that a wife-beater loves his wife.


7) Out of every 100 cries of “Racism” you hear these days, 99 are motivated by nothing other than politics.


8) Anyone paying income taxes is certainly paying his “fair share" -- and then some -- compared to the people who pay.nothing.


9) You don't have a "right" to anything that other people have to pay to provide for you.


10) If we can ask people to present an ID to buy alcohol, drive a car, or get on an airplane, then asking them to present identification to vote is a no-brainer.


11) There's absolutely nothing that the government does smarter, better, or more efficiently than the private market with roughly equivalent resources.


12) The biggest problem with education in this country is liberals. They fight vouchers, oppose merit pay, refuse to get rid of terrible teachers, and bend over backwards to keep poor kids trapped in failing schools.


13) Fascism, socialism, and communism are all left-wing movements that have considerably more in common with modern liberalism than modern conservatism.

14) The Democratic Party was behind slavery, the KKK, and Jim Crow laws. It was also the party of Margaret Sanger, George Wallace, and Bull Connor. It has ALWAYS been a racist party. Even today, white liberals support Affirmative Action and racial set-asides because they still believe black Americans are too inferior to go up against whites on an even playing field.

15) A man with good morals who falls short and becomes a hypocrite is still a far better man than a liberal who can never be called a hypocrite because he has no morals at all.

16) The most dire threat to America’s future and prosperity in the last 150 years hasn’t been the Nazis, the Soviets, or Al-Qaeda;, it’s the spending and overreach of our own government.

17) Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what he earns; it’s people demanding a greater share of money that someone else earns.

18) Most of the time in American politics, the liberal “victim” is really a bad guy who is absolutely delighted by the opportunity to pretend to be “offended.”

19) Jesus Christ was not a conservative, a liberal, or a politician. He was also not a capitalist or a socialist. Still, you can say this: Jesus drew sharp lines about what’s right and wrong, He wasn’t tolerant of what the Bible categorizes as sinful behavior, and there’s absolutely no question that He would adamantly oppose abortion and gay marriage.

20) When you demand that other people fund your sexual escapades by buying your contraception, your sex life becomes their business.

by on Nov. 17, 2012 at 7:46 PM
Replies (151-160):
SeakingPeace
by Bronze Member on Nov. 21, 2012 at 8:33 AM

Please give me an example of an instance where a late term abortion would be compassionate.  

Regarding me not answering your earlier question...Since I'm not the one who posted the comic strip about free abortion, I had no reason to think your question was directed at me.  But since you are asking me, "Who demanded that someone buy your contraception?"  I'll answer that.  OBAMACARE made me buy your contraception.

Quoting autodidact:

You didn't have to confirm that you couldn't answer, I got that the first time.

You have any proof about your "life ending drugs" claim?

sometimes a late term abortion IS compassionate.


Quoting SeakingPeace:

I love how Obama gets so much credit for being the "compassionate" one (versus Romney who was being labeled "the most insensitive uncaring person." Yet... Get a load of THIS Obama logic:

OBAMAcare COVERS life ENDING drugs; but it DOESN'T cover life SAVING drugs.
OBAMA supports choice and abortion AND partial birth abortion (where the birth of a live baby is induced, the baby is born alive and then an instrument is shoved up the back of the babies neck, and if that doesn't kill the baby, then the life is sucked out of the baby. This practice is inhumane and disgusting. I'm sick and tired of this man, Obama being portrayed as the ever-compassionate one.


Quoting autodidact:

so you can't answer the question. 


Quoting gsprofval:

Cartoon: Free Contraceptives!


Quoting autodidact:


I'm just curious who demanded that someone buy their contraception? 






SeakingPeace
by Bronze Member on Nov. 21, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Responding to your statement in RED below... I'm sure Jesus would ASK the rich to give to the poor.  He wouldn't DEMAND it.  And yes, Jesus did feed the hungry FREE of CHARGE.  When they ran out of wine at the Wedding of Cana, he turned WATER into wine and disbursed it free of charge.  He also, knowing that people were starving in the streets, multiplied loaves of bread so as to feed everyone. HOWEVER, someone needs to inform Obama that HE doesn't have the same capabilities of Jesus.  


19) Jesus Christ was not a conservative, a liberal, or a politician. He was also not a capitalist or a socialist. Still, you can say this: Jesus drew sharp lines about what’s right and wrong, He wasn’t tolerant of what the Bible categorizes as sinful behavior, and there’s absolutely no question that He would adamantly oppose abortion and gay marriage.

Maybe, but we have seperation of church and state.  But if you are going to say this is your reason for wanting to ban abortion and gay marriage then you should be all of taking from the rich to support the poor.  For food stamps.  For everyone being equal.  And everything else that your bible teaches you he stood for.  If I remember correctly from my Catholic upbringing he (Jesus) even healed some sick and feed a bunch of people without charging them

Quoting Carpy:


Quoting fallnangel3:


Quoting imamomzilla:

 

 


1) The Founding Fathers were generally religious, gun-toting small government fanatics who were so far to the Right that they'd make Ann Coulter look like Jimmy Carter.

Actually they were the librals of their day.  Very progressive in their wanting to break away from England and the kind.  Most were dietists, we don't have the exact numbers of who was what religion because in the 1700s it didn't matter as it does today.  Yes people had guns back then, just as they have guns now.  The majority of liberals now own guns too.

The liberals of their day, yes.  But the meaning hasn't changed, it has just been hijacked by progressives.  Most were Christians.


2) The greatest evil this country has ever committed isn't slavery; it's killing more than 50 million innocent children via abortion.

This is an opinion not a fact.  There for it should not be listed in fact list


3) Conservatives are much more compassionate than liberals and all you have to do to prove it is look at all the studies showing that conservatives give more of their money to charity than liberals do.

Today's conservatives are also the richest people in the country.  Since they have higher incomes they have more disposable income that they can do something with.  They can write off donations for anything including their tithes to their church which allows them to pay less in taxes.  I would love to see a study done on if they give money away because it is less expensive to do than paying taxes on their income or if they are truly compassionate.  IF they were so compassionate then we wouldn't be having the down with food stamps, welfare, ect cries that we have now.

That's funny, I thought it was liberals who were the richest and so willing to give more in taxes, to boot.


4) When the Founding Fathers were actually around, there were official state religions and the Bible was used as a textbook in schools. The so-called "wall of separation between church and state" has absolutely nothing to do with the Constitution and everything to do with liberal hostility to Christianity.

This is completely false.  You only need to look up the quotes from the founding fathers to know that they believed that religion had no place in politics

Actually, they believed the feds had no business overstepping on the states rights to sanction religion.


5) The biggest problem with our economy today is Barack Obama. His demonization of successful people, his driving up gas prices, his regulatory overload and threats to increase taxes have terrified businesses into hunkering down, refusing to spend money, and declining to hire new people. Replacing him would do more than any government policy to spur economic growth.

Back when the rich were paying 85% of their income into taxes they could get tax breaks by reinvesting their earnings back into their companies.  Our economy boomed under these conditions, and jobs paid livable wages.  Its only been in the last few decades that this less taxes equals more jobs ideology has been embraced by the right

This is just laughable.


6) Not only are conservatives more patriotic than liberals, but most American liberals "love" America in about the same way that a wife-beater loves his wife.

This opinion is so off that it doesn't even deserve to be argued against

I would agree if they used the term progressive and quite demonizing liberals.


7) Out of every 100 cries of “Racism” you hear these days, 99 are motivated by nothing other than politics.

And exactly what study proves this?  I again call opinion on a "fact list"


8) Anyone paying income taxes is certainly paying his “fair share" -- and then some -- compared to the people who pay.nothing.

Over half of Americans pay nothing or very little in taxes.  They pay taxes out of their checks then get a refund every year.  Part of the huge refund problem is due to the increase in the child tax credit, you can look up if it was a liberal or conservative who implemented that


9) You don't have a "right" to anything that other people have to pay to provide for you.

You're correct.  Which means we all need to stop driving on roads that were here before we could drive, schools that were built before we were born, police, fire, military protection, and every other socialist program that our government has paid for with our tax money

Leave it to a progressive to use the worn schools and roads and police argument.


10) If we can ask people to present an ID to buy alcohol, drive a car, or get on an airplane, then asking them to present identification to vote is a no-brainer.

This one I actually agree with.  But presenting 1 ID is different than having to present 2, 3, 4 that some of the voter ID laws said that you needed.  Also we need to give people time to get them, not pass the law for it right before the election


11) There's absolutely nothing that the government does smarter, better, or more efficiently than the private market with roughly equivalent resources.

Except for keeping and creating jobs in the United States that are at a livable wage 

Get the government out of the way.


12) The biggest problem with education in this country is liberals. They fight vouchers, oppose merit pay, refuse to get rid of terrible teachers, and bend over backwards to keep poor kids trapped in failing schools.

Actually the worst thing to happen to education is No Child Left Behind and the amount of funding that has been cut to schools due to tax cuts.  Again look to see if that was a liberal or conservative

The worst thing is the dept of education, which most democrats disagreed with at its creation.


13) Fascism, socialism, and communism are all left-wing movements that have considerably more in common with modern liberalism than modern conservatism.

ya not true in the least

No it would be progressivism, not liberalism.  Again, quit demonizing liberals.

14) The Democratic Party was behind slavery, the KKK, and Jim Crow laws. It was also the party of Margaret Sanger, George Wallace, and Bull Connor. It has ALWAYS been a racist party. Even today, white liberals support Affirmative Action and racial set-asides because they still believe black Americans are too inferior to go up against whites on an even playing field.

Actually we support Affirmative Action because of the amount of old white racists that are still in this country controlling corporations that wont hire someone who is different.  Also so people who grew up in areas with poor schools have a shot at college

BS

15) A man with good morals who falls short and becomes a hypocrite is still a far better man than a liberal who can never be called a hypocrite because he has no morals at all.

At least I know what my morals are and refuse to vote biased on pushing them on others who don't agree with them

16) The most dire threat to America’s future and prosperity in the last 150 years hasn’t been the Nazis, the Soviets, or Al-Qaeda;, it’s the spending and overreach of our own government.

Exactly.  But yet when 9/11 happened conservatives wanted the Patriot Act passed that took away our rights, they want us to be the police of the world, they want the government out of our lives except when it comes to the issues that they deem wrong, and so many other hypocritical things

17) Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what he earns; it’s people demanding a greater share of money that someone else earns.

Greed is someone refusing to give their employees a raise, health care, sick days, vacation time, or full time status because it would cut into their $100,000/month salary

Many can not afford it.  You seem to think all business is huge corps.

18) Most of the time in American politics, the liberal “victim” is really a bad guy who is absolutely delighted by the opportunity to pretend to be “offended.”

I don't pretend to be offended.  I truly am offended by the Christian Right and their refusal to look at facts while suppressing groups of people they see as against the bible

19) Jesus Christ was not a conservative, a liberal, or a politician. He was also not a capitalist or a socialist. Still, you can say this: Jesus drew sharp lines about what’s right and wrong, He wasn’t tolerant of what the Bible categorizes as sinful behavior, and there’s absolutely no question that He would adamantly oppose abortion and gay marriage.

Maybe, but we have seperation of church and state.  But if you are going to say this is your reason for wanting to ban abortion and gay marriage then you should be all of taking from the rich to support the poor.  For food stamps.  For everyone being equal.  And everything else that your bible teaches you he stood for.  If I remember correctly from my Catholic upbringing he even healed some sick and feed a bunch of people without charging them

20) When you demand that other people fund your sexual escapades by buying your contraception, your sex life becomes their business.

Actually contraception can be used to regulate cycles, and regularly is.  It is also used by married couples to make sure they don't have kids they can't afford. Plus since they would be paying their own premiums, for their own plan, you won't be paying anything for their choices about their health care




Carpy
by Platinum Member on Nov. 21, 2012 at 9:06 AM

I don't have a bible.

Quoting SeakingPeace:

Responding to your statement in RED below... I'm sure Jesus would ASK the rich to give to the poor.  He wouldn't DEMAND it.  And yes, Jesus did feed the hungry FREE of CHARGE.  When they ran out of wine at the Wedding of Cana, he turned WATER into wine and disbursed it free of charge.  He also, knowing that people were starving in the streets, multiplied loaves of bread so as to feed everyone. HOWEVER, someone needs to inform Obama that HE doesn't have the same capabilities of Jesus.  


19) Jesus Christ was not a conservative, a liberal, or a politician. He was also not a capitalist or a socialist. Still, you can say this: Jesus drew sharp lines about what’s right and wrong, He wasn’t tolerant of what the Bible categorizes as sinful behavior, and there’s absolutely no question that He would adamantly oppose abortion and gay marriage.

Maybe, but we have seperation of church and state.  But if you are going to say this is your reason for wanting to ban abortion and gay marriage then you should be all of taking from the rich to support the poor.  For food stamps.  For everyone being equal.  And everything else that your bible teaches you he stood for.  If I remember correctly from my Catholic upbringing he (Jesus) even healed some sick and feed a bunch of people without charging them

Quoting Carpy:


Quoting fallnangel3:


Quoting imamomzilla:

 

 


1) The Founding Fathers were generally religious, gun-toting small government fanatics who were so far to the Right that they'd make Ann Coulter look like Jimmy Carter.

Actually they were the librals of their day.  Very progressive in their wanting to break away from England and the kind.  Most were dietists, we don't have the exact numbers of who was what religion because in the 1700s it didn't matter as it does today.  Yes people had guns back then, just as they have guns now.  The majority of liberals now own guns too.

The liberals of their day, yes.  But the meaning hasn't changed, it has just been hijacked by progressives.  Most were Christians.


2) The greatest evil this country has ever committed isn't slavery; it's killing more than 50 million innocent children via abortion.

This is an opinion not a fact.  There for it should not be listed in fact list


3) Conservatives are much more compassionate than liberals and all you have to do to prove it is look at all the studies showing that conservatives give more of their money to charity than liberals do.

Today's conservatives are also the richest people in the country.  Since they have higher incomes they have more disposable income that they can do something with.  They can write off donations for anything including their tithes to their church which allows them to pay less in taxes.  I would love to see a study done on if they give money away because it is less expensive to do than paying taxes on their income or if they are truly compassionate.  IF they were so compassionate then we wouldn't be having the down with food stamps, welfare, ect cries that we have now.

That's funny, I thought it was liberals who were the richest and so willing to give more in taxes, to boot.


4) When the Founding Fathers were actually around, there were official state religions and the Bible was used as a textbook in schools. The so-called "wall of separation between church and state" has absolutely nothing to do with the Constitution and everything to do with liberal hostility to Christianity.

This is completely false.  You only need to look up the quotes from the founding fathers to know that they believed that religion had no place in politics

Actually, they believed the feds had no business overstepping on the states rights to sanction religion.


5) The biggest problem with our economy today is Barack Obama. His demonization of successful people, his driving up gas prices, his regulatory overload and threats to increase taxes have terrified businesses into hunkering down, refusing to spend money, and declining to hire new people. Replacing him would do more than any government policy to spur economic growth.

Back when the rich were paying 85% of their income into taxes they could get tax breaks by reinvesting their earnings back into their companies.  Our economy boomed under these conditions, and jobs paid livable wages.  Its only been in the last few decades that this less taxes equals more jobs ideology has been embraced by the right

This is just laughable.


6) Not only are conservatives more patriotic than liberals, but most American liberals "love" America in about the same way that a wife-beater loves his wife.

This opinion is so off that it doesn't even deserve to be argued against

I would agree if they used the term progressive and quite demonizing liberals.


7) Out of every 100 cries of “Racism” you hear these days, 99 are motivated by nothing other than politics.

And exactly what study proves this?  I again call opinion on a "fact list"


8) Anyone paying income taxes is certainly paying his “fair share" -- and then some -- compared to the people who pay.nothing.

Over half of Americans pay nothing or very little in taxes.  They pay taxes out of their checks then get a refund every year.  Part of the huge refund problem is due to the increase in the child tax credit, you can look up if it was a liberal or conservative who implemented that


9) You don't have a "right" to anything that other people have to pay to provide for you.

You're correct.  Which means we all need to stop driving on roads that were here before we could drive, schools that were built before we were born, police, fire, military protection, and every other socialist program that our government has paid for with our tax money

Leave it to a progressive to use the worn schools and roads and police argument.


10) If we can ask people to present an ID to buy alcohol, drive a car, or get on an airplane, then asking them to present identification to vote is a no-brainer.

This one I actually agree with.  But presenting 1 ID is different than having to present 2, 3, 4 that some of the voter ID laws said that you needed.  Also we need to give people time to get them, not pass the law for it right before the election


11) There's absolutely nothing that the government does smarter, better, or more efficiently than the private market with roughly equivalent resources.

Except for keeping and creating jobs in the United States that are at a livable wage 

Get the government out of the way.


12) The biggest problem with education in this country is liberals. They fight vouchers, oppose merit pay, refuse to get rid of terrible teachers, and bend over backwards to keep poor kids trapped in failing schools.

Actually the worst thing to happen to education is No Child Left Behind and the amount of funding that has been cut to schools due to tax cuts.  Again look to see if that was a liberal or conservative

The worst thing is the dept of education, which most democrats disagreed with at its creation.


13) Fascism, socialism, and communism are all left-wing movements that have considerably more in common with modern liberalism than modern conservatism.

ya not true in the least

No it would be progressivism, not liberalism.  Again, quit demonizing liberals.

14) The Democratic Party was behind slavery, the KKK, and Jim Crow laws. It was also the party of Margaret Sanger, George Wallace, and Bull Connor. It has ALWAYS been a racist party. Even today, white liberals support Affirmative Action and racial set-asides because they still believe black Americans are too inferior to go up against whites on an even playing field.

Actually we support Affirmative Action because of the amount of old white racists that are still in this country controlling corporations that wont hire someone who is different.  Also so people who grew up in areas with poor schools have a shot at college

BS

15) A man with good morals who falls short and becomes a hypocrite is still a far better man than a liberal who can never be called a hypocrite because he has no morals at all.

At least I know what my morals are and refuse to vote biased on pushing them on others who don't agree with them

16) The most dire threat to America’s future and prosperity in the last 150 years hasn’t been the Nazis, the Soviets, or Al-Qaeda;, it’s the spending and overreach of our own government.

Exactly.  But yet when 9/11 happened conservatives wanted the Patriot Act passed that took away our rights, they want us to be the police of the world, they want the government out of our lives except when it comes to the issues that they deem wrong, and so many other hypocritical things

17) Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what he earns; it’s people demanding a greater share of money that someone else earns.

Greed is someone refusing to give their employees a raise, health care, sick days, vacation time, or full time status because it would cut into their $100,000/month salary

Many can not afford it.  You seem to think all business is huge corps.

18) Most of the time in American politics, the liberal “victim” is really a bad guy who is absolutely delighted by the opportunity to pretend to be “offended.”

I don't pretend to be offended.  I truly am offended by the Christian Right and their refusal to look at facts while suppressing groups of people they see as against the bible

19) Jesus Christ was not a conservative, a liberal, or a politician. He was also not a capitalist or a socialist. Still, you can say this: Jesus drew sharp lines about what’s right and wrong, He wasn’t tolerant of what the Bible categorizes as sinful behavior, and there’s absolutely no question that He would adamantly oppose abortion and gay marriage.

Maybe, but we have seperation of church and state.  But if you are going to say this is your reason for wanting to ban abortion and gay marriage then you should be all of taking from the rich to support the poor.  For food stamps.  For everyone being equal.  And everything else that your bible teaches you he stood for.  If I remember correctly from my Catholic upbringing he even healed some sick and feed a bunch of people without charging them

20) When you demand that other people fund your sexual escapades by buying your contraception, your sex life becomes their business.

Actually contraception can be used to regulate cycles, and regularly is.  It is also used by married couples to make sure they don't have kids they can't afford. Plus since they would be paying their own premiums, for their own plan, you won't be paying anything for their choices about their health care





SeakingPeace
by Bronze Member on Nov. 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Quoting blues_pagan:

I won't throw social responsibility in your face.  As for the rest, congratulations.  You started your endeavor 10 years ago though, before the recession compounded many issues for younger Americans like myself.  

As for your charity work, I commend you on your donation amount.  And thank you for the Joplin donation, my mom lives there and was there when the tornado hit.  Goddess bless, they were not hit as hard as many others but they did lose 3 friends.  

Last, no, no one is entitled to that money.  But I will say that once you pay taxes that money is no longer yours, it is the governments to do with what they see fit.  Yes, you're right.  And that's what scares me.  If it's okay to expect those at the top to donate to those at the very bottom, than it should be okay to expect those at the very bottom to contribute to society in some way, shape, or form (example: volunteering for a local school, church, organization, teach a kid to read, etc. Do SOMETHING.  And I'm not referring to those at the bottom who ARE working.  I'm referring to those at the bottom who for whatever reason aren't physically able to work. ) Hopefully, President Obama and Congress will compromise so that they can save those who make $250,000 and below a year from steeply rising taxes come January.  

Quoting Simmeringhearts:

It is only impossible if you decide it is. I busted my ass the past 10 years to get my business built up to where it is. I started with only $25 a week when I was a widowed mother of 2. During the last 10 years, I was also a sing mom of 4. Not 1 penny from the government! Last year, my annual net profit was just over $200,000. I have already past that this year. And no one is entitled to any of that money, except for my family. We donate 25% of income to various charities. Sounds like you and I are in the same boat!  And what I don't like about Obama's mentality is that if he keeps on his path, I will not be ABLE to donate to the organizations I WANT TO because I won't be able to afford to.  Obama's mentality of taking from the rich and giving to the poor is lowering my standard of living!  All these people on here that think it's okay to take from the "rich" (which I am NOT; but I'll still defend those that do make the big bucks because THEY earned their big bucks!) and give to the poor....I wonder how many of them actually DO donate money from their paychecks and give to a local organization.  I wonder if they'd be okay with a flat 8% CHARITY TAX being added to their pay checks????And donate 100 bars of soap a month to womens' shelters. And I volunteer my time on a weekly basis. When Joplin got hit, I sent 500 bars of soap. I also donate my crochet hats, booties and blankets (my down time activity) to the Childrens' Hospital in Iowa City. So, don't throw social responsibility in my face. Yay!!!!!!  Good for you for saying this!  I'm sick and tired of hearing that those who voted for Romney (and Romney HIMSELF!) lack social awareness!  Again, I'd love to know how many of those people who make those claims actually DONATE to any organization OR  V O L U N T E E R   for at any organization.  I really would love to know the stats on that! 

Quoting blues_pagan:

I would be 100% on board with your post here if only for one thing, the American dream of becoming rich (say in the top 2%) is no longer even viable as a dream.  It is literally impossible to climb the economic ladder with the way that things are today.  The rich have been rich for a long time and simply and simply get richer. Simply?  They SIMPLY get richer???  I don't call working 70 hours a week SIMPLE.  I don't call going to college for 7 years SIMPLE.  I don't call going to college and paying for it with absolutely no assistance SIMPLE.  I don't call having to use 2nd hand textbooks because I can't afford new ones SIMPLE. I don't call staying up until 2:00 am studying SIMPLE.  I don't call not being able to go home on weekends to visit my family because I can't afford gas money SIMPLE.  I don't call spending hours away from my family so that I can tend to my business SIMPLE.  I don't call putting $300.00 a week out for childcare with no assistance SIMPLE.  I don't call paying a HIGHER TAX RATE on earned incentives SIMPLE or FAIR.   None of this appeared SIMPLE to me.

 get richer.  How did those rich people get richer????The same goes for the poor, they were born poor and will stay poor.  

http://www.forbes.com/sites/augustturak/2012/07/02/is-the-american-dream-dead-the-four-inconvenient-truths-behind-income-inequality/

Quoting mom2twinboyz:

That's the thing! Liberals want everyone on the same playing field.
And my thoughts are...If you want to play on the same field with me, you have to put in the same time and efford as me.  Not every poor person is "disabled."  And the poorest of poor are entitled to an absolutely 100% free college education or training.  If they want to earn the big bucks, they need to put in the time to gain an education that will help to increase the liklihood that they can!  That's fine and dandy but at what cost? Is it really fair to ask people who have been lucky enough and work hard enough to give up their money just because they are successful? That is not fair. Agreed!  And I'm with you.  I don't mind donating SOME of my money.  But how MUCH is expected of me should be no different than a person who is earning less than me.
You lift people up in other ways not enabling them with a perpetual stream of money from the govt where they will have no will or desire to get employment. How about educating them instead? Now that is lifting them up. Agreed!  And don't you just love how things go for the poorest of poor:  Entitled to Free All Day Kindergarten,  Free Childcare, Free School lunch, Free Tutoring during the school year, Paid Summer School Classes, Free transporation during summer school classes, Free Food Stamps, Free Welfare, Free College, ....At what point should these people be expected to contribute anything????

Quoting MomTiara19:

6)Patriotism


I feel democrats are patriots for America because we believe in unity not division. I would agree about that.  But the Republicans not agreeing with Democrats way of thinking doesn't mean they don't believe in unity.  They believe very strongly about some issues, though.  Perhaps we should keep SOME of our view points to ourselves, though.    We lift this country up by accepting who we are as diverse people and embracing one another to empowerment.I embrace diversity.  I love interwining with different cultures.  I don't know what you mean, though, by "embracing one another to empowerment." And I don't care who marries who, who sleeps with who, etc., But I really don't want to hear about it.  I'd love to do a study following the children who's childhood was "uplifted" by the government.  I'd love to see how many of them that were raised with and offered all these opportunities ( free lunch, free daycare, free tutoring, free college education, free transportation, free tutoring, etc.,) grew to be successful contributing members of society.  And then, I'd like to use the outcome of that study to determine whether it makes sense to continue offering all those "uplifting" benefits. By making sure we are all educated,healthy,and can live humanely.We give everyone the opportunity to grow and become wealthy with a level playing field.  See above statement by me.  I'd love to see how many of those that were "educated, kept healthy, and provided humane living conditions" went on to become product contributing members of society.  If the percentage is greater than 50%, I say CONTINUE GIVING THOSE "UPLIFTING" OPPORTUNITIES.  If the percentage isn't even 3%, I say, one by one, DISCONTINUE them.  Or better yet... a REALLY FAIR SYSTEM OF EQUALITY WOULD BE:  Those that were given a FREE COLLEGE EDUCATION should be required to GIVE BACK 20% of the income derived from their degree to the GOVERNMENT.   After all, it was the GOVERNMENT who paid for their degree!  We are not beat down....we are innovative and thriving.The only thing beat down is ancient twisted extremist views that are becoming extinct and obsolete.  I don't think your party is beat down.  I would, however, like to hear about some of the innovative ways you are referring to.  I do think your party is more tolerant of different ideals than what the Repub. party is, though.  I disagree with your statement that their views are becoming extinct and obsolete.  Their views are their views and no matter how differently they may campaign next time around, those views won't change.  And I have to say, I admire anyone who stands up for their beliefs and doesn't conform to others.


7)%60 of republicans I feel have stereotypical views....from subtle ...to outward hate and racism. What stereotypical views do you think some of us have?  Who do we HATE?  And in what ways do we exemplify racism???  Why is that if we don't agree with Democrats, we are haters or racists????  Moderate republicans are continuously having to distance themselves from conservative extremists like Sinunu,Trump,and Limbaugh.  I agree that some republicans are extreme in their thinking just as much as some democrats are.  Keep it coming because thats how democrats keep winning:)You turn independents and moderate republicans to the liberal wide side:)  I think rebuplicans do not need to reinvent their party.  They need to hold fast to their beliefs but be a little less vocal about them.  Furthermore, I would love it if some how the faith and religious beliefs of presidential candidates could some how remain UNKNOWN until after the election.  Why, you ask?  Because the left is always insisting on the separation of church and state.  I contend that a candidate's religion/religious beliefs DEFINITELY effects who people vote for.  And it shouldn't.


8)If you are working....you pay taxes.


You do not pay for a poor person who is working and pays taxes too.  I was going to say I agreed here.  But then I thought second of it.  Actually, it is feasible that I DO pay for a poor person who is working because if he isn't earning enough, he gets a tax credit.  And his TAX CREDIT comes from me paying taxes.  Additionally, if he is earning below a particular income level, he will still receive public assistance and food stamps.  I pay for them, too. Everyone who works pays taxes.Not everyone on welfare is not...not working or without a job....they are just poor and working.  This was something that until I read all these CAFEMOM posts I hadn't known.  That information did my heart good.  And it's a fact that I'll bet many are not aware of.  Thanks moms for pointing that out.  I don't want to beat up on anyone let alone those that are doing whatever they can for themselves and are working to achieve the American dream.Under Romney you would have paid taxes too.Sorry but no-one can pick and choose to whom they want their tax dollars to go.  I am not against the gov't being the one to decide how my money is spent.  I just don't like or agree with how they've decided to spend it.  It is NOT a fair system.  Again, even if a person is not capable (physically or mentally) of working, there are many ways he/she can contribute to society.  If our government would institute a system where those that are receiving aid "pay it back" (like through some form of volunteering), I'd be all for it!  No one person should be expected to carry another.  The recipient of the system should be expected to "donate" too.


9)Yes everyone should do their fair share.  But that's the point.  They AREN'T!  That includes realizing that the rich not paying their fair share in taxes is wrong and has been going on now for 12 years!!  The tax law is what it is.  The rich are entitled to write-offs.  The poor are entitled to tax credits (and in some instances pay no taxes at all.)  Just as you think the rich have an unfair advantage, I think the poorest do.  You're right.  This has been going on now for 12 ++++++++ years.  I'd vote for a total overhaul of the tax code so that EVERYONE pays his share (whether it be through taxes or via community volunteerism).

You can not hand pick and choose where your tax dollars go.America is not one big charity bank  Holy crap!  Did you just say, "America is not one big charity bank????"  I agree...it SHOULDN'T be!  Who a person donates to should be entirely up to that person NOT the government.  you can decide to donate to.Government is a system....and a system that works.I feel safe knowing that if another Sandy should occur I have Fema...not just what someone felt I needed but what useless. I disagree.  I don't think it IS a system that works.  If you think it is, I dare you to step foot onto the grounds of New York at Breezy Point.  These people are STILL living in tents and their families are broken up all over the state.  FEMA couldn't and hasn't saved them.  And that's my point.  You can't and you shouldn't depend on ANYONE to save you.  It's nice to think we can depend on our neighbors to come to our aid in times of need; but we can't DEPEND on it.  We just CAN'T.  FEMA, like the gov't CAN (and WILL eventually!) has run out of MONEY!!!!  








Quoting Simmeringhearts:

I have no problem with paying taxes. I do have a problem with being punished. Our taxes do become the government's to do with what they decide. But, I still have a right to get pissed when they misuse the money and come back demanding more. Which is why we look for every possible way to reduce our tax liability because we are looking at the steep tax hikes.

The recession? Ok. Whatever. I won't go into any details because I don't need any pats on the back.

Quoting blues_pagan:

I won't throw social responsibility in your face.  As for the rest, congratulations.  You started your endeavor 10 years ago though, before the recession compounded many issues for younger Americans like myself.  

As for your charity work, I commend you on your donation amount.  And thank you for the Joplin donation, my mom lives there and was there when the tornado hit.  Goddess bless, they were not hit as hard as many others but they did lose 3 friends.  

Last, no, no one is entitled to that money.  But I will say that once you pay taxes that money is no longer yours, it is the governments to do with what they see fit.  Hopefully, President Obama and Congress will compromise so that they can save those who make $250,000 and below a year from steeply rising taxes come January.  

Quoting Simmeringhearts:

It is only impossible if you decide it is. I busted my ass the past 10 years to get my business built up to where it is. I started with only $25 a week when I was a widowed mother of 2. During the last 10 years, I was also a sing mom of 4. Not 1 penny from the government! Last year, my annual net profit was just over $200,000. I have already past that this year. And no one is entitled to any of that money, except for my family. We donate 25% of income to various charities. And donate 100 bars of soap a month to womens' shelters. And I volunteer my time on a weekly basis. When Joplin got hit, I sent 500 bars of soap. I also donate my crochet hats, booties and blankets (my down time activity) to the Childrens' Hospital in Iowa City. So, don't throw social responsibility in my face.

Quoting blues_pagan:

I would be 100% on board with your post here if only for one thing, the American dream of becoming rich (say in the top 2%) is no longer even viable as a dream.  It is literally impossible to climb the economic ladder with the way that things are today.  The rich have been rich for a long time and simply get richer.  The same goes for the poor, they were born poor and will stay poor.  

http://www.forbes.com/sites/augustturak/2012/07/02/is-the-american-dream-dead-the-four-inconvenient-truths-behind-income-inequality/

Quoting mom2twinboyz:

That's the thing! Liberals want everyone on the same playing field. That's fine and dandy but at what cost? Is it really fair to ask people who have been lucky enough and work hard enough to give up their money just because they are successful? That is not fair.
You lift people up in other ways not enabling them with a perpetual stream of money from the govt where they will have no will or desire to get employment. How about educating them instead? Now that is lifting them up.

Quoting MomTiara19:

6)Patriotism


I feel democrats are patriots for America because we believe in unity not division.We lift this country up by accepting who we are as diverse people and embracing one another to empowerment.By making sure we are all educated,healthy,and can live humanely.We give everyone the opportunity to grow and become wealthy with a level playing field.We are not beat down....we are innovative and thriving.The only thing beat down is ancient twisted extremist views that are becoming extinct and obsolete.


7)%60 of republicans I feel have stereotypical views....from subtle ...to outward hate and racism.Moderate republicans are continuously having to distance themselves from conservative extremists like Sinunu,Trump,and Limbaugh.Keep it coming because thats how democrats keep winning:)You turn independents and moderate republicans to the liberal wide side:)


8)If you are working....you pay taxes.


You do not pay for a poor person who is working and pays taxes too.Everyone who works pays taxes.Not everyone on welfare is not...not working or without a job....they are just poor and working.Under Romney you would have paid taxes too.Sorry but no-one can pick and choose to whom they want their tax dollars to go.


9)Yes everyone should do their fair share.That includes realizing that the rich not paying their fair share in taxes is wrong and has been going on now for 12 years!!


You can not hand pick and choose where your tax dollars go.America is not one big charity bank you can decide to donate to.Government is a system....and a system that works.I feel safe knowing that if another Sandy should occur I have Fema...not just what someone felt I needed but what useless.









SeakingPeace
by Bronze Member on Nov. 21, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Neither do I.  But I didn't need one to make an intelligent observation.

Quoting Carpy:

I don't have a bible.

Quoting SeakingPeace:

Responding to your statement in RED below... I'm sure Jesus would ASK the rich to give to the poor.  He wouldn't DEMAND it.  And yes, Jesus did feed the hungry FREE of CHARGE.  When they ran out of wine at the Wedding of Cana, he turned WATER into wine and disbursed it free of charge.  He also, knowing that people were starving in the streets, multiplied loaves of bread so as to feed everyone. HOWEVER, someone needs to inform Obama that HE doesn't have the same capabilities of Jesus.  


19) Jesus Christ was not a conservative, a liberal, or a politician. He was also not a capitalist or a socialist. Still, you can say this: Jesus drew sharp lines about what’s right and wrong, He wasn’t tolerant of what the Bible categorizes as sinful behavior, and there’s absolutely no question that He would adamantly oppose abortion and gay marriage.

Maybe, but we have seperation of church and state.  But if you are going to say this is your reason for wanting to ban abortion and gay marriage then you should be all of taking from the rich to support the poor.  For food stamps.  For everyone being equal.  And everything else that your bible teaches you he stood for.  If I remember correctly from my Catholic upbringing he (Jesus) even healed some sick and feed a bunch of people without charging them

Quoting Carpy:


Quoting fallnangel3:


Quoting imamomzilla:

 

 


1) The Founding Fathers were generally religious, gun-toting small government fanatics who were so far to the Right that they'd make Ann Coulter look like Jimmy Carter.

Actually they were the librals of their day.  Very progressive in their wanting to break away from England and the kind.  Most were dietists, we don't have the exact numbers of who was what religion because in the 1700s it didn't matter as it does today.  Yes people had guns back then, just as they have guns now.  The majority of liberals now own guns too.

The liberals of their day, yes.  But the meaning hasn't changed, it has just been hijacked by progressives.  Most were Christians.


2) The greatest evil this country has ever committed isn't slavery; it's killing more than 50 million innocent children via abortion.

This is an opinion not a fact.  There for it should not be listed in fact list


3) Conservatives are much more compassionate than liberals and all you have to do to prove it is look at all the studies showing that conservatives give more of their money to charity than liberals do.

Today's conservatives are also the richest people in the country.  Since they have higher incomes they have more disposable income that they can do something with.  They can write off donations for anything including their tithes to their church which allows them to pay less in taxes.  I would love to see a study done on if they give money away because it is less expensive to do than paying taxes on their income or if they are truly compassionate.  IF they were so compassionate then we wouldn't be having the down with food stamps, welfare, ect cries that we have now.

That's funny, I thought it was liberals who were the richest and so willing to give more in taxes, to boot.


4) When the Founding Fathers were actually around, there were official state religions and the Bible was used as a textbook in schools. The so-called "wall of separation between church and state" has absolutely nothing to do with the Constitution and everything to do with liberal hostility to Christianity.

This is completely false.  You only need to look up the quotes from the founding fathers to know that they believed that religion had no place in politics

Actually, they believed the feds had no business overstepping on the states rights to sanction religion.


5) The biggest problem with our economy today is Barack Obama. His demonization of successful people, his driving up gas prices, his regulatory overload and threats to increase taxes have terrified businesses into hunkering down, refusing to spend money, and declining to hire new people. Replacing him would do more than any government policy to spur economic growth.

Back when the rich were paying 85% of their income into taxes they could get tax breaks by reinvesting their earnings back into their companies.  Our economy boomed under these conditions, and jobs paid livable wages.  Its only been in the last few decades that this less taxes equals more jobs ideology has been embraced by the right

This is just laughable.


6) Not only are conservatives more patriotic than liberals, but most American liberals "love" America in about the same way that a wife-beater loves his wife.

This opinion is so off that it doesn't even deserve to be argued against

I would agree if they used the term progressive and quite demonizing liberals.


7) Out of every 100 cries of “Racism” you hear these days, 99 are motivated by nothing other than politics.

And exactly what study proves this?  I again call opinion on a "fact list"


8) Anyone paying income taxes is certainly paying his “fair share" -- and then some -- compared to the people who pay.nothing.

Over half of Americans pay nothing or very little in taxes.  They pay taxes out of their checks then get a refund every year.  Part of the huge refund problem is due to the increase in the child tax credit, you can look up if it was a liberal or conservative who implemented that


9) You don't have a "right" to anything that other people have to pay to provide for you.

You're correct.  Which means we all need to stop driving on roads that were here before we could drive, schools that were built before we were born, police, fire, military protection, and every other socialist program that our government has paid for with our tax money

Leave it to a progressive to use the worn schools and roads and police argument.


10) If we can ask people to present an ID to buy alcohol, drive a car, or get on an airplane, then asking them to present identification to vote is a no-brainer.

This one I actually agree with.  But presenting 1 ID is different than having to present 2, 3, 4 that some of the voter ID laws said that you needed.  Also we need to give people time to get them, not pass the law for it right before the election


11) There's absolutely nothing that the government does smarter, better, or more efficiently than the private market with roughly equivalent resources.

Except for keeping and creating jobs in the United States that are at a livable wage 

Get the government out of the way.


12) The biggest problem with education in this country is liberals. They fight vouchers, oppose merit pay, refuse to get rid of terrible teachers, and bend over backwards to keep poor kids trapped in failing schools.

Actually the worst thing to happen to education is No Child Left Behind and the amount of funding that has been cut to schools due to tax cuts.  Again look to see if that was a liberal or conservative

The worst thing is the dept of education, which most democrats disagreed with at its creation.


13) Fascism, socialism, and communism are all left-wing movements that have considerably more in common with modern liberalism than modern conservatism.

ya not true in the least

No it would be progressivism, not liberalism.  Again, quit demonizing liberals.

14) The Democratic Party was behind slavery, the KKK, and Jim Crow laws. It was also the party of Margaret Sanger, George Wallace, and Bull Connor. It has ALWAYS been a racist party. Even today, white liberals support Affirmative Action and racial set-asides because they still believe black Americans are too inferior to go up against whites on an even playing field.

Actually we support Affirmative Action because of the amount of old white racists that are still in this country controlling corporations that wont hire someone who is different.  Also so people who grew up in areas with poor schools have a shot at college

BS

15) A man with good morals who falls short and becomes a hypocrite is still a far better man than a liberal who can never be called a hypocrite because he has no morals at all.

At least I know what my morals are and refuse to vote biased on pushing them on others who don't agree with them

16) The most dire threat to America’s future and prosperity in the last 150 years hasn’t been the Nazis, the Soviets, or Al-Qaeda;, it’s the spending and overreach of our own government.

Exactly.  But yet when 9/11 happened conservatives wanted the Patriot Act passed that took away our rights, they want us to be the police of the world, they want the government out of our lives except when it comes to the issues that they deem wrong, and so many other hypocritical things

17) Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what he earns; it’s people demanding a greater share of money that someone else earns.

Greed is someone refusing to give their employees a raise, health care, sick days, vacation time, or full time status because it would cut into their $100,000/month salary

Many can not afford it.  You seem to think all business is huge corps.

18) Most of the time in American politics, the liberal “victim” is really a bad guy who is absolutely delighted by the opportunity to pretend to be “offended.”

I don't pretend to be offended.  I truly am offended by the Christian Right and their refusal to look at facts while suppressing groups of people they see as against the bible

19) Jesus Christ was not a conservative, a liberal, or a politician. He was also not a capitalist or a socialist. Still, you can say this: Jesus drew sharp lines about what’s right and wrong, He wasn’t tolerant of what the Bible categorizes as sinful behavior, and there’s absolutely no question that He would adamantly oppose abortion and gay marriage.

Maybe, but we have seperation of church and state.  But if you are going to say this is your reason for wanting to ban abortion and gay marriage then you should be all of taking from the rich to support the poor.  For food stamps.  For everyone being equal.  And everything else that your bible teaches you he stood for.  If I remember correctly from my Catholic upbringing he even healed some sick and feed a bunch of people without charging them

20) When you demand that other people fund your sexual escapades by buying your contraception, your sex life becomes their business.

Actually contraception can be used to regulate cycles, and regularly is.  It is also used by married couples to make sure they don't have kids they can't afford. Plus since they would be paying their own premiums, for their own plan, you won't be paying anything for their choices about their health care






SeakingPeace
by Bronze Member on Nov. 21, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Simmeringhearts, I agree with you!  If me wanting to keep the dollar I earned makes me greedy, then I am guilty as charged!

Here's how I feel about giving my money to other people:

My working should determine MY standard of living, not yours.  

Quoting Simmeringhearts:

Yes, I admit that I am greedy. This is why I bust my ass daily in my business. I have a desire to provide for my family. And have the lifestyle that we want. Not what some jackass in DC thinks we should have. I happen to enjoy my month long vacation every year!

Quoting autodidact:

wrong. 

: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed 

Quoting tnmomofive:

17) Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what he earns; it’s people demanding a greater share of money that someone else earns.


Imo that is the worst kind of greed out there.




autodidact
by Silver Member on Nov. 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/late-term-abortion-29-weeks-dana-weinstein

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2076134/Afraid-hold-baby-The-child-2-excruciating-skin-disorder-covers-body-blisters.html

no, you're not buying my contraconception. so whose are you being forced to buy, and by what means?

what about those "life ending drugs"?  

Quoting SeakingPeace:

Please give me an example of an instance where a late term abortion would be compassionate.  

Regarding me not answering your earlier question...Since I'm not the one who posted the comic strip about free abortion, I had no reason to think your question was directed at me.  But since you are asking me, "Who demanded that someone buy your contraception?"  I'll answer that.  OBAMACARE made me buy your contraception.

Quoting autodidact:

You didn't have to confirm that you couldn't answer, I got that the first time.

You have any proof about your "life ending drugs" claim?

sometimes a late term abortion IS compassionate.


Quoting SeakingPeace:

I love how Obama gets so much credit for being the "compassionate" one (versus Romney who was being labeled "the most insensitive uncaring person." Yet... Get a load of THIS Obama logic:

OBAMAcare COVERS life ENDING drugs; but it DOESN'T cover life SAVING drugs.
OBAMA supports choice and abortion AND partial birth abortion (where the birth of a live baby is induced, the baby is born alive and then an instrument is shoved up the back of the babies neck, and if that doesn't kill the baby, then the life is sucked out of the baby. This practice is inhumane and disgusting. I'm sick and tired of this man, Obama being portrayed as the ever-compassionate one.


Quoting autodidact:

so you can't answer the question. 


Quoting gsprofval:

Cartoon: Free Contraceptives!


Quoting autodidact:


I'm just curious who demanded that someone buy their contraception? 










autodidact
by Silver Member on Nov. 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM

public health, the education of the electorate, the state of infrastructure, all these affect your quality of living. 

Quoting SeakingPeace:

Simmeringhearts, I agree with you!  If me wanting to keep the dollar I earned makes me greedy, then I am guilty as charged!

Here's how I feel about giving my money to other people:

My working should determine MY standard of living, not yours.  

Quoting Simmeringhearts:

Yes, I admit that I am greedy. This is why I bust my ass daily in my business. I have a desire to provide for my family. And have the lifestyle that we want. Not what some jackass in DC thinks we should have. I happen to enjoy my month long vacation every year!

Quoting autodidact:

wrong. 

: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed 

Quoting tnmomofive:

17) Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what he earns; it’s people demanding a greater share of money that someone else earns.


Imo that is the worst kind of greed out there.








SeakingPeace
by Bronze Member on Nov. 21, 2012 at 9:13 PM
1 mom liked this

Thanks for giving two instances where you felt late term abortions would be considered compassionate.  I thought I'd quote the 2nd mom, Courtney who said, 

 'Though caring for him is a very tough job, I would not trade any of it for a second. Being Tripp's Mommy has brought so much joy and happiness into my life'

I have a question for you...Courtney's child is now two years old.  Would you be okay with ending his life?  If you'd be okay with ending the first child's, you should be okay with ending the 2nd's.

 

 



 
Quoting autodidact:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/late-term-abortion-29-weeks-dana-weinstein

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2076134/Afraid-hold-baby-The-child-2-excruciating-skin-disorder-covers-body-blisters.html

no, you're not buying my contraconception. so whose are you being forced to buy, and by what means?

what about those "life ending drugs"?  

Quoting SeakingPeace:

Please give me an example of an instance where a late term abortion would be compassionate.  

Regarding me not answering your earlier question...Since I'm not the one who posted the comic strip about free abortion, I had no reason to think your question was directed at me.  But since you are asking me, "Who demanded that someone buy your contraception?"  I'll answer that.  OBAMACARE made me buy your contraception.

Quoting autodidact:

You didn't have to confirm that you couldn't answer, I got that the first time.

You have any proof about your "life ending drugs" claim?

sometimes a late term abortion IS compassionate.

 

Quoting SeakingPeace:

I love how Obama gets so much credit for being the "compassionate" one (versus Romney who was being labeled "the most insensitive uncaring person." Yet... Get a load of THIS Obama logic:

OBAMAcare COVERS life ENDING drugs; but it DOESN'T cover life SAVING drugs.
OBAMA supports choice and abortion AND partial birth abortion (where the birth of a live baby is induced, the baby is born alive and then an instrument is shoved up the back of the babies neck, and if that doesn't kill the baby, then the life is sucked out of the baby. This practice is inhumane and disgusting. I'm sick and tired of this man, Obama being portrayed as the ever-compassionate one.


Quoting autodidact:

so you can't answer the question. 


Quoting gsprofval:

Cartoon: Free Contraceptives!


Quoting autodidact:


I'm just curious who demanded that someone buy their contraception? 


 

 

 


 

 

Carpy
by Platinum Member on Nov. 21, 2012 at 11:48 PM

I have to admit, I have no clue what your point to me, even was.

Quoting SeakingPeace:

Neither do I.  But I didn't need one to make an intelligent observation.

Quoting Carpy:

I don't have a bible.

Quoting SeakingPeace:

Responding to your statement in RED below... I'm sure Jesus would ASK the rich to give to the poor.  He wouldn't DEMAND it.  And yes, Jesus did feed the hungry FREE of CHARGE.  When they ran out of wine at the Wedding of Cana, he turned WATER into wine and disbursed it free of charge.  He also, knowing that people were starving in the streets, multiplied loaves of bread so as to feed everyone. HOWEVER, someone needs to inform Obama that HE doesn't have the same capabilities of Jesus.  


19) Jesus Christ was not a conservative, a liberal, or a politician. He was also not a capitalist or a socialist. Still, you can say this: Jesus drew sharp lines about what’s right and wrong, He wasn’t tolerant of what the Bible categorizes as sinful behavior, and there’s absolutely no question that He would adamantly oppose abortion and gay marriage.

Maybe, but we have seperation of church and state.  But if you are going to say this is your reason for wanting to ban abortion and gay marriage then you should be all of taking from the rich to support the poor.  For food stamps.  For everyone being equal.  And everything else that your bible teaches you he stood for.  If I remember correctly from my Catholic upbringing he (Jesus) even healed some sick and feed a bunch of people without charging them

Quoting Carpy:


Quoting fallnangel3:


Quoting imamomzilla:

 

 


1) The Founding Fathers were generally religious, gun-toting small government fanatics who were so far to the Right that they'd make Ann Coulter look like Jimmy Carter.

Actually they were the librals of their day.  Very progressive in their wanting to break away from England and the kind.  Most were dietists, we don't have the exact numbers of who was what religion because in the 1700s it didn't matter as it does today.  Yes people had guns back then, just as they have guns now.  The majority of liberals now own guns too.

The liberals of their day, yes.  But the meaning hasn't changed, it has just been hijacked by progressives.  Most were Christians.


2) The greatest evil this country has ever committed isn't slavery; it's killing more than 50 million innocent children via abortion.

This is an opinion not a fact.  There for it should not be listed in fact list


3) Conservatives are much more compassionate than liberals and all you have to do to prove it is look at all the studies showing that conservatives give more of their money to charity than liberals do.

Today's conservatives are also the richest people in the country.  Since they have higher incomes they have more disposable income that they can do something with.  They can write off donations for anything including their tithes to their church which allows them to pay less in taxes.  I would love to see a study done on if they give money away because it is less expensive to do than paying taxes on their income or if they are truly compassionate.  IF they were so compassionate then we wouldn't be having the down with food stamps, welfare, ect cries that we have now.

That's funny, I thought it was liberals who were the richest and so willing to give more in taxes, to boot.


4) When the Founding Fathers were actually around, there were official state religions and the Bible was used as a textbook in schools. The so-called "wall of separation between church and state" has absolutely nothing to do with the Constitution and everything to do with liberal hostility to Christianity.

This is completely false.  You only need to look up the quotes from the founding fathers to know that they believed that religion had no place in politics

Actually, they believed the feds had no business overstepping on the states rights to sanction religion.


5) The biggest problem with our economy today is Barack Obama. His demonization of successful people, his driving up gas prices, his regulatory overload and threats to increase taxes have terrified businesses into hunkering down, refusing to spend money, and declining to hire new people. Replacing him would do more than any government policy to spur economic growth.

Back when the rich were paying 85% of their income into taxes they could get tax breaks by reinvesting their earnings back into their companies.  Our economy boomed under these conditions, and jobs paid livable wages.  Its only been in the last few decades that this less taxes equals more jobs ideology has been embraced by the right

This is just laughable.


6) Not only are conservatives more patriotic than liberals, but most American liberals "love" America in about the same way that a wife-beater loves his wife.

This opinion is so off that it doesn't even deserve to be argued against

I would agree if they used the term progressive and quite demonizing liberals.


7) Out of every 100 cries of “Racism” you hear these days, 99 are motivated by nothing other than politics.

And exactly what study proves this?  I again call opinion on a "fact list"


8) Anyone paying income taxes is certainly paying his “fair share" -- and then some -- compared to the people who pay.nothing.

Over half of Americans pay nothing or very little in taxes.  They pay taxes out of their checks then get a refund every year.  Part of the huge refund problem is due to the increase in the child tax credit, you can look up if it was a liberal or conservative who implemented that


9) You don't have a "right" to anything that other people have to pay to provide for you.

You're correct.  Which means we all need to stop driving on roads that were here before we could drive, schools that were built before we were born, police, fire, military protection, and every other socialist program that our government has paid for with our tax money

Leave it to a progressive to use the worn schools and roads and police argument.


10) If we can ask people to present an ID to buy alcohol, drive a car, or get on an airplane, then asking them to present identification to vote is a no-brainer.

This one I actually agree with.  But presenting 1 ID is different than having to present 2, 3, 4 that some of the voter ID laws said that you needed.  Also we need to give people time to get them, not pass the law for it right before the election


11) There's absolutely nothing that the government does smarter, better, or more efficiently than the private market with roughly equivalent resources.

Except for keeping and creating jobs in the United States that are at a livable wage 

Get the government out of the way.


12) The biggest problem with education in this country is liberals. They fight vouchers, oppose merit pay, refuse to get rid of terrible teachers, and bend over backwards to keep poor kids trapped in failing schools.

Actually the worst thing to happen to education is No Child Left Behind and the amount of funding that has been cut to schools due to tax cuts.  Again look to see if that was a liberal or conservative

The worst thing is the dept of education, which most democrats disagreed with at its creation.


13) Fascism, socialism, and communism are all left-wing movements that have considerably more in common with modern liberalism than modern conservatism.

ya not true in the least

No it would be progressivism, not liberalism.  Again, quit demonizing liberals.

14) The Democratic Party was behind slavery, the KKK, and Jim Crow laws. It was also the party of Margaret Sanger, George Wallace, and Bull Connor. It has ALWAYS been a racist party. Even today, white liberals support Affirmative Action and racial set-asides because they still believe black Americans are too inferior to go up against whites on an even playing field.

Actually we support Affirmative Action because of the amount of old white racists that are still in this country controlling corporations that wont hire someone who is different.  Also so people who grew up in areas with poor schools have a shot at college

BS

15) A man with good morals who falls short and becomes a hypocrite is still a far better man than a liberal who can never be called a hypocrite because he has no morals at all.

At least I know what my morals are and refuse to vote biased on pushing them on others who don't agree with them

16) The most dire threat to America’s future and prosperity in the last 150 years hasn’t been the Nazis, the Soviets, or Al-Qaeda;, it’s the spending and overreach of our own government.

Exactly.  But yet when 9/11 happened conservatives wanted the Patriot Act passed that took away our rights, they want us to be the police of the world, they want the government out of our lives except when it comes to the issues that they deem wrong, and so many other hypocritical things

17) Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what he earns; it’s people demanding a greater share of money that someone else earns.

Greed is someone refusing to give their employees a raise, health care, sick days, vacation time, or full time status because it would cut into their $100,000/month salary

Many can not afford it.  You seem to think all business is huge corps.

18) Most of the time in American politics, the liberal “victim” is really a bad guy who is absolutely delighted by the opportunity to pretend to be “offended.”

I don't pretend to be offended.  I truly am offended by the Christian Right and their refusal to look at facts while suppressing groups of people they see as against the bible

19) Jesus Christ was not a conservative, a liberal, or a politician. He was also not a capitalist or a socialist. Still, you can say this: Jesus drew sharp lines about what’s right and wrong, He wasn’t tolerant of what the Bible categorizes as sinful behavior, and there’s absolutely no question that He would adamantly oppose abortion and gay marriage.

Maybe, but we have seperation of church and state.  But if you are going to say this is your reason for wanting to ban abortion and gay marriage then you should be all of taking from the rich to support the poor.  For food stamps.  For everyone being equal.  And everything else that your bible teaches you he stood for.  If I remember correctly from my Catholic upbringing he even healed some sick and feed a bunch of people without charging them

20) When you demand that other people fund your sexual escapades by buying your contraception, your sex life becomes their business.

Actually contraception can be used to regulate cycles, and regularly is.  It is also used by married couples to make sure they don't have kids they can't afford. Plus since they would be paying their own premiums, for their own plan, you won't be paying anything for their choices about their health care







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