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The Secessionist Movement And Our Ideological Divide

Posted by on Nov. 18, 2012 at 8:57 AM
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The Secessionist Movement And Our Ideological Divide

 

Republican Democrat SC The Secessionist Movement and Our Ideological Divide

It’s interesting to witness the continued fallout from the election two weeks ago. Residents of most of the states in the Union have begun petitions on the White House website for secession from the United States of America. Such talk is superfluous; for the last time any states attempted to secede, over half-a-million Americans died in the ensuing Civil War. Hence, even our Pledge of Allegiance says of our United States: “indivisible.”

Interestingly, however, Thomas Jefferson seemed to think contrarily. In a letter penned in 1825, Jefferson said, that states “should separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of our Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers. Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation.”

The head of the Texas Nationalist Movement, Daniel Miller, said this past week, “The fact of the matter is, that there cannot be a union between those that esteem the principles of Karl Marx over the principles of Thomas Jefferson. Here in Texas, we esteem those principles of Thomas Jefferson – that all political power’s inherent in the people.”

Michael Childs at PatriotAction.net’s forum wrote that the nation “has never been more divided during my lifetime. We are racially divided, divided by wealth, ideologically divided, divided by sexual preference, divided by religion, city dwellers against the rural population, etc.,” he said.

As a nation, we do seem insolubly divided, especially on ideological grounds. Our divisive conundrum seems all the more inscrutable in light of the last four years, which have divided us even further under the leadership of “The One” who was to unite us (but in reality has driven the wedges even deeper.)

Looking at the county map of election results two weeks ago, it seems clear that even if secession was possible at the state level, it would be illogical. Looking at Ohio, for example, easily 80% of the counties map is red. The same holds true for the entire country. If the country was to be divided by ideological majority, Obama’s America would look very much like Detroit, Chicago, or New York while Romney’s America would comprise the intermountain West, Texas, the Midwest, the South, and the rest of the “fly over” country that the urbanites hold in such low regard.

It reminded me of a letter circulated after the 2008 election, written purportedly by a law student, who drafted a “Divorce Agreement” between the ideologically divided states. He prefaced his agreement with, “We have stuck together since the late 1950s for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course. Our two ideological factions cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let’s just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.”

He then went on to spell out the separation agreement. Geographically, the East and left coasts would go blue, with a few states in between, and the rest would be red. What followed was an ideological division of resources and precepts, which I will restate in my own words, liberally adding content along the way.

The red states will keep their Judeo-Christian values and “In God We Trust,” de facto retaining all current currency, since the blue Convention made it clear they didn’t even want “God” referenced in their platform. They’ll also retain the Pledge of Allegiance, for the same reason. The blue states will be free to indulge in all the humanism, political correctness, and diversity inculcation they want.

The blue states can implement unfettered infanticide against the unborn, while the red states will choose to protect life, especially the most vulnerable and innocent of all.

Since the red states don’t like taxes, they’ll reduce their rates, allowing the blue states to raise theirs as high as they please. But since the blue states don’t like the one-percenters, the red states will claim all of them, except the ones who’re convinced they aren’t paying enough in taxes. Those will all move to Hollywood. The red states can then fully implement trickle-down wealth, while the blue states continue their trickle-up poverty.

The red states can continue to balance their budgets and maintain solvency; and since the blue states don’t care about the size of the national debt, they can take the $16 trillion on the books now and continue to spend like there’s no tomorrow. For there likely won’t be one.

The blue states can keep all of their nanny state programs, intrusive regulation, and liberty-destroying government meddling, and expand it to their hearts content, while the red states will opt for freedom. And closely related, the blue states can redistribute income as much as they want, while the red states can return to free market capitalism, allowing people to truly engage in the “pursuit of happiness.”

Since the blue states don’t like guns or care too much for the military, and seem to think of them as more of a test-tube environment to practice social engineering on, the red states will take the military, all of the firearms, and the NRA. That would also be a great way to ensure that the only ones in the blue states with firearms are criminals, since law abiding citizens will not have them.

The blue states can keep Obamacare, and the red states can take the doctors who don’t like it, which according to the most recent poll, was 83% of them.

Aside from illustrating a few of the points of disaffection of our divided America, this exercise, especially if carried to logical conclusions, provides an insight into what the state of the nation would degenerate to if unbridled liberalism had its way. Succinctly, their agenda is untenable without the morality and financial resources of the taxpayers, producers, employers, laborers, and middle class of the right. Eventually the blue states would be at the doorstep of the red states pleading for a bailout and a rescue plan.

Clearly, there will be no secessionist states, or division of resources like a divorce settlement. But the depth and breadth of our cultural divide is clearly bifurcated. I guess we’ll just have to cope like embattled spouses in an unhappy marriage, and try to get along as best we can. This may require some compromises along the way, but that means giving a little on both sides, not just a caving in by the red side.

AP award winning columnist Richard Larsen is President of Larsen Financial, a brokerage and financial planning firm in Pocatello, and is a graduate of Idaho State University with a BA in Political Science and History and former member of the Idaho State Journal Editorial Board.  He can be reached at rlarsenen@cableone.net.

Photo credit: DonkeyHotey (Creative Commons)

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blues_pagan
by on Nov. 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM
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" I guess we’ll just have to cope like embattled spouses in an unhappy marriage, and try to get along as best we can. This may require some compromises along the way, but that means giving a little on both sides, not just a caving in by the red side."


Here is the thing, no one is asking the red side to cave.  Instead we are asking them to negotiate like adults.  Not sit there like the whining little kids they are right now and just say no to everything that passes their desk simply because things didn't go their way.  Work with the left on the budget issue, on the economy, on jobs, on Veterans issues (since we now have many of them), and all of the other issues that America is facing.  Part of negotiating is giving in at times but not all of the time.  You saw this with the health care bill.  The Affordable Care Act passed because the left negotiated, gave up some things on their side and gave to the right so that it could pass.  

Hsmom1966
by on Nov. 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Now that is entertainment.  Although it is not realistic, it is definitely an interesting concept to sit and ponder.  Simplistic in nature, as in it does simplify the complex nature of some very difficult topics that our country has been struggling with for years.  I know I have some friends and family who would be willing to be a part of this divorce settlement for sure!  Thanks for the post :)  

Hsmom1966
by on Nov. 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Oh but then you would have to get everyone to leave the ego.....not the individual.....outside by the door.  So stop the whining, name calling, and finger pointing, blame game, and get over your self because it is about being an individual inside the mixed up, jumbled upside down nation.  

Canvas_says
by Silver Member on Nov. 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM
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That's a divorce decree I could get behind.

MomTiara19
by Silver Member on Nov. 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM
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In America we take a vote and the majority wins.

You cant divide from your country just because you do not like the president.Alot of people did not like Bush.Yet did Americans sign petitions to leave with this muchvolume, venom and spite??

Honestly I think it is pure hate against Obama and not a love for country.If republicans loved America they would pray for Obama and work with him not against him.

Obama reached out to Romney and many other republicans in the senate.They just looked down on his extended hand for compromise and broke the olive branch.

This is the issue of people with extreme right views....and Obama is not the problem....this negative attitude about what being an American is.Your view and that is it.

Yes everyone has a right to their emotions and ideology views...but like it or not segregation is over....and civil rights is more American than imposition of severe conservative views.

We are not a divided country we are a united country.You can not just jump ship over an ideology that is too extreme for most moderates to swallow.America and government cannot buckle to every whim of a disgruntled voter.We are a united America who looks out for our fellow man in unity and the majority voted for Obama.

Obama has already been our president for four years and despite critics(all of a sudden the world is going to end?)....we are doing fine and in 4 more years will be even better.

Live your life....what has Obama done to you....make you pay taxes??Everyone that works is a tax payer and you cannot parse who gets the cut....sorry the elected party in government does.....so sorry it is Obama....but he won.

resipsa
by Member on Nov. 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM
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That's a great post. So many words and yet not one bit of reality in the whole thing. Every single point you made is false. Congratulations 

Quoting MomTiara19:

In America we take a vote and the majority wins.

You cant divide from your country just because you do not like the president.Alot of people did not like Bush.Yet did Americans sign petitions to leave with this much venom and spite??

Honestly I think it is pure hate against Obama and not a love for country.If republicans loved American they would pray for Obama and work with him not against him.

Obama reached out to Romney and many other republicans in the senate.They just looked down on his hand and broke the olive branch.

This is the issue of people with extreme right views....and Obama is not the problem....this negative attitude about being an American is.

Yes everyone has a right to their emotions...but like it or not segregation is over....we are not a divided country we are a united country.You cannot just jump ship over an ideology that is extreme.America and government cannot buckle to every whim of a disgruntled voter.We are a united America who looks out for our fellow man in unity and the majority voted for Obama.

Obama has already been our president for four years and despite critics(all of a sudden the world is going to end?)....we are doing fine and in 4 more years will be even better.

Live your life....what has Obama done to you....make you pay taxes??Everyone that works is a tax payer and you cannot parse who gets the cut....sorry the elected party in government does.....so sorry it is Obama....but he won.


resipsa
by Member on Nov. 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM
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You're wrong. The GOP offered compromises on taxes in 2011 and Obama said no.


obamacare passed without any GOP votes because the dems wouldn't compromise on anything



dems are the party of no. Just look at Reid's senate which hasn't passed a budget. When Obama said the GOP was "no", he was lying. That's just a fact 

Quoting blues_pagan:

" I guess we’ll just have to cope like embattled spouses in an unhappy marriage, and try to get along as best we can. This may require some compromises along the way, but that means giving a little on both sides, not just a caving in by the red side."


Here is the thing, no one is asking the red side to cave.  Instead we are asking them to negotiate like adults.  Not sit there like the whining little kids they are right now and just say no to everything that passes their desk simply because things didn't go their way.  Work with the left on the budget issue, on the economy, on jobs, on Veterans issues (since we now have many of them), and all of the other issues that America is facing.  Part of negotiating is giving in at times but not all of the time.  You saw this with the health care bill.  The Affordable Care Act passed because the left negotiated, gave up some things on their side and gave to the right so that it could pass.  


PamR
by Platinum Member on Nov. 18, 2012 at 10:22 AM

The Secessionist movement.  There is no movement, just a few disgruntled people who can't accept the fact that the election didn't go their way.  There are always people unhappy with the outcome of an election, but you don't see this kind of idiocy.  People need to get a grip and get the hell over it.  The day will come when their party is back in the WH and they'll be able to move forward with their lives again.  These people are just a joke.

trippyhippy
by Silver Member on Nov. 18, 2012 at 10:25 AM
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I think they should rename it the whiney brat movement or the non patriot, I hate America movement, or maybe the temper tantrum because we didn't get our way movement.

Friday
by Platinum Member on Nov. 18, 2012 at 12:21 PM

I love the smell of ignorant partisan bullshit in the morning, makes me feel alive.

"The problem with the world today is there are too many stupid people.....and no one to eat em!"


~Carlos Mencia

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