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The Real Root of Atheists' Anti-Christmas Rage

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 Why do some atheists embarrass themselves year after year trying to eradicate Christmas from American culture? Why do they make themselves societal hemorrhoids during this hallowed season? Is it because they are crusaders for equality, secularism’s saviors and humanism’s heroes? I’m sure that’s what they tell themselves when they’re pouting on their couches all alone on Christmas Eve after every single one of their friends has dumped them for being a rabid jackass.

I believe, however—and I could be wrong—that the reason some rage against the machine is that they hate God and love their sin, and bringing up Jesus in December is not the way they wanted to finish off the year. Indeed, Christ really rains on their parade … and they love their parade.

Christmas, if you really get down to the brass tacks of it, isn’t about reindeer, elves, iPhones or Lindsay Lohan punching a gypsy, but about mankind’s sin problem and what God did to remedy it by sending His Son.

I know the chief facet most people focus on regarding Christ’s birth has been the peace on earth and good will toward men stuff, but if you dig around in the gospels a tad you’ll quickly see that the “peace on earth” thing is an ancillary perk to the main reason the second person of the godhead donned an earth suit and decided to hang out with us dunderheads. The core cause that necessitated Jesus’ incarnation was our jacked up carnality. Yep, Hambone, it was our sin. There, I said it. Sin. Yours, mine and ours.

Transgression was the reason for the season.

This is why El Diablo didn’t pass out cigars at Jesus’ birth. Happy he was not that the Son was not only going to address our sins but He was going to eternally and temporally salvage those who believe from sin’s fetid effects. This is why slewfoot energized Herod to put a hit out on the Nazarene when He was a wee little baby and why Satan’s demon inspired ilk are anti-Christmas to this day. Jesus’ birth equated to Satan’s demise.

This is not good news to some, though. Indeed, many atheists are up front about it and don’t want to leave their wantonness. As Jesus Himself said, they prefer darkness to light and don’t like to be reminded of their personal accountability for their sin—and thus their need for salvation—and therefore we should not expect them to be stoked about Jesus’ birthday party.

This is easy math, folks: A person who has no remorse and thus no desire to repent from their sins is probably not going to be a big advocate for the celebration of the person who reminds them they’re wrong and calls them to repent and believe.

Call me goofy, but I’m forever grateful for Jesus’ birth, His attesting miracles, His sacrificial death, burial and resurrection. While most atheists this Christmas will be drinking to forget, I will, as Martin Luther said, drink to remember the One who was and is and is to come.

http:/ / townhall. com/columnists/douggiles/2012/12/02/the_real_root_of_atheists_antichristmas_rage/page/full/

 

by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 4:35 PM
Replies (21-30):
Simply_Janeen
by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 5:56 PM

You must live in an area where there isn't a lot of religious diversity. You should hear my husband and his fellow church friends on Catholics sometime. Put it this way, I think if DH had to choose whether I should be atheist or Catholic, he'd pick atheist. I was part of the Catholic church for some time, went to Catholic school in elementary and middle school, and I went to a Catholic university for a few years so I'm somewhat versed on the religion but yeah, there are definitely some religions that seem to frown on it.

Religious beliefs are a tricky thing. You have something that says that if you do not believe in a certain way, you're going to hell. That right there I think tends to make religion diversive.

Quoting VeronicaTex:

This article was a very interesting read, and I agree with it 100%.


Adding, to tell the truth,  the Internet is the only place I have ever come across in my lifetime that has the animosity toward Catholics and Christians I have ever seen.  I have grown to expect this -constantly.

I have never felt this in the real world.  

I got my first PC ever in 2006.

It has been quite an exposure.....

Thank God there are more benevolent than malevolent people in the world I choose to be in.

That is why I stay.

Even more than that:  I stay to Praise God for who He is!!!!


Veronica-Roman Catholic



Janeen

Rational, freethinking, atheist and mom to two hurricanes: Natalie (6) and Isabelle (2).

VeronicaTex
by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 6:26 PM
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I live in a very large city in Central Texas. There is diversity-I just am not part of it, as I am on the Internet.

My marriage, my career as a teacher to a certain degree, my religion, my interests and my daughter's needs have led me to stay in a "certain circle", which, after having lived in Bolivia when I was 17 and having been in the military stationed in California, Massachusetts and West Berlin, Germany, while the Wall was still up,  is not such a bad thing. 

I am enjoying pure bliss being a Stay At Home Mom, worshipping and living as I please, in a very special way with my family and having an intimate realtionship with God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

I live to be with people of like-spirit, in which before I had no real choice.

I am blessed to have been baptized Catholic.

Catholicism will always be the Religion for me.  

Yes, there are bad apples everywhere,(actually the only ones I ever met were in one parent-run Catholic school, )  but in the Catholic Churches I now attend,  I have been blessed to meet very humble people and now am learning so much more about the faith I will never stray from,  through keeping in touch with EWTN-Eternal Word Television Network-The Catholic Channel.

About believing "that certain way":  I believe the message many times given by Christians/Catholics is misinterpreted.

I believe for the most part all people know what sin is...

Going from that point:  

I believe the message is this:  In a way it is advice to point a person in the right direction, away from an eternity of eternal flames and loneliness) "If you, in general, do not change your ways of living which are between you and your salvation: an eternity in Heaven (I am Roman Catholic/Christian speaking here), you will be choosing where you will spend your eternity."

It will not be in Paradise.

However, there is always time to change....

Veronica-Roman Catholic



Quoting Simply_Janeen:

You must live in an area where there isn't a lot of religious diversity. You should hear my husband and his fellow church friends on Catholics sometime. Put it this way, I think if DH had to choose whether I should be atheist or Catholic, he'd pick atheist. I was part of the Catholic church for some time, went to Catholic school in elementary and middle school, and I went to a Catholic university for a few years so I'm somewhat versed on the religion but yeah, there are definitely some religions that seem to frown on it.

Religious beliefs are a tricky thing. You have something that says that if you do not believe in a certain way, you're going to hell. That right there I think tends to make religion diversive.

Quoting VeronicaTex:

This article was a very interesting read, and I agree with it 100%.


Adding, to tell the truth,  the Internet is the only place I have ever come across in my lifetime that has the animosity toward Catholics and Christians I have ever seen.  I have grown to expect this -constantly.

I have never felt this in the real world.  

I got my first PC ever in 2006.

It has been quite an exposure.....

Thank God there are more benevolent than malevolent people in the world I choose to be in.

That is why I stay.

Even more than that:  I stay to Praise God for who He is!!!!


Veronica-Roman Catholic




Simply_Janeen
by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 6:46 PM
3 moms liked this

Well Veronica, I don't believe in hell (or heaven for that matter) nor do I have any fear of hell. In fact, it was realizing that that took me more down the path to declaring myself an atheist. Before that, it was realizing I did not have faith in god.

You may find this an interesting read. It was written in our local paper not too long ago:


Quote:


THE PROBLEM WITH RELIGION


One of the many difficulties with the world’s religions is that each believes itself to be correct, and all the others to be wrong. Each religion holds critical beliefs that are utterly incompatible with the others. How do we know which we should believe? If having the wrong ideas leads to eternal suffering, we need to know which ones are right.

There are about 2.2 billion Christians on this planet. In order to be identified as a Christian, one must believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that He was raised from the dead, and that His death offers eternal salvation to all of Mankind. If one does not accept these basic ideas, he really cannot call himself a Christian. Christians believe the Biblical stories about Jesus to be literal, historical truth. However, Earth contains over 7 billion people, meaning that a large majority does not believe these ideas about Jesus. How can it be that so few have this vital knowledge? Does it make sense that a majority of the world’s people could be condemned to eternal despair, simply due to geography?

There are about 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. They believe that Jesus was a lesser prophet than Mohammed, and that God’s true word is revealed only through Mohammed. Though they believe in essentially the same God, they have very different ideas about how He wants us to live in order to be accepted into heaven.
There are about 13 million Jews in the world, and none of them believes that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, or that his death gives us eternal salvation. They believe he was a false messiah, and that the true messiah has not yet come. Islam, Judaism, and Christianity therefore have irreconcilable, non-negotiable ideas about the divinity of Jesus Christ. They cannot all be right.

There are about 1 billion Hindus on this planet, and they do not believe Jesus was a divine being. Hinduism is one of the oldest religions on the planet, predating all the monotheistic religions by centuries. They believe we are reincarnated to live on Earth over and over again. Hindu belief spans monotheism, polytheism, and atheism, clearly an irresolvable conflict with Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.
There are about 500 million Buddhists in the world, and none of them believes in a personal God. They are, therefore, atheist by definition. They do not believe that humans possess an eternal soul. They believe in reincarnation, which is irreconcilable with the beliefs of the monotheistic majority. Buddhism predates those religions by centuries.

There are about 500 million Taoists and Confucianists in the world, and none of them believes in a personal God or the central ideas of Christianity. They identify with multiple Gods, but believe death is final and irrevocable. Consequently, the idea of salvation has no meaning for them.

There are innumerable other religions, each with their own ideas about our origins and our fate. Does it make sense that something as important as the knowledge of the fate of Mankind would be revealed to only a minority, and that the knowledge is not verifiable, but available only through word of mouth? Any sufficiently advanced society in the world could verify the speed of light and the basic laws of planetary motion. Anthropologists of any culture could discover the fact of evolution in the fossil record. Anyone could derive the Pythagorean Theorem from simpler mathematics. Such concepts, independently verifiable by anyone of any culture or age, are very likely to be true.

The world’s religions, on the other hand, are mutually incompatible with one another. Therefore, they cannot all be correct. However, they can all be wrong. From the dawn of human consciousness, we have sought answers to the big questions of why we are here and where we are going. However, we must remain humble enough to say that we simply do not know. No other answer is supported by evidence, and any claim to specific knowledge will be opposed by a majority of the world’s people. It then comes down to faith.

Where faith is concerned, I agree with the co-founder of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Dan Barker, when he said, “Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can’t be taken on its own merits.”

Maria Runde is a member of the Lacrosse Area Freethought Society

Quoting VeronicaTex:

I live in a very large city in Central Texas. There is diversity-I just am not part of it, as I am on the Internet.

My marriage, my career as a teacher to a certain degree, my religion, my interests and my daughter's needs have led me to stay in a "certain circle", which, after having lived in Bolivia when I was 17 and having been in the military stationed in California, Massachusetts and West Berlin, Germany, while the Wall was still up,  is not such a bad thing. 

I am enjoying pure bliss being a Stay At Home Mom, worshipping and living as I please, in a very special way with my family and having an intimate realtionship with God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

I live to be with people of like-spirit, in which before I had no real choice.

I am blessed to have been baptized Catholic.

Catholicism will always be the Religion for me.  

Yes, there are bad apples everywhere,(actually the only ones I ever met were in one parent-run Catholic school, )  but in the Catholic Churches I now attend,  I have been blessed to meet very humble people and now am learning so much more about the faith I will never stray from,  through keeping in touch with EWTN-Eternal Word Television Network-The Catholic Channel.

About believing "that certain way":  I believe the message many times given by Christians/Catholics is misinterpreted.

I believe for the most part all people know what sin is...

Going from that point:  

I believe the message is this:  In a way it is advice to point a person in the right direction, away from an eternity of eternal flames and loneliness) "If you, in general, do not change your ways of living which are between you and your salvation: an eternity in Heaven (I am Roman Catholic/Christian speaking here), you will be choosing where you will spend your eternity."

It will not be in Paradise.

However, there is always time to change....

Veronica-Roman Catholic



Quoting Simply_Janeen:

You must live in an area where there isn't a lot of religious diversity. You should hear my husband and his fellow church friends on Catholics sometime. Put it this way, I think if DH had to choose whether I should be atheist or Catholic, he'd pick atheist. I was part of the Catholic church for some time, went to Catholic school in elementary and middle school, and I went to a Catholic university for a few years so I'm somewhat versed on the religion but yeah, there are definitely some religions that seem to frown on it.

Religious beliefs are a tricky thing. You have something that says that if you do not believe in a certain way, you're going to hell. That right there I think tends to make religion diversive.

Quoting VeronicaTex:

This article was a very interesting read, and I agree with it 100%.


Adding, to tell the truth,  the Internet is the only place I have ever come across in my lifetime that has the animosity toward Catholics and Christians I have ever seen.  I have grown to expect this -constantly.

I have never felt this in the real world.  

I got my first PC ever in 2006.

It has been quite an exposure.....

Thank God there are more benevolent than malevolent people in the world I choose to be in.

That is why I stay.

Even more than that:  I stay to Praise God for who He is!!!!


Veronica-Roman Catholic




That said, again, I personally have nothing against Christmas. I have always loved the holiday and feel something magical within it. And even though I do not believe in a god, I believe in being a good human being and I continue to work at that even though I know I'm not perfect at it.

Janeen

Rational, freethinking, atheist and mom to two hurricanes: Natalie (6) and Isabelle (2).

JustCJ
by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Oh boy did you hit the nail on the head with that one.

Quoting grace1973:

I am not an atheist,  but have several in my immediate family and I would say your guess is spot on.  Additionally, they strongly subscribe to the concept of true separation of church and state and simply don't like seeing it appear to be 'sanctioned'. 

Quoting MsDenuninani:

I can't speak for them, cause I love love love Christmas, but my guess is because they actually dislike having religious edicts shoved down their throat 365 days of the year, but during Christmas it is particularly obnoxious.

That would be my guess. 



VeronicaTex
by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Simply put about the "interesting read":  Despite the world statistics, I am Catholic forever.

My salvation is my own, based on a very deep, very meaningful, very timely relationship with God.

It began when I was baptized and evolved.

As I review my life, all was meant to happen as it did.

Only I can know that...

Veronica

Quoting Simply_Janeen:

Well Veronica, I don't believe in hell (or heaven for that matter) nor do I have any fear of hell. In fact, it was realizing that that took me more down the path to declaring myself an atheist. Before that, it was realizing I did not have faith in god.

You may find this an interesting read. It was written in our local paper not too long ago:


Quote:


THE PROBLEM WITH RELIGION


One of the many difficulties with the world’s religions is that each believes itself to be correct, and all the others to be wrong. Each religion holds critical beliefs that are utterly incompatible with the others. How do we know which we should believe? If having the wrong ideas leads to eternal suffering, we need to know which ones are right.

There are about 2.2 billion Christians on this planet. In order to be identified as a Christian, one must believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that He was raised from the dead, and that His death offers eternal salvation to all of Mankind. If one does not accept these basic ideas, he really cannot call himself a Christian. Christians believe the Biblical stories about Jesus to be literal, historical truth. However, Earth contains over 7 billion people, meaning that a large majority does not believe these ideas about Jesus. How can it be that so few have this vital knowledge? Does it make sense that a majority of the world’s people could be condemned to eternal despair, simply due to geography?

There are about 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. They believe that Jesus was a lesser prophet than Mohammed, and that God’s true word is revealed only through Mohammed. Though they believe in essentially the same God, they have very different ideas about how He wants us to live in order to be accepted into heaven.
There are about 13 million Jews in the world, and none of them believes that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, or that his death gives us eternal salvation. They believe he was a false messiah, and that the true messiah has not yet come. Islam, Judaism, and Christianity therefore have irreconcilable, non-negotiable ideas about the divinity of Jesus Christ. They cannot all be right.

There are about 1 billion Hindus on this planet, and they do not believe Jesus was a divine being. Hinduism is one of the oldest religions on the planet, predating all the monotheistic religions by centuries. They believe we are reincarnated to live on Earth over and over again. Hindu belief spans monotheism, polytheism, and atheism, clearly an irresolvable conflict with Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.
There are about 500 million Buddhists in the world, and none of them believes in a personal God. They are, therefore, atheist by definition. They do not believe that humans possess an eternal soul. They believe in reincarnation, which is irreconcilable with the beliefs of the monotheistic majority. Buddhism predates those religions by centuries.

There are about 500 million Taoists and Confucianists in the world, and none of them believes in a personal God or the central ideas of Christianity. They identify with multiple Gods, but believe death is final and irrevocable. Consequently, the idea of salvation has no meaning for them.

There are innumerable other religions, each with their own ideas about our origins and our fate. Does it make sense that something as important as the knowledge of the fate of Mankind would be revealed to only a minority, and that the knowledge is not verifiable, but available only through word of mouth? Any sufficiently advanced society in the world could verify the speed of light and the basic laws of planetary motion. Anthropologists of any culture could discover the fact of evolution in the fossil record. Anyone could derive the Pythagorean Theorem from simpler mathematics. Such concepts, independently verifiable by anyone of any culture or age, are very likely to be true.

The world’s religions, on the other hand, are mutually incompatible with one another. Therefore, they cannot all be correct. However, they can all be wrong. From the dawn of human consciousness, we have sought answers to the big questions of why we are here and where we are going. However, we must remain humble enough to say that we simply do not know. No other answer is supported by evidence, and any claim to specific knowledge will be opposed by a majority of the world’s people. It then comes down to faith.

Where faith is concerned, I agree with the co-founder of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Dan Barker, when he said, “Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can’t be taken on its own merits.”

Maria Runde is a member of the Lacrosse Area Freethought Society

Quoting VeronicaTex:

I live in a very large city in Central Texas. There is diversity-I just am not part of it, as I am on the Internet.

My marriage, my career as a teacher to a certain degree, my religion, my interests and my daughter's needs have led me to stay in a "certain circle", which, after having lived in Bolivia when I was 17 and having been in the military stationed in California, Massachusetts and West Berlin, Germany, while the Wall was still up,  is not such a bad thing. 

I am enjoying pure bliss being a Stay At Home Mom, worshipping and living as I please, in a very special way with my family and having an intimate realtionship with God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

I live to be with people of like-spirit, in which before I had no real choice.

I am blessed to have been baptized Catholic.

Catholicism will always be the Religion for me.  

Yes, there are bad apples everywhere,(actually the only ones I ever met were in one parent-run Catholic school, )  but in the Catholic Churches I now attend,  I have been blessed to meet very humble people and now am learning so much more about the faith I will never stray from,  through keeping in touch with EWTN-Eternal Word Television Network-The Catholic Channel.

About believing "that certain way":  I believe the message many times given by Christians/Catholics is misinterpreted.

I believe for the most part all people know what sin is...

Going from that point:  

I believe the message is this:  In a way it is advice to point a person in the right direction, away from an eternity of eternal flames and loneliness) "If you, in general, do not change your ways of living which are between you and your salvation: an eternity in Heaven (I am Roman Catholic/Christian speaking here), you will be choosing where you will spend your eternity."

It will not be in Paradise.

However, there is always time to change....

Veronica-Roman Catholic











That said, again, I personally have nothing against Christmas. I have always loved the holiday and feel something magical within it. And even though I do not believe in a god, I believe in being a good human being and I continue to work at that even though I know I'm not perfect at it.


AlekD
by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 7:53 PM
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It does seem that way. I mean I definitely think the rage and anger from some of them is a sign of some deep emotional distress. I think its best to just pray for them and move on. Christians weren't supposed to be loved by the world. If you ever find yourself, as a Christian, being wholeheartedly embraced by the world it is time to take a look at yourself.
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Bek22
by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 9:55 PM
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Wow. That was well said. There will be many that make fun of this post and try to rip it to shreds because it isn't what they like to hear. I agree with you and I know it's not hip or cool to agree with you, but I do. I love God very much. He has completely changed my life in every way. Merry Christmas to you.
Friday
by Platinum Member on Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:39 PM
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Based on the comments I've seen, I have to conclude that the Christians who are bitching about religious displays on govt property must be terribly insecure in their faith so need the displays to help bolster their faith. Since one can have them on their person, private property, stores, malls, etc that's the only logical conclusion I can come to.



Church of The Invisible Pink Unicorn (blessed be her holy hooves)

one_on_the_way
by on Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:46 PM
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The only atheists I know are very smart people --- they aren't any more or less 'sinful' than the Christians I know.  

I don't understand Christian's obsession with having their religious beliefs represented all over the place --- (which is represented by their anger and tantrums about it when their faith's representation in public spaces is threatened to be removed).

Get over yourselves.  Seriously.  

Every other religion (or lack thereof) is okay with THEIR religion not being represented all over the place.  What makes you so special?  

(and PLEASE do not say "our country was founded on Christianity" --- if it was, there would be no thought to mention 'freedom of religion',..it would have been 'freedom of Christianity'.  

Friday
by Platinum Member on Dec. 6, 2012 at 10:52 PM
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Quoting one_on_the_way:

The only atheists I know are very smart people --- they aren't any more or less 'sinful' than the Christians I know.  

I don't understand Christian's obsession with having their religious beliefs represented all over the place --- (which is represented by their anger and tantrums about it when their faith's representation in public spaces is threatened to be removed).

Get over yourselves.  Seriously.  

Every other religion (or lack thereof) is okay with THEIR religion not being represented all over the place.  What makes you so special?  

(and PLEASE do not say "our country was founded on Christianity" --- if it was, there would be no thought to mention 'freedom of religion',..it would have been 'freedom of Christianity'.  

Thank you. I would think the Founders would have mentioned it in the Constitution if this were meant to be a Christian Nation.


Church of The Invisible Pink Unicorn (blessed be her holy hooves)

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