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Should Churches be tax exempt?

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Should Churches Get Tax Breaks?

INTRODUCTION

Trinity Broadcasting Network's Holy Land ExperienceBrian Blanco for The New York TimesDoes the Trinity Broadcasting Network’s Holy Land Experience, a theme park in Orlando, really deserve a tax break?

The Trinity Broadcasting Network has always been proud of its extravagant profits, but rarely mentions the extravagant tax breaks that fueled them. According to a recent lawsuit, the company provides mansions for executives and calls them “parsonages” to avoid property taxes, and it ordains TBN chauffeurs and sound engineers and performers at the Holy Land Experience theme park, meaning their pay is tax-free.

Religious exemptions from taxes and regulations are often thought of as separating church and state, but are they having the opposite effect — serving as a state subsidy for religious organizations? Should religious entities be subject to taxes and rules like labor and civil rights laws?


Read the debates here and what is your opinion?

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/05/09/should-churches-get-tax-breaks/tax-breaks-good-for-religion-good-for-america

by on Dec. 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM
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Dzyre1115
by Bronze Member on Dec. 30, 2012 at 1:44 AM
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 If you want them to blur the lines of separation of church and state that could backfire, particularly for those with no church, like yourself.  Tread lightly!

Quoting blues_pagan:

Churches are no exempt from law.  The only thing that the Constitution covers is the freedom to exercise your religion and that the government will not establish one religion over the others.

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 Taxes are an act of law, something that religious institutions are exempt from by order of the Constitution, so no!


 

blues_pagan
by on Dec. 30, 2012 at 1:44 AM

You assume I have no "church".  I have a place of worship it is just different than yours. 

And once again the Seperation of Church and state isn't even in the Constitution.  It was in a letter. 


Quoting Dzyre1115:

 If you want them to blur the lines of separation of church and state that could backfire, particularly for those with no church, like yourself.  Tread lightly!

Quoting blues_pagan:

Churches are no exempt from law.  The only thing that the Constitution covers is the freedom to exercise your religion and that the government will not establish one religion over the others.

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 Taxes are an act of law, something that religious institutions are exempt from by order of the Constitution, so no!


 


Mommy_of_Riley
by Just Jess on Dec. 30, 2012 at 1:45 AM
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There is no such thing in the Constitution...

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 Taxes are an act of law, something that religious institutions are exempt from by order of the Constitution, so no!

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Erinelizz
by Bronze Member on Dec. 30, 2012 at 1:47 AM
What about the theme park discussed in the article? Do you believe it should be tax exempt as well?


Quoting Godgaveme4:

Thank you. I was not positive.



I still think they should be tax exempt.




Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

That is incorrect. Churches currently are tax exempt, they do not pay property taxes.





Quoting Godgaveme4:

All churches.







Churches pay some taxes. They pay employment taxes and I believe they pay property taxes. But they should not have to pay taxes on donations.








Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

If I may add a question...









Why? And which ones? All churches?










Quoting blues_pagan:

Why?

Quoting Godgaveme4:

Yes they should.



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Godgaveme4
by Bronze Member on Dec. 30, 2012 at 1:47 AM
First it is constitutional. The government stays out of churches and the church stays out of government. And churches do many great thing with the donations. People are actually being helped...unlike tax money given to the government.

And the church...the people...pay taxes on the wages they earn already before they donate it. That is a lot of people paying taxes every year.


Quoting blues_pagan:

Once again, why?

Quoting Godgaveme4:

Thank you. I was not positive.



I still think they should be tax exempt.




Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

That is incorrect. Churches currently are tax exempt, they do not pay property taxes.





Quoting Godgaveme4:

All churches.







Churches pay some taxes. They pay employment taxes and I believe they pay property taxes. But they should not have to pay taxes on donations.








Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

If I may add a question...









Why? And which ones? All churches?










Quoting blues_pagan:

Why?

Quoting Godgaveme4:

Yes they should.



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cueballsmom
by Member on Dec. 30, 2012 at 1:49 AM
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If a church can show that half it's earnings go out into it's community, tax exempt.
If a church keeps 51% of that profit, it should be taxed at business rates for that year.
That's my stand.
Dzyre1115
by Bronze Member on Dec. 30, 2012 at 1:50 AM
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 As I said, if you invite them into politics, should they pay taxes, you are blurring the lines and opening a terrible can of worms......but foolish liberalism is how we've gotten to the place we're in now, so many never learn!  Inviting religious organizations into politics as long as they pay taxes puts us in line with many Arab Nations, nations run by religion, one majority religion that all must follow, is that the direction you are looking to go?

Quoting blues_pagan:

You assume I have no "church".  I have a place of worship it is just different than yours. 

And once again the Seperation of Church and state isn't even in the Constitution.  It was in a letter. 


Quoting Dzyre1115:

 If you want them to blur the lines of separation of church and state that could backfire, particularly for those with no church, like yourself.  Tread lightly!

Quoting blues_pagan:

Churches are no exempt from law.  The only thing that the Constitution covers is the freedom to exercise your religion and that the government will not establish one religion over the others.

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 Taxes are an act of law, something that religious institutions are exempt from by order of the Constitution, so no!


 


 

blues_pagan
by on Dec. 30, 2012 at 1:51 AM

The only thing about churchs and government is that we have the freedom to exercise whatever religion we choose and the government will not establish a national religion.  That is all. 

So it isn't a Constitutional issue.

What do you think about churches that can make multimillion dollar buildings?  

And businesses are taxed even though their revenue comes from people's money that has already been taxed so that is a loose debate.

Quoting Godgaveme4:

First it is constitutional. The government stays out of churches and the church stays out of government. And churches do many great thing with the donations. People are actually being helped...unlike tax money given to the government.

And the church...the people...pay taxes on the wages they earn already before they donate it. That is a lot of people paying taxes every year.


Quoting blues_pagan:

Once again, why?

Quoting Godgaveme4:

Thank you. I was not positive.



I still think they should be tax exempt.




Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

That is incorrect. Churches currently are tax exempt, they do not pay property taxes.





Quoting Godgaveme4:

All churches.







Churches pay some taxes. They pay employment taxes and I believe they pay property taxes. But they should not have to pay taxes on donations.








Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

If I may add a question...









Why? And which ones? All churches?










Quoting blues_pagan:

Why?

Quoting Godgaveme4:

Yes they should.




blues_pagan
by on Dec. 30, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Religion is already playing a role in politics.  If it didn't then we wouldn't be having arguements over Roe v. Wade, birth control and gay marriage.

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 As I said, if you invite them into politics, should they pay taxes, you are blurring the lines and opening a terrible can of worms......but foolish liberalism is how we've gotten to the place we're in now, so many never learn!  Inviting religious organizations into politics as long as they pay taxes puts us in line with many Arab Nations, nations run by religion, one majority religion that all must follow, is that the direction you are looking to go?

Quoting blues_pagan:

You assume I have no "church".  I have a place of worship it is just different than yours. 

And once again the Seperation of Church and state isn't even in the Constitution.  It was in a letter. 


Quoting Dzyre1115:

 If you want them to blur the lines of separation of church and state that could backfire, particularly for those with no church, like yourself.  Tread lightly!

Quoting blues_pagan:

Churches are no exempt from law.  The only thing that the Constitution covers is the freedom to exercise your religion and that the government will not establish one religion over the others.

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 Taxes are an act of law, something that religious institutions are exempt from by order of the Constitution, so no!


 


 


Mommy_of_Riley
by Just Jess on Dec. 30, 2012 at 1:52 AM
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I wonder if some of you are aware that churches used to pay taxes... It was decided individually by each state...
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