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When It's Time to Give Up On Your Country

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When It's Time to Give Up On Your Country
By Dr. Steve Sjuggerud
Thursday, January 3, 2013
France's leaders are calling actor Gerard Depardieu "unpatriotic" and "pathetic."

You see, Depardieu is leaving France. He's leaving because of the new French tax laws.

French President François Hollande is trying to push through a 75% income tax, plus a higher "wealth" tax, higher capital gains taxes, higher inheritance taxes, and a tax on selling your business, among other taxes.

Depardieu has had enough…

He said he paid 85% of his income in taxes last year. He says he's paid 145 million euros in taxes to France over his career (roughly $190 million).

So he's moving to Belgium to avoid taxes.

France's Prime Minister called this move "pathetic really." He continued: "Paying taxes is an act of patriotism and we're asking the rich to make a special effort here for the country."

At what level is tax no longer an "act of patriotism"? This question doesn't just apply to France… European countries are just a few years ahead of the U.S. in terms of becoming more socialist, with an insatiable demand for more of your income to pay for ever-growing government programs.

Depardieu took offense at being called "pathetic." Based on that, he offered to surrender his French passport. Belgium's finance minister said he welcomes Depardieu and "any other French citizens." And Russia's President Vladimir Putin offered Depardieu citizenship.

Other successful French citizens are leaving, too. For example, the founder of Moet Hennessy Louis Vuitton is also applying for citizenship in Belgium.

Even worse, not only are talented people leaving France, but you can't get talented people into France to work. "We can't bring high-level managers to France," Eric Chaney, an economist at French insurer AXA, told Bloomberg news. "They work in an international market. And the market price for those salaries is well above 1 million euros."

So major French companies are looking to hire senior managers in London or Amsterdam instead of Paris, Chaney explained. France will miss out on all their taxes. By raising tax rates so high, instead of getting more in taxes, France will get no taxes from these guys.

Again, at what level is tax no longer an "act of patriotism?" At what level does it become an "act of confiscation" by the government? And when that point is reached, when is it time to give up on your country?

I don't know what the right level is. It appears that Depardieu has found the level for himself… and that's 85% of his income.

What do you think is the right level? How much of your income should the government be allowed to take? Is Depardieu a traitor? Or is he courageous?

With ever-increasing budget deficits in the U.S., and no real political will (on either side of the aisle) to dramatically cut entitlements, it's a safe bet that higher and higher tax rates are coming in the U.S.

It's time to start thinking about how "patriotic" you want to be.
by on Jan. 3, 2013 at 12:28 PM
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pvtjokerus
by Gold Member on Jan. 3, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Yes...I saw something that they were fighting over it but have not heard an update. 

Quoting Meadowchik:

 

Quoting Ednarooni160:

I'm surprised the French haven't had an inhouse Boston Tea Party by now.

 Actually the tax has been declared unconstitutional by a top French court.


Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Jan. 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM
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I love my country ~ and I will support my country.

The government is something completely different. At this point, our 'leader' and our 'lawmakers' are nothing more than tollmasters on a road to slaverly. They aren't even bothering to try and hide it at this point. The government knows that there are enough people willfully (or ignorantly) dependent on it to make things ridiculously easy for a complete collapse and restructuring.  

TCgirlatheart
by TC on Jan. 3, 2013 at 1:37 PM
I've always felt its better to stay, and work to make your, general, country better.
I have never lived in extreme circumstances though, so I cannot say what I would do or how I would react for certain.
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pvtjokerus
by Gold Member on Jan. 3, 2013 at 1:50 PM

In 2012, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security cost the U.S.A. approximately 1.6 trillion. Nothing is being done by the democratic party to lower these cost.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I love my country ~ and I will support my country.

The government is something completely different. At this point, our 'leader' and our 'lawmakers' are nothing more than tollmasters on a road to slaverly. They aren't even bothering to try and hide it at this point. The government knows that there are enough people willfully (or ignorantly) dependent on it to make things ridiculously easy for a complete collapse and restructuring.  


Ednarooni160
by Eds on Jan. 3, 2013 at 2:13 PM


Quoting Meadowchik:

 

Quoting Ednarooni160:

I'm surprised the French haven't had an inhouse Boston Tea Party by now.

 Actually the tax has been declared unconstitutional by a top French court.

Thanks for the update.. : )

Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Jan. 3, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Medicare and SS were forced on the people. The democratic solution is death panels after years of fraud and misuse of both programs (mostly by the medical business itself, but with no oversight or control within the government that runs them).

Medicaid was introduced by the democrats and they keep trying to add to those who use it.

All three are a means to control the public through dependency and a lack of choice.

Quoting pvtjokerus:

In 2012, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security cost the U.S.A. approximately 1.6 trillion. Nothing is being done by the democratic party to lower these cost.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I love my country ~ and I will support my country.

The government is something completely different. At this point, our 'leader' and our 'lawmakers' are nothing more than tollmasters on a road to slaverly. They aren't even bothering to try and hide it at this point. The government knows that there are enough people willfully (or ignorantly) dependent on it to make things ridiculously easy for a complete collapse and restructuring.  

 


DSamuels
by Gold Member on Jan. 3, 2013 at 2:33 PM
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He wanted to go to Belgium and Russia did offer him citizenship.

Quoting Ednarooni160:



Quoting imamomzilla:

 Maybe it was Germany. I was half awake this morning...

Belgium...LOL

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Clairwil
by Gold Member on Jan. 3, 2013 at 3:47 PM
Quoting pvtjokerus:

When It's Time to Give Up On Your Country
By Dr. Steve Sjuggerud
Thursday, January 3, 2013
What do you think is the right level? How much of your income should the government be allowed to take?

It is the right of the population, via their government, to ask as much as they wish for the priviledge of citizenship, even 100% of income.

It is the right of the individual to decide the price is too high and seek citizenship elsewhere.


Historically, 50% has been supportable, whereas Britain found in the late 1970s that it too started to lose rich people at around the 80% - 90% income tax mark.

pvtjokerus
by Gold Member on Jan. 4, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Ouch! Therefore the Boston Tea Partiers were on to something! ;  )

Quoting Clairwil:

Quoting pvtjokerus:

When It's Time to Give Up On Your Country
By Dr. Steve Sjuggerud
Thursday, January 3, 2013
What do you think is the right level? How much of your income should the government be allowed to take?

It is the right of the population, via their government, to ask as much as they wish for the priviledge of citizenship, even 100% of income.

It is the right of the individual to decide the price is too high and seek citizenship elsewhere.

 

Historically, 50% has been supportable, whereas Britain found in the late 1970s that it too started to lose rich people at around the 80% - 90% income tax mark.


gsprofval
by Gold Member on Jan. 4, 2013 at 12:00 PM
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Social security has already been paid by those who work so the government shouldn't consider it a cost.

However, too many people get SSI who haven't paid into it and that's not what SSI if for.

The other problem is that the government has stolen money from SSI, wrote an IOU and never paid it back, so no wonder there is no money for it.

Quoting pvtjokerus:

In 2012, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security cost the U.S.A. approximately 1.6 trillion. Nothing is being done by the democratic party to lower these cost.

Quoting Farmlady09:

I love my country ~ and I will support my country.

The government is something completely different. At this point, our 'leader' and our 'lawmakers' are nothing more than tollmasters on a road to slaverly. They aren't even bothering to try and hide it at this point. The government knows that there are enough people willfully (or ignorantly) dependent on it to make things ridiculously easy for a complete collapse and restructuring.  

 


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