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This Portrait of Jesus in an Ohio Middle School Sparks Major Church vs. State Battle

FFRF Demands Removal of Jesus Portrait From Jackson Middle School | Ohio

A replica of the photo of Jesus that is hanging in Jackson Middle School (Photo Credit: Jackson County Daily)

Atheists are demanding that an Ohio school district remove an image of Jesus Christ that is currently hanging inside of Jackson Middle School. The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) claims that the portrait is potentially alienating non-Christian students and faculty, alike, and that it shows a public endorsement of Christianity over other faiths.

Despite these allegations, District Superintendent Phil Howard is refusing to remove the image unless he receives orders from a judge or the school board. The picture of Jesus and its posting is a decades-old student gift and initiative.

Currently, it is displayed in the school’s “Hall of Honor,” among pictures of other well-known individuals. According to WKKJ, the images featured in this hallway depict “influential figures and distinguished alumni.”

“A lot of things are permissible so long as they are student-led or student-initiated,” Howard explained, noting that pupils gave the image, thus allowing for it to hang.

The portrait was given to the school by a group of students in 1947. But after decades of hanging on the school’s walls without incident, the FFRF sent a letter on Jan. 2 to demand that it be taken down, charging that it is a violation of the First Amendment.

The Jackson County Daily reports that an anonymous source likely complained about the presence of the image, sending information about its presence to the Madison, Wisconsin-based organization:

It is believed that someone locally forwarded a photo of the picture to the foundation’s Staff Attorney Rebecca S. Markert, of Madison, Wisconsin. [...]

Markert protected the identity of the person who sent the information and would not divulge any information in regards to if this person was from Jackson. She indicated the foundation is a national membership organization that receives tips about church and state violations from all over the country and that they protect the identities of those individuals who make the reports. She also implied that many of the foundation’s members themselves are somewhat secretive because they don’t want to be outed in their communities as atheists.

In the letter, FFRF attorney Markert wrote that the image turns any student or staff member who does not embrace Jesus Christ “into an outsider.”

“If a large portrait of Jesus were to hang in Jackson Middle School, an objective observer would have no doubt that it had the district’s stamp of approval,” she added (read the full letter here).

FFRF Demands Removal of Jesus Portrait From Jackson Middle School | Ohio

Despite these claims, Howard is doubling down and has no intentions of complying.

“I’m certainly not going to run down there and take the picture down because some group from Madison, Wisconsin, who knows nothing about the culture of our community or why the picture is even there, wants me to take it down,” proclaimed the superintendent.

The debate is currently at a standstill, as the FFRF awaits a response from the district.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/church-vs-state-battle-erupts-over-middle-schools-portrait-of-jesus-christ-unconstitutional/

by on Jan. 8, 2013 at 2:11 AM
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jcribb16
by Primrose Foxglove on Jan. 9, 2013 at 11:54 PM
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Interesting how there is still prayer and devotional type messages in political inaugurations and other events of the gov't.  There are some who cannot accept that things like these are still included, are traditions, etc.  

This separation of church and state was not meant to completely wipe out these type things totally.  It was first started to ensure that there would never be only one religion in place, as there was under the King of England.  It was also to keep the gov't out of the schools.  

It's quite amazing how it's been completely twisted around from the original intent by those who loathe God, the idea of God, and anything God.  It's been taken past extreme into suppression.

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Quoting romalove:


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

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Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Now you just sound plain crazy. 

Tsk tsk tsk

 You remind me of you know who in the Bible. A sense of rage whenever Jesus said...I will be victorious smile mini

Tell that to the more than half the world who doesn't believe in your Jesus.

And less every day.

I have no rage.  It is annoying that we can't have a decent discussion because everything is about religion for you, but other than that, you (the generic you) are meaningless.

Good grief!!! Did you miss something, roma!? The topic of this post is.........

If you wish to discuss something other than religion and God than pls do NOT visit a post about God~+

FFRF Demands Removal of Jesus Portrait From Jackson Middle School | Ohio

This Portrait of Jesus in an Ohio Middle School Sparks Major Church vs. State Battle

This is a post about separation of church and state and what that means for public schools.

I missed nothing, lol, I actually understood it.

The very essence of religion & God's presence is a central component of the argument representing opposing views of separation of church & state. Comprende......


blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Jan. 10, 2013 at 12:00 AM

 

Quoting jcribb16:

There is some real desperation, fear, and oppression, going on in here in response to the past as opposed to today.  It's sad how even though students had great fun many years ago, that assumptions must be made to try and make their fun seem fake and the support of parents for the fun seem ostracized. The truth is the truth - students had fun, period.  They looked forward to Halloween and Christmas school functions, and there were a great many parents who helped to set up these things.  The past will NOT be forgotten and will ALWAYS be remembered fondly, with wonderful and sweet memories of those school functions.

Exactly Juju. fond memories indeed. I have photos of my earlier yrs in school, the good times we had, the spirit of charity and sharing with others. Current times reflect the warnings presented in the Scriptures. The coldness of heart, disrespect for God and those who cherish their faith. Christianity is the religion I have chosen to embrace. I respect the gift of free will and the right of others to choose their religion or lack thereof. I do not appreciate someone telling me I have to hide my faith or that Jesus is not welcomed in a public place. Some on the left like to holler 'intolerant' but they are the most intolerant in cases as such. They use the shallow argument of 'separation of church & state' to rid any images/reminder of God in public places but fear and desperation are the real motives collectively driving their intentions.

There is no one who can take that truth away and say the kinds of things being said - extremely rude and intolerant.  It's today's generation of some who are making such a fuss and big deal over this and are doing their best to trample anything public of our faith into the ground.  

 

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting imamomzilla:

Except the forked ones.

Even Lucifer and the devils will be compelled to bow to our Lord. @ the Crucifxion, Lucifer was commanded by God to watch Jesus' death to satan's own demise.

Quoting PeeperSqueak:

Every knee will bow every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord !

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting jcribb16:

I would like to add to yours, Blonde, that this politically correct mess is going to kill America, if it keeps going.  If the Military becomes "politically correct" in how they do wars, we're in for trouble.

Like you said, back then kids from all walks of life had a super time at Christmas and Halloween.  Kids didn't think anything except loving to sing songs, carols, having a huge tree with presents for everyone, having a party, etc.  Very few, if any, parents said anything - as you said, they were much more supportive and open for the kids having fun.  Nothing about God, if sang in carols, was deliberately focused on, deliberately preached about, and most certainly wasn't pressed on any child, period.  It was plain fun.

Halloween, though dressed in costumes for the school festival, always in late afternoon where I went, included scary fun things, giving out candy, rides, etc., and nothing whatsoever was said to the kids about it being a devil's day or otherwise.  The kids had simple and plain fun.

            shake hand

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Quoting PinkButterfly66:

It is a public school and religious icons have absolutely no place there.  

That's your personal opinion which you are entitled to. I respectively disagree. During my academic yrs @ a public school every yr the students attended a beautiful Christmas play with the baby Jesus. We sang religious carols and said Merry Christmas to everyone. No one ever complained or felt threatened concerning Christianity. The 'Me' generation gave birth to the current environment we are living in. Love of thy neighbor is a distant memory for many.

It is evident that you are mourning a time past, and I get that.  The reality is, it's not just the time that has changed but the populace.  It isn't that people don't love thy neighbor, but what was going on with those Christmas plays and religious carols wasn't right back then, but there weren't enough non-Christians to speak up to make things right.

Poor choice of words, roma. I'm not mourning anything because Jesus will be victorious in the future. Cultural differences and religious preference are not a new phenomena in America. People were respectful of Christianity and differing opinions many yrs ago, including atheists, roma. My older brother is an atheist. He does not feel threatened as you and others do. He is confident in his personal beliefs.

I really wish you would understand the issue, that it isn't about being un-neighborly but of making everyone feel included in places that everyone belongs to.

If you stepped out of your world roma for a time, you would realize many Christians are not threatened by those who espouse different beliefs. We are respectful and inclusive of diverse cultures & religions. We do not appreciate the selfishness of others bent on pushing God out of public venues. The same places God was welcomed and revered in the past. Hearts have changed. Many are self-seeking and insensitive to their neighbors.

 


 



 


 

LucyMom08
by Silver Member on Jan. 10, 2013 at 12:16 AM

 If you don't want there to be a separation of church and state, churches need to start paying taxes...they want to play like everyone else, they can pay like everyone else...

blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Jan. 10, 2013 at 12:21 AM
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Quoting jcribb16:

Interesting how there is still prayer and devotional type messages in political inaugurations and other events of the gov't.  There are some who cannot accept that things like these are still included, are traditions, etc.  

This separation of church and state was not meant to completely wipe out these type things totally.  It was first started to ensure that there would never be only one religion in place, as there was under the King of England.  It was also to keep the gov't out of the schools.  

It's quite amazing how it's been completely twisted around from the original intent by those who loathe God, the idea of God, and anything God.  It's been taken past extreme into suppression.

 

Opening Prayer

To view a prayer from a previous day of House proceedings, please select a month and year from the search menu on the left.

01/01/2013
Reverend Patrick J. Conroy, S.J.

Eternal God, we give you thanks for giving us another day; a new year.


The political struggles of the past year have revealed the divisions that exist in our nation. There are many American citizens who are angry, frustrated, and anxious for the future.


This day is a day of history. Send your Spirit upon the Members of the Peoples’ House. May an imperfect compromise, when viewed from the perspective of our differences, not be undermined by a desire for political victory. This is difficult for all; give each Member the grace of Courage to forge a constructive solution for the good of the nation and all Americans.


Help us to trust that no matter what, You will not abandon us


May all that is done this day be for Your greater honor and glory.



AMEN

http://chaplain.house.gov/archive/index.html

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting romalove:


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting romalove:


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Now you just sound plain crazy. 

Tsk tsk tsk

 You remind me of you know who in the Bible. A sense of rage whenever Jesus said...I will be victorious smile mini

Tell that to the more than half the world who doesn't believe in your Jesus.

And less every day.

I have no rage.  It is annoying that we can't have a decent discussion because everything is about religion for you, but other than that, you (the generic you) are meaningless.

Good grief!!! Did you miss something, roma!? The topic of this post is.........

If you wish to discuss something other than religion and God than pls do NOT visit a post about God~+

FFRF Demands Removal of Jesus Portrait From Jackson Middle School | Ohio

This Portrait of Jesus in an Ohio Middle School Sparks Major Church vs. State Battle

This is a post about separation of church and state and what that means for public schools.

I missed nothing, lol, I actually understood it.

The very essence of religion & God's presence is a central component of the argument representing opposing views of separation of church & state. Comprende......


 

blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Jan. 10, 2013 at 12:26 AM
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Quoting LucyMom08:

 If you don't want there to be a separation of church and state, churches need to start paying taxes...they want to play like everyone else, they can pay like everyone else...

The Founding Fathers did not establish separation of church and state as some of you interpret the Constitution. They were concerned about ONE Religion governing this nation, not removing God from public places.

imamomzilla
by on Jan. 10, 2013 at 12:28 AM
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Twisted indeed.

Quoting jcribb16:

Interesting how there is still prayer and devotional type messages in political inaugurations and other events of the gov't.  There are some who cannot accept that things like these are still included, are traditions, etc.  

This separation of church and state was not meant to completely wipe out these type things totally.  It was first started to ensure that there would never be only one religion in place, as there was under the King of England.  It was also to keep the gov't out of the schools.  

It's quite amazing how it's been completely twisted around from the original intent by those who loathe God, the idea of God, and anything God.  It's been taken past extreme into suppression

 

Quoting romalove:



                                                             nativity


blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Jan. 10, 2013 at 12:33 AM
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Engraved on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in Washington D.C. are the words of our third President: "God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?"

Jefferson wrote this warning on September 6, 1819: "The Constitution . . . is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please."

LucyMom08
by Silver Member on Jan. 10, 2013 at 12:37 AM

 A public school is a government sponsored and supported institution...

Are you going to address the rest of my comment?

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting LucyMom08:

 If you don't want there to be a separation of church and state, churches need to start paying taxes...they want to play like everyone else, they can pay like everyone else...

The Founding Fathers did not establish separation of church and state as some of you interpret the Constitution. They were concerned about ONE Religion governing this nation, not removing God from public places.

 

chloedee
by Bronze Member on Jan. 10, 2013 at 12:38 AM
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Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting LucyMom08:

 If you don't want there to be a separation of church and state, churches need to start paying taxes...they want to play like everyone else, they can pay like everyone else...

The Founding Fathers did not establish separation of church and state as some of you interpret the Constitution. They were concerned about ONE Religion governing this nation, not removing God from public places.

And what does having a photo of ONE religious figure placed in a government institution imply? Certainly not that all faiths and their adherents are equally as important.

LucyMom08
by Silver Member on Jan. 10, 2013 at 12:44 AM

 More Jefferson words...

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

 

Quoting blondekosmic15:

Engraved on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in Washington D.C. are the words of our third President: "God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?"

Jefferson wrote this warning on September 6, 1819: "The Constitution . . . is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please."

 

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