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Are Non-Christians Patriotic?

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Question: Are atheists and other non-Christians capable of patriotism?

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No

Yes

God believers who are non Christians yes, atheists no

Atheists yes, non-Christian God believers no

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I'm curious.  I see things that make me wonder how atheists and other non-Christians are viewed.

You don't have to post if you don't want to, but you are welcome to explain your position if you'd like.  The poll of course allows you to answer anonymously.  :-)

by on Jan. 9, 2013 at 7:58 PM
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romalove
by SenseandSensibility on Jan. 9, 2013 at 8:51 PM
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Quoting blues_pagan:

May 1st 2008.  A day which I will not ever soon forget.  Went to work like every other day, active duty generator mechanic.  The first generator we went to run for the month broke and it was in the regulation that the building had to have back up power.  So we went and brought in a temporary generator.  I was working on the electrical side of the house, the electrical panel.  I checked everything to ensure there was no load on the lugs, it all checked out fine.  The only thing I could have done better was to cut off electricity to the entire building which I wasn't allowed to do.  

As I was working on getting the last lug (the ground) loosened to put the cables in my wrench slipped and unknown to me hit a lug that was miswired by the contractor.  This closed the air gap and caused an arc flash to occur.  Think of being hit with 480 volts of lightening.  I was thrown back off of the panel (the voltage was Alternating Current, AC, which pulses and throws, Direct Current, DC, it the type that latches on) and the next thing I know is having a feeling like I was standing.  I felt like I was standing in a room full of people.  The room was really bright and I saw people all around me.  Not clearly because it felt like my eyes hadn't adjusted like when you go outside from inside a dark room.  I felt like I wasn't supposed to be there, like I had crashed a party.  There was no music, just whispers.  Then as suddenly as that happened things went black and I came to, I was lying on the floor.  I will skip the details there since I don't like remembering them.  But I remember while in the ER, the doctors kept telling me to stay awake but I kept hearing a voice whisper in my ear, "go to sleep, it will all be alright if you just go to sleep".  When I heard that voice I looked over and saw my grandpa standing at the ambulance entrance of the ER.  Just standing there watching me with his hands in his bib overalls.  And that voice didn't go away, he kept telling me to just go to sleep.  Everytime I did, which was three times, I went into cardiac/respiratory arrest.  Finally I passed out and woke up a week later in a burn trauma unit.

Quoting rccmom:

You've made me curious. Would you mind sharing?

Quoting blues_pagan:

Oh pick me for this one!  I have!  Near Death Experience right here!  And it isn't anything like they want to think.

Quoting mikiemom:

lol - how do you know what happens in the afterlife, have you been? have you spoken to someon that has been there?

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 Sure why not, love of country doesn't mean you have to love God, it certainly helps in the afterlife though ;)





I am glad you are Ok!

blues_pagan
by on Jan. 9, 2013 at 8:54 PM

For the most part I am.  I now deal with PTSD, anxiety, depression, neuropathy of my hands and scarring.  But I lived and that is all anyone can ask for.  

But what happened to me and what I experienced during that time solidified my beliefs.  I saw no angels, heard no hymns and didn't get some great revelation from God.  Instead it fit with my views of the afterlife for the most part.  

Quoting romalove:


Quoting blues_pagan:

May 1st 2008.  A day which I will not ever soon forget.  Went to work like every other day, active duty generator mechanic.  The first generator we went to run for the month broke and it was in the regulation that the building had to have back up power.  So we went and brought in a temporary generator.  I was working on the electrical side of the house, the electrical panel.  I checked everything to ensure there was no load on the lugs, it all checked out fine.  The only thing I could have done better was to cut off electricity to the entire building which I wasn't allowed to do.  

As I was working on getting the last lug (the ground) loosened to put the cables in my wrench slipped and unknown to me hit a lug that was miswired by the contractor.  This closed the air gap and caused an arc flash to occur.  Think of being hit with 480 volts of lightening.  I was thrown back off of the panel (the voltage was Alternating Current, AC, which pulses and throws, Direct Current, DC, it the type that latches on) and the next thing I know is having a feeling like I was standing.  I felt like I was standing in a room full of people.  The room was really bright and I saw people all around me.  Not clearly because it felt like my eyes hadn't adjusted like when you go outside from inside a dark room.  I felt like I wasn't supposed to be there, like I had crashed a party.  There was no music, just whispers.  Then as suddenly as that happened things went black and I came to, I was lying on the floor.  I will skip the details there since I don't like remembering them.  But I remember while in the ER, the doctors kept telling me to stay awake but I kept hearing a voice whisper in my ear, "go to sleep, it will all be alright if you just go to sleep".  When I heard that voice I looked over and saw my grandpa standing at the ambulance entrance of the ER.  Just standing there watching me with his hands in his bib overalls.  And that voice didn't go away, he kept telling me to just go to sleep.  Everytime I did, which was three times, I went into cardiac/respiratory arrest.  Finally I passed out and woke up a week later in a burn trauma unit.

Quoting rccmom:

You've made me curious. Would you mind sharing?

Quoting blues_pagan:

Oh pick me for this one!  I have!  Near Death Experience right here!  And it isn't anything like they want to think.

Quoting mikiemom:

lol - how do you know what happens in the afterlife, have you been? have you spoken to someon that has been there?

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 Sure why not, love of country doesn't mean you have to love God, it certainly helps in the afterlife though ;)





I am glad you are Ok!


rccmom
by Gold Member on Jan. 9, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Thank you for sharing, and I'm very happy you survived. Did you recognize the voice? Stupid question here, but is your Grandfather actually there, or is it a vision?

Quoting blues_pagan:

May 1st 2008.  A day which I will not ever soon forget.  Went to work like every other day, active duty generator mechanic.  The first generator we went to run for the month broke and it was in the regulation that the building had to have back up power.  So we went and brought in a temporary generator.  I was working on the electrical side of the house, the electrical panel.  I checked everything to ensure there was no load on the lugs, it all checked out fine.  The only thing I could have done better was to cut off electricity to the entire building which I wasn't allowed to do.  

As I was working on getting the last lug (the ground) loosened to put the cables in my wrench slipped and unknown to me hit a lug that was miswired by the contractor.  This closed the air gap and caused an arc flash to occur.  Think of being hit with 480 volts of lightening.  I was thrown back off of the panel (the voltage was Alternating Current, AC, which pulses and throws, Direct Current, DC, it the type that latches on) and the next thing I know is having a feeling like I was standing.  I felt like I was standing in a room full of people.  The room was really bright and I saw people all around me.  Not clearly because it felt like my eyes hadn't adjusted like when you go outside from inside a dark room.  I felt like I wasn't supposed to be there, like I had crashed a party.  There was no music, just whispers.  Then as suddenly as that happened things went black and I came to, I was lying on the floor.  I will skip the details there since I don't like remembering them.  But I remember while in the ER, the doctors kept telling me to stay awake but I kept hearing a voice whisper in my ear, "go to sleep, it will all be alright if you just go to sleep".  When I heard that voice I looked over and saw my grandpa standing at the ambulance entrance of the ER.  Just standing there watching me with his hands in his bib overalls.  And that voice didn't go away, he kept telling me to just go to sleep.  Everytime I did, which was three times, I went into cardiac/respiratory arrest.  Finally I passed out and woke up a week later in a burn trauma unit.

Quoting rccmom:

You've made me curious. Would you mind sharing?

Quoting blues_pagan:

Oh pick me for this one!  I have!  Near Death Experience right here!  And it isn't anything like they want to think.

Quoting mikiemom:

lol - how do you know what happens in the afterlife, have you been? have you spoken to someon that has been there?

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 Sure why not, love of country doesn't mean you have to love God, it certainly helps in the afterlife though ;)






blues_pagan
by on Jan. 9, 2013 at 9:01 PM

My grandfather is buried in Missouri, this happened in Maryland. 

As for the voice, no, I didn't recognize it.  It was just a soft and soothing voice, very convincing but in ways that the docs didn't want.  

Quoting rccmom:

Thank you for sharing, and I'm very happy you survived. Did you recognize the voice? Stupid question here, but is your Grandfather actually there, or is it a vision?

Quoting blues_pagan:

May 1st 2008.  A day which I will not ever soon forget.  Went to work like every other day, active duty generator mechanic.  The first generator we went to run for the month broke and it was in the regulation that the building had to have back up power.  So we went and brought in a temporary generator.  I was working on the electrical side of the house, the electrical panel.  I checked everything to ensure there was no load on the lugs, it all checked out fine.  The only thing I could have done better was to cut off electricity to the entire building which I wasn't allowed to do.  

As I was working on getting the last lug (the ground) loosened to put the cables in my wrench slipped and unknown to me hit a lug that was miswired by the contractor.  This closed the air gap and caused an arc flash to occur.  Think of being hit with 480 volts of lightening.  I was thrown back off of the panel (the voltage was Alternating Current, AC, which pulses and throws, Direct Current, DC, it the type that latches on) and the next thing I know is having a feeling like I was standing.  I felt like I was standing in a room full of people.  The room was really bright and I saw people all around me.  Not clearly because it felt like my eyes hadn't adjusted like when you go outside from inside a dark room.  I felt like I wasn't supposed to be there, like I had crashed a party.  There was no music, just whispers.  Then as suddenly as that happened things went black and I came to, I was lying on the floor.  I will skip the details there since I don't like remembering them.  But I remember while in the ER, the doctors kept telling me to stay awake but I kept hearing a voice whisper in my ear, "go to sleep, it will all be alright if you just go to sleep".  When I heard that voice I looked over and saw my grandpa standing at the ambulance entrance of the ER.  Just standing there watching me with his hands in his bib overalls.  And that voice didn't go away, he kept telling me to just go to sleep.  Everytime I did, which was three times, I went into cardiac/respiratory arrest.  Finally I passed out and woke up a week later in a burn trauma unit.

Quoting rccmom:

You've made me curious. Would you mind sharing?

Quoting blues_pagan:

Oh pick me for this one!  I have!  Near Death Experience right here!  And it isn't anything like they want to think.

Quoting mikiemom:

lol - how do you know what happens in the afterlife, have you been? have you spoken to someon that has been there?

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 Sure why not, love of country doesn't mean you have to love God, it certainly helps in the afterlife though ;)







rccmom
by Gold Member on Jan. 9, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Thanks for clarifying. I am sorry for the loss of your Grandfather. Did the experience leave you peaceful, shaken, or neutral about it? 

That must have taken a lot of recovery time. I hope there was no permanent damage.

Quoting blues_pagan:

My grandfather is buried in Missouri, this happened in Maryland. 

As for the voice, no, I didn't recognize it.  It was just a soft and soothing voice, very convincing but in ways that the docs didn't want.  

Quoting rccmom:

Thank you for sharing, and I'm very happy you survived. Did you recognize the voice? Stupid question here, but is your Grandfather actually there, or is it a vision?

Quoting blues_pagan:

May 1st 2008.  A day which I will not ever soon forget.  Went to work like every other day, active duty generator mechanic.  The first generator we went to run for the month broke and it was in the regulation that the building had to have back up power.  So we went and brought in a temporary generator.  I was working on the electrical side of the house, the electrical panel.  I checked everything to ensure there was no load on the lugs, it all checked out fine.  The only thing I could have done better was to cut off electricity to the entire building which I wasn't allowed to do.  

As I was working on getting the last lug (the ground) loosened to put the cables in my wrench slipped and unknown to me hit a lug that was miswired by the contractor.  This closed the air gap and caused an arc flash to occur.  Think of being hit with 480 volts of lightening.  I was thrown back off of the panel (the voltage was Alternating Current, AC, which pulses and throws, Direct Current, DC, it the type that latches on) and the next thing I know is having a feeling like I was standing.  I felt like I was standing in a room full of people.  The room was really bright and I saw people all around me.  Not clearly because it felt like my eyes hadn't adjusted like when you go outside from inside a dark room.  I felt like I wasn't supposed to be there, like I had crashed a party.  There was no music, just whispers.  Then as suddenly as that happened things went black and I came to, I was lying on the floor.  I will skip the details there since I don't like remembering them.  But I remember while in the ER, the doctors kept telling me to stay awake but I kept hearing a voice whisper in my ear, "go to sleep, it will all be alright if you just go to sleep".  When I heard that voice I looked over and saw my grandpa standing at the ambulance entrance of the ER.  Just standing there watching me with his hands in his bib overalls.  And that voice didn't go away, he kept telling me to just go to sleep.  Everytime I did, which was three times, I went into cardiac/respiratory arrest.  Finally I passed out and woke up a week later in a burn trauma unit.

Quoting rccmom:

You've made me curious. Would you mind sharing?

Quoting blues_pagan:

Oh pick me for this one!  I have!  Near Death Experience right here!  And it isn't anything like they want to think.

Quoting mikiemom:

lol - how do you know what happens in the afterlife, have you been? have you spoken to someon that has been there?

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 Sure why not, love of country doesn't mean you have to love God, it certainly helps in the afterlife though ;)








romalove
by SenseandSensibility on Jan. 9, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Two "no" votes now.


blues_pagan
by on Jan. 9, 2013 at 9:14 PM

The experience left me shaken in some ways and honestly a bit more at ease about the process of life.  I am certain now that my path in life is a good one.  

As for recovery time I was finally officially discharged after 1 year of in and out patient status.  I do have permanent neuropathy in both of my hands, PTSD, anxiety and depression.  But I am honestly just glad that I am still here.  

Quoting rccmom:

Thanks for clarifying. I am sorry for the loss of your Grandfather. Did the experience leave you peaceful, shaken, or neutral about it? 

That must have taken a lot of recovery time. I hope there was no permanent damage.

Quoting blues_pagan:

My grandfather is buried in Missouri, this happened in Maryland. 

As for the voice, no, I didn't recognize it.  It was just a soft and soothing voice, very convincing but in ways that the docs didn't want.  

Quoting rccmom:

Thank you for sharing, and I'm very happy you survived. Did you recognize the voice? Stupid question here, but is your Grandfather actually there, or is it a vision?

Quoting blues_pagan:

May 1st 2008.  A day which I will not ever soon forget.  Went to work like every other day, active duty generator mechanic.  The first generator we went to run for the month broke and it was in the regulation that the building had to have back up power.  So we went and brought in a temporary generator.  I was working on the electrical side of the house, the electrical panel.  I checked everything to ensure there was no load on the lugs, it all checked out fine.  The only thing I could have done better was to cut off electricity to the entire building which I wasn't allowed to do.  

As I was working on getting the last lug (the ground) loosened to put the cables in my wrench slipped and unknown to me hit a lug that was miswired by the contractor.  This closed the air gap and caused an arc flash to occur.  Think of being hit with 480 volts of lightening.  I was thrown back off of the panel (the voltage was Alternating Current, AC, which pulses and throws, Direct Current, DC, it the type that latches on) and the next thing I know is having a feeling like I was standing.  I felt like I was standing in a room full of people.  The room was really bright and I saw people all around me.  Not clearly because it felt like my eyes hadn't adjusted like when you go outside from inside a dark room.  I felt like I wasn't supposed to be there, like I had crashed a party.  There was no music, just whispers.  Then as suddenly as that happened things went black and I came to, I was lying on the floor.  I will skip the details there since I don't like remembering them.  But I remember while in the ER, the doctors kept telling me to stay awake but I kept hearing a voice whisper in my ear, "go to sleep, it will all be alright if you just go to sleep".  When I heard that voice I looked over and saw my grandpa standing at the ambulance entrance of the ER.  Just standing there watching me with his hands in his bib overalls.  And that voice didn't go away, he kept telling me to just go to sleep.  Everytime I did, which was three times, I went into cardiac/respiratory arrest.  Finally I passed out and woke up a week later in a burn trauma unit.

Quoting rccmom:

You've made me curious. Would you mind sharing?

Quoting blues_pagan:

Oh pick me for this one!  I have!  Near Death Experience right here!  And it isn't anything like they want to think.

Quoting mikiemom:

lol - how do you know what happens in the afterlife, have you been? have you spoken to someon that has been there?

Quoting Dzyre1115:

 Sure why not, love of country doesn't mean you have to love God, it certainly helps in the afterlife though ;)









Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Jan. 9, 2013 at 9:14 PM
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LOL- yes

trippyhippy
by Silver Member on Jan. 9, 2013 at 9:17 PM
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Unless I missed a headline that said there is a god and he is now the leader of this country, I don't see how one thing has to do with the other.  Believers are actually less capable of being patriotic because they believe god comes before country.

Pema_Jampa
by 2HotTacoTini on Jan. 9, 2013 at 9:24 PM
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