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Obama using MLK, Lincoln Bibles during oath

  • FILE - Barack Obama, left, joined by his wife Michelle, takes the oath of office from Chief Justice John Roberts to become the 44th president of the United States at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., in this Jan. 20, 2009 file photo. Obama is putting a symbolic twist on a time-honored tradition, taking the oath of office for his second term with his hand placed not on a single Bible, but two, one owned by Martin Luther King Jr. and one by Abraham Lincoln. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong, File)
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    Associated Press/Jae C. Hong, File - FILE - Barack Obama, left, joined by his wife Michelle, takes the oath of office from Chief Justice John Roberts to become the 44th president of the United States at the ...more  U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., in this Jan. 20, 2009 file photo. Obama is putting a symbolic twist on a time-honored tradition, taking the oath of office for his second term with his hand placed not on a single Bible, but two, one owned by Martin Luther King Jr. and one by Abraham Lincoln. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong, File)  less  

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama is putting a symbolic twist on a time-honored tradition, taking the oath of office for his second term with his hand placed not on a single Bible, but two - one owned by Martin Luther King Jr. and one by Abraham Lincoln.

The inclusion of King's Bible is particularly significant since the inauguration comes on Jan. 21, the federal holiday in honor of the civil rights leader, who delivered his "I Have a Dream" speech 50 years ago at the Lincoln Memorial. Obama will be facing the memorial as he takes the oath. King's Bible, which his children say he used early in his career as a preacher, has never been part of a presidential inauguration.

The selection of the pair of Bibles is richly symbolic of the struggle for equality in America, beginning with Lincoln's emancipation of the slaves through King's civil rights movement and ultimately to Obama becoming the nation's first black president. Inaugural planners say Obama plans to place his left hand on the stacked Bibles held by first lady Michelle Obama as he raises his right hand to repeat the oath administered by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts. It hasn't been determined which will be on top with Obama's hand actually resting on it, but King's is larger so it may need to be on the bottom.

Obama used the Lincoln Bible while taking the oath four years ago - the first time it had been used since the 16th president's inauguration in 1861. Obama's inaugural committee says that the president plans to use the first lady's family's Bible for a private swearing-in at the White House on Sunday, Jan. 20. Public presidential inaugurations traditionally aren't held on Sundays, even though the Constitution states that a president's new term begins automatically at noon on the 20th.

King's children describe their father's King James version as his "traveling Bible" that he took as part of a collection of books he carried with him while constantly on the road and used for inspiration and preparing sermons and speeches. His daughter Bernice King says her father marked the pages with several dates from May 1954, the same month he delivered his first sermon at Dexter Avenue Baptist Church in Montgomery, Ala.

"We know our father would be deeply moved to see President Obama take the oath of office using his Bible," King's children said in a statement provided by the inaugural committee. "His traveling Bible inspired him as he fought for freedom, justice and equality, and we hope it can be a source of strength for the president as he begins his second term."

Obama also plans to honor King throughout his inaugural weekend, beginning by asking Americans to volunteer in their communities on Saturday, Jan. 19, to honor the civil right leader's legacy of service. The King family plans to participate. Inaugural planners also say there will be a float honoring King in the parade to the White House after the swearing-in ceremony.

Though there is no constitutional requirement for the use of a Bible while taking the oath, George Washington began the tradition with a Bible hastily grabbed from St. John's Masonic Lodge No. 1 for his swearing-in on April 30, 1789, in New York. Since then, presidents have typically chosen Bibles with historical or personal significance, many using family heirlooms. Obama is not the first president to select two Bibles - Harry Truman did so in 1949, Dwight Eisenhower in 1953 and Richard Nixon in 1969.

Some presidents kiss the book after completing the oath. Sometimes the Bible is open to meaningful passages, such as President George W. Bush's choice of Isaiah 40:31 - "Those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint."

The Lincoln Bible is part of the Library of Congress collections. The Supreme Court clerk bought the Bible, bound in burgundy velvet with a gold-washed white metal rim and heavily gilded edges, especially for Lincoln's swearing-in.

The first lady's Robinson family Bible was a gift from her late father, Fraser Robinson III, to his mother, LaVaughn Delores Robinson, on Mother's Day 1958. The first lady's grandmother was the first black female manager of a Moody Bible Institute's bookstore, and her son's present was her favorite, inaugural planners say.

They also say Vice President Joe Biden will use a Bible with a Celtic cross on the cover that has been in his family for 120 years. Biden has used the Bible every time he's been sworn into federal office, back to his entry in the Senate 40 years ago.

 

by on Jan. 10, 2013 at 8:54 AM
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autodidact
by Silver Member on Jan. 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM

it was a question. she's so very offended by the phrase "there is no god but god" that I'm just curious.

Quoting jcribb16:

Please stop the baiting and goading.

Quoting autodidact:

so Littlemoments, what kind of polytheism do you practice? are you a Hindu, or is it a paganistic pantheon? 






thecoffeefairy
by Member on Jan. 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM
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There is a difference between respectfully disagreeing and ganging up. There has been a lot of back and forth. I don't feel that suggesting ones statement is arrogant qualifies as name calling. It's acceptable in debate. I also feel that the abuse button should be used for just that. Cussing, personal attacks and trolling. If Jane doe said Kari Anne your stupid for thinking blank, I would agree that it is a personal attack. To a great extent we must realize that while we all really love this country, we have different views on how to maintain its glory. We should respect each other, regardless of how misguided we feel some people's views may be. They simply have a different paradigm.


Quoting jcribb16:

This is what some in here do.  You do not have to stand for this.  You are entitled to your views, thoughts, and opinions, just as they are, except they seem to think any of their's must trump the ones with opposite views.  I also do not like how several will suddenly start "ganging" up on a poster, goading and provoking.  The Report Abuse Button is there on each post if you need it. Keep up the good posting!

Quoting littlemoments99:

Why are you so quick to call names. You talk about judging. Seriously.



 


Quoting mikiemom:


In america children can grow up and follow what-ever religion they choose regardless of their parents religion. He did not grow up with his father in his life, a fact that many of you knock him for. Obama is not a muslim, you have been lied to. How can you claim to know someone elses heart? How arrogant of you.


Quoting littlemoments99:


This is why I believe Obama is a Muslim and since I use this to show he is a muslim then he must be pretending to be Christian. I wrote to Usama Dak Dok, a Muslim expert about where it says they will pretend because I am not sure I can find it on my own and he will know right away where it is. So I will get back to you on that.


A child's religion in Islam must follow the religion of his father.  There is no such a thing in Islam (of freedom of religion.)  If a Muslim chooses to leave Islam, he or she must be put to death.  As it is written in Quran 6 :151 (…And do not kill the soul which Allah forbids except with a just cause…) and the Hadith in Bukhari, volume 9, #17 Mohammed said, (The blood of a Muslim cannot be shed except in three cases for murder, adultery,  and the one who becomes an Apostate (leaves) from Islam )  This is what we call (honor killing.")   Therefore, Obama, like it or not, is a Muslim. If he prayers or fasts during Ramadan or visits Mecca, he is a Muslim.  - Usama Dak Dok.


Quoting sweet-a-kins:


 I would, I would like to know where you are reading all these lies


Quoting littlemoments99:


Not if he is Islamic. He would be being a good muslim. Muhammed taught that if you are a minority you should try and blend in even if that means pretending to be a different religion. Once you are the majority then you can take over with Sharia law. It's very deceitful. I will have to find where it says that. I am sure you will want the source.  


Quoting sweet-a-kins:


 


Quoting littlemoments99:


I don't think Obama cares one diddly doo dah about swearing on the Bible.


What, specifically makes you think that?


He is a muslim.


No he isn't, and there would be no reason to hide now...he has been elected and re-elected...the christian bully bigots could do nothing about it ..


He has the first part of the muslim statement you have to say to become a muslim on his wedding ring.


??? Please link this source...


 If he had to swear on the Quran maybe it would be a bigger deal to him.




For the record if he were a Muslim, he's a very bad one...baptizing in children in a christian church, marrying in a christian church....


 




 









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jcribb16
by Primrose Foxglove on Jan. 10, 2013 at 2:09 PM
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No you aren't.  You already know where she stands with God and the Bible.  You are just baiting and goading, trying to stir the pot.

Quoting autodidact:

it was a question. she's so very offended by the phrase "there is no god but god" that I'm just curious.

Quoting jcribb16:

Please stop the baiting and goading.

Quoting autodidact:

so Littlemoments, what kind of polytheism do you practice? are you a Hindu, or is it a paganistic pantheon? 




jcribb16
by Primrose Foxglove on Jan. 10, 2013 at 2:12 PM
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I know what real debate means, and this is not happening as of late.  I disagree respectfully with you, because the one poster has already been name calling her and baiting, and the other poster has already asked why a couple of times.  She's not calling them any names, nor calling them dolts, idiots, ignorant, etc.  Arrogant is just continuing right on with insulting, instead of actually discussing the issue.

Quoting thecoffeefairy:

There is a difference between respectfully disagreeing and ganging up. There has been a lot of back and forth. I don't feel that suggesting ones statement is arrogant qualifies as name calling. It's acceptable in debate. I also feel that the abuse button should be used for just that. Cussing, personal attacks and trolling. If Jane doe said Kari Anne your stupid for thinking blank, I would agree that it is a personal attack. To a great extent we must realize that while we all really love this country, we have different views on how to maintain its glory. We should respect each other, regardless of how misguided we feel some people's views may be. They simply have a different paradigm.


Quoting jcribb16:

This is what some in here do.  You do not have to stand for this.  You are entitled to your views, thoughts, and opinions, just as they are, except they seem to think any of their's must trump the ones with opposite views.  I also do not like how several will suddenly start "ganging" up on a poster, goading and provoking.  The Report Abuse Button is there on each post if you need it. Keep up the good posting!

Quoting littlemoments99:

Why are you so quick to call names. You talk about judging. Seriously.



 


Quoting mikiemom:


In america children can grow up and follow what-ever religion they choose regardless of their parents religion. He did not grow up with his father in his life, a fact that many of you knock him for. Obama is not a muslim, you have been lied to. How can you claim to know someone elses heart? How arrogant of you.


Quoting littlemoments99:


This is why I believe Obama is a Muslim and since I use this to show he is a muslim then he must be pretending to be Christian. I wrote to Usama Dak Dok, a Muslim expert about where it says they will pretend because I am not sure I can find it on my own and he will know right away where it is. So I will get back to you on that.


A child's religion in Islam must follow the religion of his father.  There is no such a thing in Islam (of freedom of religion.)  If a Muslim chooses to leave Islam, he or she must be put to death.  As it is written in Quran 6 :151 (…And do not kill the soul which Allah forbids except with a just cause…) and the Hadith in Bukhari, volume 9, #17 Mohammed said, (The blood of a Muslim cannot be shed except in three cases for murder, adultery,  and the one who becomes an Apostate (leaves) from Islam )  This is what we call (honor killing.")   Therefore, Obama, like it or not, is a Muslim. If he prayers or fasts during Ramadan or visits Mecca, he is a Muslim.  - Usama Dak Dok.


Quoting sweet-a-kins:


 I would, I would like to know where you are reading all these lies


Quoting littlemoments99:


Not if he is Islamic. He would be being a good muslim. Muhammed taught that if you are a minority you should try and blend in even if that means pretending to be a different religion. Once you are the majority then you can take over with Sharia law. It's very deceitful. I will have to find where it says that. I am sure you will want the source.  


Quoting sweet-a-kins:


 


Quoting littlemoments99:


I don't think Obama cares one diddly doo dah about swearing on the Bible.


What, specifically makes you think that?


He is a muslim.


No he isn't, and there would be no reason to hide now...he has been elected and re-elected...the christian bully bigots could do nothing about it ..


He has the first part of the muslim statement you have to say to become a muslim on his wedding ring.


??? Please link this source...


 If he had to swear on the Quran maybe it would be a bigger deal to him.




For the record if he were a Muslim, he's a very bad one...baptizing in children in a christian church, marrying in a christian church....


 




 










autodidact
by Silver Member on Jan. 10, 2013 at 2:16 PM
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I don't keep a dossier on CM memebers and their various superstitions.

Quoting jcribb16:

No you aren't.  You already know where she stands with God and the Bible.  You are just baiting and goading, trying to stir the pot.

Quoting autodidact:

it was a question. she's so very offended by the phrase "there is no god but god" that I'm just curious.

Quoting jcribb16:

Please stop the baiting and goading.

Quoting autodidact:

so Littlemoments, what kind of polytheism do you practice? are you a Hindu, or is it a paganistic pantheon? 








jcribb16
by Primrose Foxglove on Jan. 10, 2013 at 2:20 PM
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Right.  Short term memory loss?  You've been speaking with her in this thread - it has been made very clear.  Nice try, though.  :)

Quoting autodidact:

I don't keep a dossier on CM memebers and their various superstitions.

Quoting jcribb16:

No you aren't.  You already know where she stands with God and the Bible.  You are just baiting and goading, trying to stir the pot.

Quoting autodidact:

it was a question. she's so very offended by the phrase "there is no god but god" that I'm just curious.

Quoting jcribb16:

Please stop the baiting and goading.

Quoting autodidact:

so Littlemoments, what kind of polytheism do you practice? are you a Hindu, or is it a paganistic pantheon? 






..MoonShine..
by Bronze Member on Jan. 10, 2013 at 2:22 PM

I do. But please don't just point your finger at those who disagree with you for doing this. You know there are those you DO agree with who do this and I don't see you getting on them. Yes, there is a lot of arrogance on both sides. I never claimed otherwise. 

Quoting jcribb16:

Thank you for making my point what is happening in here - I wasn't going to call any of you who are circling her, arrogant, so thank you for doing it yourself - It's getting ridiculous the name calling and cut downs for a person just because they are disagreeable.  Discussing is good; insulting is wrong.  You already know this.

Quoting ..MoonShine..:

ar·ro·gant  

/ˈarəgənt/
Adjective

Having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

She did not call names or personally insult. She stated that she thought her attitude is arrogant. Claiming to know what someone else believes in their heart is pretty arrogant, IMO. It's not like she called her an arrogant snob, which WOULD be name calling and a personal insult. 

Quoting jcribb16:

This is what some in here do.  You do not have to stand for this.  You are entitled to your views, thoughts, and opinions, just as they are, except they seem to think any of their's must trump the ones with opposite views.  I also do not like how several will suddenly start "ganging" up on a poster, goading and provoking.  The Report Abuse Button is there on each post if you need it. Keep up the good posting!





autodidact
by Silver Member on Jan. 10, 2013 at 2:24 PM

nohwhere in her posts to me did she discuss her own religion. 

Quoting jcribb16:

Right.  Short term memory loss?  You've been speaking with her in this thread - it has been made very clear.  Nice try, though.  :)

Quoting autodidact:

I don't keep a dossier on CM memebers and their various superstitions.

Quoting jcribb16:

No you aren't.  You already know where she stands with God and the Bible.  You are just baiting and goading, trying to stir the pot.

Quoting autodidact:

it was a question. she's so very offended by the phrase "there is no god but god" that I'm just curious.

Quoting jcribb16:

Please stop the baiting and goading.

Quoting autodidact:

so Littlemoments, what kind of polytheism do you practice? are you a Hindu, or is it a paganistic pantheon? 










Lurion
by Member on Jan. 10, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Yea but he has secretly hidden a Koran inside the "Bible" right?

autodidact
by Silver Member on Jan. 10, 2013 at 2:27 PM

So Obama is a stealth muslim because his birth father's own religion nullifies Obama's free will in the matter. He's so stealthy he drinks beer to diguise his true religious affiliation yet careless constantly wears a ring that ID's him as a muslim. 


makes perfect sense. 

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