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Do you think the president should be able to use executive action to ramp up gun control?

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Can President Obama Use ‘Executive Action’ to Take Away Gun Rights?

Posted by Jenny Erikson on January 9, 2013

Joe Biden says a lot of dumb things. It’s like he doesn’t even think before the words tumble out of his mouth, like when he asked the guy in the wheelchair to stand up, or mentioned that you can’t even go into a 7-Eleven without an Indian accent these days. He’s endlessly entertaining -- at least until you realize he’s second in line for the presidency. That’s another one of his bloopers, by the way ... he’s actually first in line. The Speaker of the House is second.

Anyway. Good ol’ Joe spoke to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence, and hinted that the president might sign an executive order to combat gun violence. Given the administration’s policy toward gun rights, the insinuation seems to be that Obama is considering banning guns by executive order.

Biden said:

The president is going to act .... There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required.

That is the same attorney general that approved Operation Fast and Furious, which used taxpayer money to arm Mexican drug cartels and killed two federal agents and hundreds of innocent Mexican citizens, but I’m sure he’s qualified to offer an opinion on gun control.

Back to this whole executive order thing: The president cannot overturn parts of the Constitution that he doesn’t like. Banning our Second Amendment right to bear arms is as ludicrous as banning free speech, or disallowing women the vote. There is a process for changing federal laws, and it must be followed.

It’s almost like our founding fathers set up a system of government that makes it difficult to change our Constitutional rights. It’s called checks and balances, and it saves us from becoming a dictatorship. No matter where you fall on the gun control debate, the idea that a president could sign an executive order against any of our rights as Americans is scary.

It’s doubtful that President Obama has any intention of doing anything like that, and this is probably just the vice president speaking off-script again (seriously -- it’s like he doesn’t even realize there are cameras on him). I may not be Obama’s biggest fan, but I have faith that he won’t bypass the legislative process for a pet issue.

Have no fear, gun owners of America. Your gun rights are safe ... for now at least.

Do you think the president should be able to use executive action to ramp up gun control?

by on Jan. 10, 2013 at 10:52 AM
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SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Jan. 11, 2013 at 11:21 PM
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No. Not a good idea to sideswipe the Constitution. Or as Piers Morgan calls it, "your little book".

Venae
by on Jan. 11, 2013 at 11:40 PM
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FBI SAYS MORE DEATHS DUE TO HAMMERS/CLUBS THAN GUNS

According to the FBI annual crime statistics, the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outnumbers the number of murders committed with a rifle.

This is an interesting fact, particularly amid the Democrats' feverish push to ban many different rifles, ostensibly to keep us safe of course.

However, it appears the zeal of Sens. like Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Joe Manchin (D-WV) is misdirected. For in looking at the FBI numbers from 2005 to 2011, the number of murders by hammers and clubs consistently exceeds the number of murders committed with a rifle.

Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.
And so the list goes, with the actual numbers changing somewhat from year to year, yet the fact that more people are killed with blunt objects each year remains constant.

For example, in 2011, there was 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs.

While the FBI makes is clear that some of the "murder by rifle" numbers could be adjusted up slightly, when you take into account murders with non-categorized types of guns, it does not change the fact that their annual reports consistently show more lives are taken each year with these blunt objects than are taken with Feinstein's dreaded rifle.

Another interesting fact: According to the FBI, nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists each year than are killed by murderers who use rifles.


SweetChild63
by Member on Jan. 12, 2013 at 2:40 AM

I'm not tje ome thinking somebody is out to get me or harboring delusioms of overthrowing the government. 


Quoting Farmlady09:

Please ~ pick a number.

http://www.womenshealth.gov/mental-health/hotlines/

Quoting SweetChild63:

No. I believe that you have NO right to walk armed and endangering my life. I feel more threatened by "responsible" gun owners than the so called criminal. Every gun owner IS a criminal or someone on the verge of being a criminal.

Futher your reason for wanting a gun is absurd. You're not defending anything. You're not defending yourself against the US military (which is NOT the purpose of the 2nd amendment) and your not depending yourself against random crime. You're more likely to be the cause of random crime - or make a crime worse when your hero complex kicks in. And unless you're in the military you're NOT protecting a "free state." 

Quoting numbr1wmn:

LMAO you call people who want our amendments to stay intact a mental illness. See, Mental illiness is for those who believe in dictatorship and those who are deluted.

Quoting SweetChild63:

Absolutely! The right wing's crazy obession with guns is a mental illness! They live their lives in fear and it's driving them mad!!! They need to be rounded up and shipped off to those FEMA camps they keep ranting about to keep America safe for normal people.





Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Jan. 12, 2013 at 6:00 AM
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What you 'believe' is your own problem. It has no bearing on law or the rights of every other citizen (and highly suggests a state of paranoia bordering on dangerous). I stand by what I said.

 

Quoting SweetChild63:

I'm not tje ome thinking somebody is out to get me or harboring delusioms of overthrowing the government. 


Quoting Farmlady09:

Please ~ pick a number.

http://www.womenshealth.gov/mental-health/hotlines/

Quoting SweetChild63:

No. I believe that you have NO right to walk armed and endangering my life. I feel more threatened by "responsible" gun owners than the so called criminal. Every gun owner IS a criminal or someone on the verge of being a criminal.

Futher your reason for wanting a gun is absurd. You're not defending anything. You're not defending yourself against the US military (which is NOT the purpose of the 2nd amendment) and your not depending yourself against random crime. You're more likely to be the cause of random crime - or make a crime worse when your hero complex kicks in. And unless you're in the military you're NOT protecting a "free state." 

Quoting numbr1wmn:

LMAO you call people who want our amendments to stay intact a mental illness. See, Mental illiness is for those who believe in dictatorship and those who are deluted.

Quoting SweetChild63:

Absolutely! The right wing's crazy obession with guns is a mental illness! They live their lives in fear and it's driving them mad!!! They need to be rounded up and shipped off to those FEMA camps they keep ranting about to keep America safe for normal people.

 

 

 

 


numbr1wmn
by Nikki on Jan. 12, 2013 at 9:37 AM

you have yet to prove anything. Post the link you want us to see. We have proved our point.  All we hear from you is google it. Burden of proof is on you.  You talk about our logic



Quoting SweetChild63:

You didn't find it because you didn't look.  google "fbi UCR family violence"

Quoting DSamuels:

You didn't post any FBI stats. I'd love to see them complete with a link, especially since gun sales have skyrocketed and violent crime is down 4% last year. It has been declining each year for a while.

I googled and visited the FBI website and I couldn't find anything that you claim. With so many gun owners and your claim they kill their family members, it's a wonder anyone that lives in a house with guns is still alive. We've been married 35 years this April and have had at least 1 gun, now 12, since day one.


Quoting SweetChild63:

Soooo are you saying the FBI's stats are wrong? and yes, for the most part you do buy a gun and carry around via the private sale/gun show loophole. No background check. No nothing. You want a handgun permit? In Texas you take 1 8 hour class and pass an open book test. No actual proficency required. No practice. No practical training. Pay your money, show up for class. That's it.

And on NONE of the lists of safest cities I looked up was Kennesaw, Ga listed. Only place I saw that was on rense.com -- and we all know about the lunacy of rense.com.


Quoting DSamuels:

You are one scary person if you actually believe all that you posted. All your "norms" are not the norm, they are a VERY SMALL exception. You seem to think everyone who has a gun is a "gun nut."



For the most part you can't just go out and buy a gun and carry it around. You have to pass a background check, take classes, pass tests to be able to carry concealed. I know, my husband has one, and has had it for close to 20 years.



If someone steals your car , or anything from you, and commits a crime or kills someone in an accident, I guess you should be charged as an accomplice too.



Hmm, I didn't get either of those stories off Fox. The one about the 12 year old girl came off Huffpo. And if there is so "much more" to those stories, I'm sure you can educate us, right?



Do you know where the safest city in the US is? The one with the lowest crime rate and least murders? Kennesaw, GA where every home is required to have a firearm, with some exceptions. They passed the law in 1982 and while the population has gone from 5,000 to over 30,000 the crime rate has plummeted. There have been 4 people killed, and they were in the last 5 years. One of them, the shooter was not a resident. The other took place in a gun-free zone. There goes that theory that armed houses are dangerous to the occupants, in 30 years no one there has killed a family member.




Quoting SweetChild63:




Quoting DSamuels:


Quoting SweetChild63:

No. I believe that you have NO right to walk armed and endangering my life. How? Untrained overzealous gun nuts with hero complexes. You know like the "responsible gun owner in Florida who shot a man for complaining about poor service at a pizza parlor. He's not the exception. He's the rule. Morons walking around with guns straped to their hips thinking they're the f'n sheriff.  I feel more threatened by "responsible" gun owners than the so called criminal. Every gun owner IS a criminal or someone on the verge of being a criminal. Every gun owner IS a criminal? Really? How did you reach that conclusion? Gun nuts short tempers = crime. See above. Crimes of "passion" happen because of easy access to guns by "responsible" gun owners. Too many family murders and murder/suicides to list. Google it -- or read the paper. And let's talk about the guns stolen from "resonsible" gun owners later used in crimes. That makes the "responsible" gun owner an accessory to a crime - and they should be prosecuted as such. 

Futher your reason for wanting a gun is absurd. You're not defending anything. I guess you should tell that to the woman who hid herself and her 9 year old twins. When the guy who broke into their house found them. Yeah, he wasn't interested in robbing the house but hurting the occupents, she shot him 5 times. The woman and her twins escaped while he was down. He lived and is in the hospital. Or the 12 year old girl who was home alone when she heard someone trying to break in. She called her mother who told her to get the gun, hide in a closet and call the police. The girl then called 911 and stayed on the phone with them. The guy broke into the closet and she shot him. She lived, and he went to the hospital and then to jail.

There is so MUCH MORE TO these stories. These tales have been perverted to fit the NRA agenda. Stop watching Fox!

You're not defending yourself against the US military (which is NOT the purpose of the 2nd amendment) and your not depending yourself against random crime. You're more likely to be the cause of random crime  Actually, gun-free zones are the most dangerous places. A criminal KNOWS that NO ONE is armed and can fight back against their gun. Places with CC are safer. The criminal doesn't know if you are armed or not, so they are less likely to engage you. Why else do you think the places with the strictest gun control have some of highest crime and murder rates? - Did you know that the HOME is the most likely place you'll be murdered - by a family member who is a "responsible" gun owner.  Those don't make the news much because they're NORM, not the exception. or make a crime worse when your hero complex kicks in. And unless you're in the military you're NOT protecting a "free state." 



Quoting numbr1wmn:

LMAO you call people who want our amendments to stay intact a mental illness. See, Mental illiness is for those who believe in dictatorship and those who are deluted.



Quoting SweetChild63:



Absolutely! The right wing's crazy obession with guns is a mental illness! They live their lives in fear and it's driving them mad!!! They need to be rounded up and shipped off to those FEMA camps they keep ranting about to keep America safe for normal people.










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