Join the Meeting Place for Moms!
Talk to other moms, share advice, and have fun!

(minimum 6 characters)

News & Politics News & Politics

32-Year Veteran School Guard Leaves Gun In School Bathroom

Posted by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:21 AM
  • 124 Replies
1 mom liked this
32-Year Veteran School Guard Leaves Gun In School Bathroom
2013/01/17
By McAllister




Students with guns @ SoonerPoll.com
The NRA made it clear – guns in schools will make them safe. “The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” Well, unless that good guy leaves his gun in the school’s bathroom so he can neither protect his charges nor keep them from having access to his gun.

On January 13th of this year…just four days ago the Chatfield School in Lapeer, Michigan followed the directive of the NRA…to the letter. They hired an armed guard, an experienced Sheriff’s Deputy to take charge of security for their 500 child school. The announcement said “Thirty-two year retired Sheriff’s deputy in charge” and it was observed by the local Tea Party spokesperson that “a visitor to Chatfield School might mistake Clark Arnold for a smiling, kindly grandfather waiting for one of its nearly 500 students.”





Arnold, a 32-year veteran of the Lapeer County Sheriff’s Dept., as well as a firearms instructor, has been hired by the 16-year-old charter school academy as the county’s first armed school security officer. The decision was applauded by Bruce Cady, a trustee on the Chatfield Board of Directors, who added, “Absolutely. The decision was made for the good of the kids. We took the wellbeing of the kids and their safety into consideration. The events that have been happening in the schools is [sic] very concerning and that’s why we took the action we did.”

Just three days later…a report from the Flint Journal says that “A security officer at a Lapeer charter school left a firearm unattended in a school bathroom on Monday, Jan. 14, a school official said.

Further, “the security officer “made a breach in security protocol” and left an unloaded weapon in a restroom for a few moments,” said Chatfield School Director Matt Young.

Young said the school has been in contact with local authorities about the matter and wouldn’t discuss any possible repercussion for the officer, calling it “a personnel matter.” Young also declined to name the security officer.

Lapeer resident Tris Fritz, who has children in third and fifth grade at the school said “I think that some kid might not think it’s a real gun. They might think it’s a toy. They’re going to be curious, that’s the nature of a child. I know people are human and they make mistakes,” Fritz added. “That’s kind of a big mistake.”

This brings back the question of responsibility…who is responsible for an error that can cause death?

The County prosecutor Byron Konschuh said since nobody was harmed, the incident likely would not constitute a criminal charge. So again…NOBODY. And the failures that kill nearly 500 children a year, failure to properly maintain control of your weapon continue…without consequences.
Posted on CafeMom Mobile
by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:21 AM
Add your quick reply below:
You must be a member to reply to this post.
Replies (1-10):
JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM
12 moms liked this
"the security officer “made a breach in security protocol” and left an UNLOADED......"""

Did I read that right?! What the heck is his purpose at the school then with an unloaded firearm? How are the students protected?

Stupid.
Posted on the NEW CafeMom Mobile
sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:36 AM
1 mom liked this
This brings back the question of responsibility…who is responsible for an error that can cause death?


Good question..
Posted on CafeMom Mobile
UpSheRises
by Silver Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:38 AM
3 moms liked this

What's the big deal?

Guns make us safer!

romalove
by SenseandSensibility on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:42 AM
5 moms liked this


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

"the security officer “made a breach in security protocol” and left an UNLOADED......"""

Did I read that right?! What the heck is his purpose at the school then with an unloaded firearm? How are the students protected?

Stupid.

I sometimes have thought if we keep guns locked away or unloaded how are they making us safer, and if we keep them at the ready and loaded how do we ensure they don't get into the wrong hands.

I don't know any good answer for this, btw.

JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:47 AM
5 moms liked this
First of all, if his weapon were properly holstered on belted waist, then there would be no need to "leave" it in a bathroom.

Second, the best way to guarantee that the firearm does not fall into the wrong hands is again - to be properly holstered on a belted waist.

An empty firearm is nothing more than a paperweight. Time necessary to load it in a combat situation is lost time.


Quoting romalove:


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

"the security officer “made a breach in security protocol” and left an UNLOADED......"""



Did I read that right?! What the heck is his purpose at the school then with an unloaded firearm? How are the students protected?



Stupid.

I sometimes have thought if we keep guns locked away or unloaded how are they making us safer, and if we keep them at the ready and loaded how do we ensure they don't get into the wrong hands.

I don't know any good answer for this, btw.

Posted on the NEW CafeMom Mobile
rccmom
by Gold Member on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:48 AM
8 moms liked this
The more armed guards we have, the greater the chance for such mistakes, and worse. Plus, still no absolute guarantee of the school being safe from shooters.
Posted on CafeMom Mobile
romalove
by SenseandSensibility on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:49 AM
1 mom liked this


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

First of all, if his weapon were properly holstered on belted waist, then there would be no need to "leave" it in a bathroom.

Second, the best way to guarantee that the firearm does not fall into the wrong hands is again - to be properly holstered on a belted waist.

An empty firearm is nothing more than a paperweight. Time necessary to load it in a combat situation is lost time.


Quoting romalove:


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

"the security officer “made a breach in security protocol” and left an UNLOADED......"""



Did I read that right?! What the heck is his purpose at the school then with an unloaded firearm? How are the students protected?



Stupid.

I sometimes have thought if we keep guns locked away or unloaded how are they making us safer, and if we keep them at the ready and loaded how do we ensure they don't get into the wrong hands.

I don't know any good answer for this, btw.

I wasn't just thinking about this at school, although I am not convinced even with it properly holstered that someone couldn't make a mistake and a loaded gun get into the wrong hands.

I was thinking for protection, do people have loaded guns in the nightstand drawer for "just in case"?  Isn't that the purpose of having them for protection?  But if that's the case and they aren't locked away or unloaded doesn't that leave a situation where a child or someone else could get their hands on it?

romalove
by SenseandSensibility on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:53 AM
4 moms liked this


Quoting rccmom:

The more armed guards we have, the greater the chance for such mistakes, and worse. Plus, still no absolute guarantee of the school being safe from shooters.

Same thing for armed teachers.

My daughter's school has what I call "feel good and do nothing" security.  The doors are all locked and you have to be buzzed in during normal school hours.  The ten minutes the doors are open in the morning to let the kids in they are monitored by staff and the kids must have ID to be let in (I can't tell you how many $5 fines I have paid because my daughter forgets her ID all the time).  If I come during the day, I have to not only be buzzed in but have to state why I am coming in, and stop at security and show picture ID even though they know me.  The other day I didn't have the ID and they made me leave the school to go get it, even though they know me.

Now if I was there to do something bad, I was already in the school and could have done it.  The whole policy makes no sense.  The shooter in Newtown didn't go through security procedures, he shot out a glass panel to gain entrance.  Nothing save a marksman right where he was to gain access who took him down would have stopped him.  An armed guard at the front entrance doesn't preclude someone from shooting out a back or side entrance, or shooting into a classroom from outside.

Feel good and do nothing, that's what it is.

JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:54 AM
These days, there are safes and gun locks that can be unlocked by fingerprint and DNA. It's irresponsible to leave firearms laying around without at the very least - attempting these safeguards.

There is never a broad, 100% solution. Even with the best of preparation, sometimes things happen.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer. What works in one home/for one person may not work for another.


Quoting romalove:


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

First of all, if his weapon were properly holstered on belted waist, then there would be no need to "leave" it in a bathroom.



Second, the best way to guarantee that the firearm does not fall into the wrong hands is again - to be properly holstered on a belted waist.



An empty firearm is nothing more than a paperweight. Time necessary to load it in a combat situation is lost time.




Quoting romalove:


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

"the security officer “made a breach in security protocol” and left an UNLOADED......"""





Did I read that right?! What the heck is his purpose at the school then with an unloaded firearm? How are the students protected?





Stupid.

I sometimes have thought if we keep guns locked away or unloaded how are they making us safer, and if we keep them at the ready and loaded how do we ensure they don't get into the wrong hands.

I don't know any good answer for this, btw.

I wasn't just thinking about this at school, although I am not convinced even with it properly holstered that someone couldn't make a mistake and a loaded gun get into the wrong hands.

I was thinking for protection, do people have loaded guns in the nightstand drawer for "just in case"?  Isn't that the purpose of having them for protection?  But if that's the case and they aren't locked away or unloaded doesn't that leave a situation where a child or someone else could get their hands on it?

Posted on the NEW CafeMom Mobile
romalove
by SenseandSensibility on Jan. 18, 2013 at 7:59 AM
1 mom liked this


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

These days, there are safes and gun locks that can be unlocked by fingerprint and DNA. It's irresponsible to leave firearms laying around without at the very least - attempting these safeguards.

There is never a broad, 100% solution. Even with the best of preparation, sometimes things happen.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer. What works in one home/for one person may not work for another.


Quoting romalove:


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

First of all, if his weapon were properly holstered on belted waist, then there would be no need to "leave" it in a bathroom.



Second, the best way to guarantee that the firearm does not fall into the wrong hands is again - to be properly holstered on a belted waist.



An empty firearm is nothing more than a paperweight. Time necessary to load it in a combat situation is lost time.




Quoting romalove:


Quoting JoshRachelsMAMA:

"the security officer “made a breach in security protocol” and left an UNLOADED......"""





Did I read that right?! What the heck is his purpose at the school then with an unloaded firearm? How are the students protected?





Stupid.

I sometimes have thought if we keep guns locked away or unloaded how are they making us safer, and if we keep them at the ready and loaded how do we ensure they don't get into the wrong hands.

I don't know any good answer for this, btw.

I wasn't just thinking about this at school, although I am not convinced even with it properly holstered that someone couldn't make a mistake and a loaded gun get into the wrong hands.

I was thinking for protection, do people have loaded guns in the nightstand drawer for "just in case"?  Isn't that the purpose of having them for protection?  But if that's the case and they aren't locked away or unloaded doesn't that leave a situation where a child or someone else could get their hands on it?

I agree, no easy answer.

Add your quick reply below:
You must be a member to reply to this post.
Join the Meeting Place for Moms!
Talk to other moms, share advice, and have fun!

(minimum 6 characters)