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Did anyone get fired because they failed to do their jobs before Benghazi?

Posted by on Jan. 25, 2013 at 12:32 AM
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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton confirmed this week that several employees who were "removed" from their positions in the wake of the Libya terror attack are still being paid and have not actually left her department.

But she also gave a surprising answer when asked why: Her hands are tied, she said.

Amid complaints from lawmakers that no government official has really been held accountable for missteps in the run-up to the attack, Clinton claimed current federal regulations limit what disciplinary actions can be taken.

The sticking point appears to be what constitutes a "breach of duty," which is the threshold for action. Whether it turns out the secretary has more leeway, lawmakers expressed a keen interest Thursday in changing the law.

"I'm sure that Congress will work on this important issue so that those held responsible for ignoring repeated requests for more security will not continue to enjoy their paid vacations, which is what administrative leave with salary is," Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., former chairwoman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, said in a statement to FoxNews.com.

Ros-Lehtinen said her understanding is that department lawyers determined the review board "did not cite the correct causes that would have allowed such disciplinary action."

The congresswoman pointedly questioned Clinton on Wednesday during a House hearing about the four employees who were supposedly punished after a long-awaited report on the Sept. 11 attack was released late last year. She accused the department of doing "nothing to correct the record" when media reported at the time that department officials were being held accountable.

"There's just been a shuffling of the deck chairs," Ros-Lehtinen said.

Clinton confirmed that, while four individuals were "removed from their jobs," three of those employees who were placed on administrative leave are still on leave and being paid.

The New York Post reported last month that the fourth, Assistant Secretary of State Eric Boswell, resigned from his position but not the department. The State Department has not disputed that.

But Clinton claimed Wednesday that "we have taken every step that is available."

"Under federal statute and regulations, unsatisfactory leadership is not grounds for finding a breach of duty," she said. "And the (review board) did not find that these four individuals breached their duty."

Clinton was referring to the findings of the Accountability Review Board, which said "certain senior State Department officials within two bureaus in critical positions ... demonstrated a lack of proactive leadership and management ability appropriate for the State Department's senior ranks."

The board, though, said it did not find any employees "engaged in misconduct or willfully ignored his or her responsibilities, and, therefore did not find reasonable cause to believe that an individual breached his or her duty so as to be the subject of a recommendation for disciplinary action."

That language is important, because of the rules laid out by the Omnibus Diplomatic and Antiterrorism Act of 1986.

According to the law, an accountability review board can recommend disciplinary action if it believes someone has "breached the duty of that individual."

As the Libya board explained, though, "poor performance" does not necessarily "constitute a breach of duty" that could lead to disciplinary action.

The board recommended a change. In the Libya report, the board said the "unsatisfactory leadership performance" at issue "should be a potential basis for discipline recommendations by future ARBs" -- and recommended the department regulations be changed.

Clinton, too, said she was submitting legislation to "fix this problem."

"Because I agree with you," she said. "There ought to be more leeway."

Lawmakers were nevertheless dubious.

"I come from industry. I come from government. And there are individuals that just have to be cut loose when they're not performing their tasks," Rep. Tom Marino, R-Pa., told Clinton on Wednesday. "What's the hold-up from a management perspective of saying, `You three let me down, this should have been brought to my attention. I no longer need your services?'''



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/24/clinton-says-hands-tied-on-disciplining-staffers-over-benghazi-calls-for-change/#ixzz2Iximw3wx

grandma B

by on Jan. 25, 2013 at 12:32 AM
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grandmab125
by Platinum Member on Jan. 25, 2013 at 12:38 AM
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 No.  One person resigned his position, but is in another job with the gov't, and three people are on admin leave....meaning a paid vacation.  Shameful.  In corporate America, they would have been fired immediately without benefits.

This is what always happens with gov't employees.  It is nearly impossible to fire them.  And no one (meaning their superiors) wants to go to the trouble to do it.

So in the end, no one is paying the price for the four lives that were sacrificed due to the negligence of Hilary Clinton and her State Dept.

pvtjokerus
by Gold Member on Jan. 25, 2013 at 7:25 AM
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Sweetheart it is ALL A SHELL GAME: 

"That language is important, because of the rules laid out by the Omnibus Diplomatic and Antiterrorism Act of 1986.

According to the law, an accountability review board can recommend disciplinary action if it believes someone has "breached the duty of that individual."

As the Libya board explained, though, "poor performance" does not necessarily "constitute a breach of duty" that could lead to disciplinary action."

SAM736
by Member on Jan. 25, 2013 at 10:20 AM
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                        So we are paying taxes for those guys who didn't do there job to be on sarcasmVacation?  So sad!   And because they didn't do there job four men are dead and there just going to get away with it what is wrong with this County?

itsmesteph11
by Silver Member on Jan. 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM
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 That would be a big fat NO.   It's very obvious that things need to change in how they do things in our Government.

Debrowsky
by Silver Member on Jan. 25, 2013 at 12:22 PM
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It especially won't change with Dems in control.  Always a cover up.   This is an integral part of the Clinton legacy.

blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Jan. 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM
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Quoting Debrowsky:

It especially won't change with Dems in control.  Always a cover up.   This is an integral part of the Clinton legacy.

 Yes, it is. A ripple effect.

29again
by Gold Member on Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:54 PM
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Quoting Debrowsky:

It especially won't change with Dems in control.  Always a cover up.   This is an integral part of the Clinton legacy.

Yep, the Clintons have always covered up their mistakes and boo-boos.  They both have blood on their hands. 

Debrowsky
by Silver Member on Jan. 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM


I remember reading way back a nasty laundry list of cover ups by the Clintons before he was President.  I have never cared for this couple.

Quoting 29again:


Quoting Debrowsky:

It especially won't change with Dems in control.  Always a cover up.   This is an integral part of the Clinton legacy.

Yep, the Clintons have always covered up their mistakes and boo-boos.  They both have blood on their hands. 



29again
by Gold Member on Jan. 25, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Me either.  I think I know where our current first couple got their sense of entitlement.... 

Quoting Debrowsky:


I remember reading way back a nasty laundry list of cover ups by the Clintons before he was President.  I have never cared for this couple.

Quoting 29again:


Quoting Debrowsky:

It especially won't change with Dems in control.  Always a cover up.   This is an integral part of the Clinton legacy.

Yep, the Clintons have always covered up their mistakes and boo-boos.  They both have blood on their hands. 




nanaofsix531
by Platinum Member on Jan. 25, 2013 at 3:20 PM
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Well lets ask the same question about 911. Not one person was fired over that debacle now were they?

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