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Not “Racist” To Disagree With Obama

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Angie Harmon


Actress Angie Harmon has caused liberals to whine by standing up her politically-correct peers in Hollywood and declaring that it is not “racist” to disagree with the policies of Barack Obama.

“Here’s my problem with this, I’m just going to come out and say it,” Harmon told reporters at a recent event. “If I have anything to say against Obama it’s not because I’m a racist, it’s because I don’t like what he’s doing as President and anybody should be able to feel that way, but what I find now is that if you say anything against him you’re called a racist.”

“But it has nothing to do with it, I don’t care what color he is. I’m just not crazy about what he’s doing and I heard all about this, and he’s gonna do that and change and change, so okay … I’m still dressing for a recession over here buddy and we’ve got unemployment at an all-time high and that was his number one thing and that’s the thing I really don’t appreciate. If I’m going to disagree with my President, that doesn’t make me a racist. If I was to disagree with Bush or Clinton, that doesn’t make me racist. It has nothing to do with it, it is ridiculous.”

by on Jan. 28, 2013 at 5:31 PM
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SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 9:56 PM
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OK, let's cut through all this - Bottom line: Do you condone your fellow Americans sullying the names of others and calling them racists without proof - for disagreeing with Obama?

If you have ears, this is not the fist you have heard of this. What do you think? Right or wrong?

That's the whole point of this post. 

Quoting Denisethedaring:

 I am sorry that I simply can't take one person's side of the story--in this case, you relating conversations you've had with others, both personal and with public figures (really?)--as the definite truth without hearing the side of the other person(s) in the story whom you say called you racist only and solely because you disagreed with Obama.   This is true regardless of the political persuasion of anybody involved, which has made me unpopular in the past even with people who agree politically with me more often than not.  (Being friends with both halves of a divorcing couple more than once will give a person this particular brand of wariness about how different two stories of a supposedly identical argument that occurred between two people can be.)

However, if it's as common as you say, surely the Internet abounds with examples that you could point me toward?  I have not ever seen an example of someone being called a racist only and solely because they disagree with Obama, and Googling that statement gets me nowhere either--no quotes, no transcripts, no videos of this ever happening.  Can you find something that's not simply person-1-said-person-2-said?


Quoting SallyMJ:

Do you listen to or read the news? It's been ubiquitous for 5 years. If you've missed it, maybe you've been busy and haven't paid attention, probably because it was not directed at you. But we need to be aware of the evil some of our fellow citizens are doing to some of our other fellow citizens are experiencing in order to call it out - as you know.

About half the country and I have personally been called a racist many times in the past 5 years, personally and by public figures - simply because I disagree with Obama. Many public figures have made these false statements. Unfairly and falsely.

That is the point of this post. So what do you say about what some of your fellow citizens are falsely saying about others? I call out the crazies in my own party. Do you? Or do you agree with them?

Quoting Denisethedaring:

 I think to get any meaningful answer to this at all, you are going to (a) have to find a liberal who has (b) called someone racist solely and only because that someone disagreed with something Barack Obama said or did.  Good luck with that. :)  Actually, if you do find this creature, do share because I want to know who it is. (Should be noted that I am not a liberal nor have I ever called anyone racist solely and only because he or she disagreed with Obama, so it's no good asking me.)


Quoting SallyMJ:

I have always been very curious that liberals accuse people of racism for:

- Disagreeing with Obama

- Disagreeing with anyone who is black, who is a liberal / progressive

- Agreeing with anyone who is a black conservative

- Supporting small government and a balanced budget

- Being conservative - no matter my ethnicity

- Using the following words and phrases: Chicago, small government, cut spending, decrease taxes, liberty, the Constitution, fiscal responsibility, structural reform of entitlements, welfare requiring able bodied citizens to return to work in 5 years, church, religion, Christian, black market, black hole, black mark, blackout, staying in the black, black box, blacksmith, black licorice, little black book, blackstrap molasses, fade to black. (well maybe not those last six ones).  :)

But, seriously, liberals / progressives say it is impossible for them to be racist, for blacks and other minorities to be racist, that using these "dog whistle" words above are OK for them and not for us, and even the N word and the other N word are OK for them to use about black conservatives. It's crazy!

Libs - Why the discrepancy? Why the double standard? Aren't we all subject to the same laws, the same expectations? Don't we all have freedom of speech and the right to have our own opinion? Is it "Do as I say, and not as I do"? This is so confusing and infuriating and ironic. The people who claim to be the most tolerant and openminded of all turn out in actuality to be the most intolerant and bigoted of all. Why is that?









SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Well, they have their own issues, and I do not condone that.

So what do you think about tha actual point of this post?

Quoting Citygirlk:

Really she's the only one?! I can name at least five people on cm who've said that about him.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Negative.

Obama was very slow on providing his birth certificate to the American people. I think 2011? He purportrated his own rumors.

McCain's citizenship was also questioned, because he was born in Panama. He provided information to clear that up, being the son of American diplomats.

And Obama admitted to being raised Muslim.

None of those are racist.

You are the only person I've heard mention anything about being a "secret terrorist", so that's your own issue.

Quoting PamR:

Of course you can disagree with him and not be a racist.

It's when you question whether or not he's an American citizen/secret Muslim/terrorist in disguise, that you might have formed these opinions based on racism.






LIMom1105
by on Jan. 28, 2013 at 10:00 PM
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Sally, Sally, Sally, we already had a discussion about the birth certificate. It was released in 2008. He released the long form in 2011 which is very different than the certificate released in 08 (the same type McCain and other candidates release). No President has released the long form. If you can't understand what was wrong with this scenario, I can't possibly explain it to you.

Quoting SallyMJ:

I know many people joke about the Kenya thing. It's basically a satirical joke. Even Leno and many comedians do. Kind of like how SNL always makes fun of every president. Harmless.

Re: the BC, he released it in 2011, instead of 2007 or 2008. Way, way late. 

I kept expecting it to have baby footprints on it. Mine does. He made it a WAY bigger deal than he needed to by not just addressing it completely from the beginning. The first one was off - words were misspelled, etc. So why wait SO LONG to release the regular one? He brought it upon himself. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.



Quoting LIMom1105:

 I have no proof, but I would say the birther movement is racially motivated at it's core. Some may have questioned his birth certificate out of genuine concern awhile ago, but I really wonder about those who still question it after he released the long form. Which no sitting President has ever been asked to release, or none in recent memory anyway.



Also a lot of the Kenya cracks and shukkin and jivin (sorry I don't think I spelled that correctly). You can't tell me that's not racist.



But to disagree with Obama, no that in and of itself is  not racist.



Quoting SallyMJ:



In what way?



This is the whole point. Obama and supporters claim that disagreement with him by the opposite party = racism. It doesn't. You even admit that. How can you say then that you think it is racist? Those are opposite positions.



Quoting rccmom:



Of course it doesn't, and agreeing with him doesn't mean you are not a racist. However, seeing how this Preseident has been commented on and treated has let me realize the are still quite a few racist people out there. 









 





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Erinelizz
by Bronze Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 10:04 PM
He just told him to watch what he was saying. Hehe, "took care of it" kinda sounds like something a mobster would do, right?! We're very non-violent, really! The rest of our Thanksgiving was lovely.

Quoting SallyMJ:

So what did your hubby do? Talk to him, I imagine?


Quoting Erinelizz:

 Lol, I did want to punch him (verbally, of course). My husband saw how mad I was and took care of it.  Normally I would say something, but it was Thanksgiving! 


Quoting SallyMJ:



Intolerance in any form pisses me off. If someone in my family said that, I would want to punch them. Verbally.


Quoting Erinelizz:

Sorry for the confusion.

And no, I definitely don't think that disagreeing with the president's policies makes someone a racist. I know what my brother in law said was clearly racist, and very different from what the writer of the article was talking about. I just had to get it off my chest; It's been bugging me for a while! It's sad to know racism still exists, especially that close to home.



Quoting SallyMJ:


Yes, absolutely. He said racist things. (Sorry, didn't know what BIL was. I have a brother named Bill.) :)


Very different from disagreeing with Obama's ideas - who are most of the people this "racist" epithet is being falsely hurled at.


I believe  with you in calling a racist a racist. Just not people who are not.



Quoting Erinelizz:

My brother in law (BIL) said those words, referring to Obama, at the Thanksgiving dinner table in front of my kids. Does that count as being racist?




Quoting SallyMJ:


Huh?




Quoting Erinelizz:

Is it okay for me to call my BIL a racist when he says "I'm not listening to a thing that n****r says, he should be plowing my fields."?????
















 




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SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 10:07 PM
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LilMom, LilMom, LilMom,

The BC in 2008 was the one with the fishy details, misspelled words, etc. It was not a copy of the original, it was a digital copy printed in 2008 of details on the BC. Was not a usual BC.

My BC has footprints on it. I was expecting his 2011 to have those. But maybe not all BCs have them. 

All I know is if you aren't straightforward from the start, thinks look suspicious. And the more you drag it out, the more and more suspicious it seems.

And he didn't release his college records like all the recent presidents and presidential candidates. When you withhold a lot, it looks sneaky, even if it isn't actually sneaky. Better to be upfront from the start.

Most presidents in the past 200 years have been born in the US. Only a handful have not, so this is not a usual question. In 2008, there were questions about both Obama and McCain. McCain cleared his up to the satisfaction of the American people, Obama did not until 2011. Why? Who knows?

Quoting LIMom1105:

Sally, Sally, Sally, we already had a discussion about the birth certificate. It was released in 2008. He released the long form in 2011 which is very different than the certificate released in 08 (the same type McCain and other candidates release). No President has released the long form. If you can't understand what was wrong with this scenario, I can't possibly explain it to you.

Quoting SallyMJ:

I know many people joke about the Kenya thing. It's basically a satirical joke. Even Leno and many comedians do. Kind of like how SNL always makes fun of every president. Harmless.

Re: the BC, he released it in 2011, instead of 2007 or 2008. Way, way late. 

I kept expecting it to have baby footprints on it. Mine does. He made it a WAY bigger deal than he needed to by not just addressing it completely from the beginning. The first one was off - words were misspelled, etc. So why wait SO LONG to release the regular one? He brought it upon himself. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.



Quoting LIMom1105:

 I have no proof, but I would say the birther movement is racially motivated at it's core. Some may have questioned his birth certificate out of genuine concern awhile ago, but I really wonder about those who still question it after he released the long form. Which no sitting President has ever been asked to release, or none in recent memory anyway.



Also a lot of the Kenya cracks and shukkin and jivin (sorry I don't think I spelled that correctly). You can't tell me that's not racist.



But to disagree with Obama, no that in and of itself is  not racist.



Quoting SallyMJ:



In what way?



This is the whole point. Obama and supporters claim that disagreement with him by the opposite party = racism. It doesn't. You even admit that. How can you say then that you think it is racist? Those are opposite positions.



Quoting rccmom:



Of course it doesn't, and agreeing with him doesn't mean you are not a racist. However, seeing how this Preseident has been commented on and treated has let me realize the are still quite a few racist people out there. 









 







deepthinker
by Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 10:17 PM
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No it's not racist to disagree with the presidents policies, but let's be honest here.  The vast majority of issues with Obama has little to do with his policies. Before he even became president, folks were out taking oaths and making proclamations that he will only be a one term president if he won, he isn't American, he's a Muslim, etc.  Not to mention that quite a few of the groups who are against Obama are white supremacist groups or funded by them. People making claims that white house isn't white anymore and he will turn into a ghetto, calling him the Kenyan, demanding things from him that no other president in history ever had to produce before. 

Let us not forget the a large portion of the media and social outlets are very clear in why they dislike him, because the racism is obvious.  I don't think everyone who doesn't agree with the president is a racist, but a good number of them are.  That also includes those who are black, who say he isn't doing anything for black people, as if he is the president of black people only.  He is the president of all people and not just black people, so no we should not receive any special treatment because we share the same color skin. So I view those people as racist as well, because they believe that their skin color should afford them some special treatment or advantage. If you take race  into account before you even think of what his policies can or can't do for you, then you are most likely racist.


Denisethedaring
by Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Just like I told Jon and Stacey--I can't take sides unless the namecalling either happens in front of me or is recorded in some textual, audio or video fashion for me to see without personal reporting bias. (Actually, I just thought that--what I said was much more diplomatically phrased, though it meant the exact same thing, because they were both my friends in real life looking for emotional support and you are a stranger on an internet message board looking for a fight, so I figure we can dispense with the diplomatic obfuscation.)


Quoting SallyMJ:

OK, let's cut through all this - Bottom line: Do you condone your fellow Americans sullying the names of others and calling them racists without proof - for disagreeing with Obama?

If you have ears, this is not the fist you have heard of this. What do you think? Right or wrong?

That's the whole point of this post. 

Quoting Denisethedaring:

 I am sorry that I simply can't take one person's side of the story--in this case, you relating conversations you've had with others, both personal and with public figures (really?)--as the definite truth without hearing the side of the other person(s) in the story whom you say called you racist only and solely because you disagreed with Obama.   This is true regardless of the political persuasion of anybody involved, which has made me unpopular in the past even with people who agree politically with me more often than not.  (Being friends with both halves of a divorcing couple more than once will give a person this particular brand of wariness about how different two stories of a supposedly identical argument that occurred between two people can be.)

However, if it's as common as you say, surely the Internet abounds with examples that you could point me toward?  I have not ever seen an example of someone being called a racist only and solely because they disagree with Obama, and Googling that statement gets me nowhere either--no quotes, no transcripts, no videos of this ever happening.  Can you find something that's not simply person-1-said-person-2-said?

 

Quoting SallyMJ:

Do you listen to or read the news? It's been ubiquitous for 5 years. If you've missed it, maybe you've been busy and haven't paid attention, probably because it was not directed at you. But we need to be aware of the evil some of our fellow citizens are doing to some of our other fellow citizens are experiencing in order to call it out - as you know.

About half the country and I have personally been called a racist many times in the past 5 years, personally and by public figures - simply because I disagree with Obama. Many public figures have made these false statements. Unfairly and falsely.

That is the point of this post. So what do you say about what some of your fellow citizens are falsely saying about others? I call out the crazies in my own party. Do you? Or do you agree with them?

Quoting Denisethedaring:

 I think to get any meaningful answer to this at all, you are going to (a) have to find a liberal who has (b) called someone racist solely and only because that someone disagreed with something Barack Obama said or did.  Good luck with that. :)  Actually, if you do find this creature, do share because I want to know who it is. (Should be noted that I am not a liberal nor have I ever called anyone racist solely and only because he or she disagreed with Obama, so it's no good asking me.)

 

Quoting SallyMJ:

I have always been very curious that liberals accuse people of racism for:

- Disagreeing with Obama

- Disagreeing with anyone who is black, who is a liberal / progressive

- Agreeing with anyone who is a black conservative

- Supporting small government and a balanced budget

- Being conservative - no matter my ethnicity

- Using the following words and phrases: Chicago, small government, cut spending, decrease taxes, liberty, the Constitution, fiscal responsibility, structural reform of entitlements, welfare requiring able bodied citizens to return to work in 5 years, church, religion, Christian, black market, black hole, black mark, blackout, staying in the black, black box, blacksmith, black licorice, little black book, blackstrap molasses, fade to black. (well maybe not those last six ones).  :)

But, seriously, liberals / progressives say it is impossible for them to be racist, for blacks and other minorities to be racist, that using these "dog whistle" words above are OK for them and not for us, and even the N word and the other N word are OK for them to use about black conservatives. It's crazy!

Libs - Why the discrepancy? Why the double standard? Aren't we all subject to the same laws, the same expectations? Don't we all have freedom of speech and the right to have our own opinion? Is it "Do as I say, and not as I do"? This is so confusing and infuriating and ironic. The people who claim to be the most tolerant and openminded of all turn out in actuality to be the most intolerant and bigoted of all. Why is that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

Citygirlk
by on Jan. 28, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I think it's stupid. Lol but on a serious note you can disagree with the president and not be racist or prejudice, it's when you take it to a personal level and talk badly about his wife and kids and wish him dead that's something different, that's hate. And I see it a lot here, and all I can do is shake my head. 

There is a reason why I say racism has gotten worse ever since he got elected ( hell ever since he ran for election) is because now people show their true colors. Look at michele backman calling him a poorch monkey and then acting like thats not what she meant, please.Since when are you able to get away with shit like that on tv? And then have so many defend her smh. And people talk about well he's half white too so we can't be racist . People don't care if he's half white all they see is his skin and think the black guy is destroying America they can't do anything thing right America should of voted for the white guy. Smh 

Anyway back on topic there a difference between saying I don't like Obama because of aca and I don't like him because he's a nazi socialist anti Christ Muslim from Kenya who only goal is to bring America to its knees and put all the white people in camps.


Quoting SallyMJ:

Well, they have their own issues, and I do not condone that.

So what do you think about tha actual point of this post?

Quoting Citygirlk:

Really she's the only one?! I can name at least five people on cm who've said that about him.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Negative.

Obama was very slow on providing his birth certificate to the American people. I think 2011? He purportrated his own rumors.

McCain's citizenship was also questioned, because he was born in Panama. He provided information to clear that up, being the son of American diplomats.

And Obama admitted to being raised Muslim.

None of those are racist.

You are the only person I've heard mention anything about being a "secret terrorist", so that's your own issue.

Quoting PamR:

Of course you can disagree with him and not be a racist.

It's when you question whether or not he's an American citizen/secret Muslim/terrorist in disguise, that you might have formed these opinions based on racism.







Denisethedaring
by Member on Jan. 28, 2013 at 10:25 PM

I should note--I'm a fiscal conservative who has loudly complained about specific Obama activities and attitudes and have been as a result called all sorts of nasty things by at least one specific liberal writer/blogger I can think of, yet the one thing she never did call me was racist.  Apparently using words and phrases like small government. limiting welfare, cutting entitlement programs, welfare reform, very disappointed in Obama's actions on X Y and Z, isn't enough to get a die-hard liberal to call me racist.  (It is enough to get me accused of wanting children to starve to death, though--I quote.) So what am I not saying to have that accusation thrown at me..?

LIMom1105
by on Jan. 28, 2013 at 10:28 PM
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You clearly believe what you want to believe. What were the misspellings and fishy details with the 08 certificate? And having footprints on a certificate does not make it real, mine has none. Neither does my son's, and my husband's does not either. 

But there is no convincing you that a birth certificate was released in 08 I see. 

Quoting SallyMJ:

LilMom, LilMom, LilMom,

The BC in 2008 was the one with the fishy details, misspelled words, etc. It was not a copy of the original, it was a digital copy printed in 2008 of details on the BC. Was not a usual BC.

My BC has footprints on it. I was expecting his 2011 to have those. But maybe not all BCs have them. 

All I know is if you aren't straightforward from the start, thinks look suspicious. And the more you drag it out, the more and more suspicious it seems.

And he didn't release his college records like all the recent presidents and presidential candidates. When you withhold a lot, it looks sneaky, even if it isn't actually sneaky. Better to be upfront from the start.

Most presidents in the past 200 years have been born in the US. Only a handful have not, so this is not a usual question. In 2008, there were questions about both Obama and McCain. McCain cleared his up to the satisfaction of the American people, Obama did not until 2011. Why? Who knows?

Quoting LIMom1105:

Sally, Sally, Sally, we already had a discussion about the birth certificate. It was released in 2008. He released the long form in 2011 which is very different than the certificate released in 08 (the same type McCain and other candidates release). No President has released the long form. If you can't understand what was wrong with this scenario, I can't possibly explain it to you.

Quoting SallyMJ:

I know many people joke about the Kenya thing. It's basically a satirical joke. Even Leno and many comedians do. Kind of like how SNL always makes fun of every president. Harmless.

Re: the BC, he released it in 2011, instead of 2007 or 2008. Way, way late. 

I kept expecting it to have baby footprints on it. Mine does. He made it a WAY bigger deal than he needed to by not just addressing it completely from the beginning. The first one was off - words were misspelled, etc. So why wait SO LONG to release the regular one? He brought it upon himself. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.



Quoting LIMom1105:

 I have no proof, but I would say the birther movement is racially motivated at it's core. Some may have questioned his birth certificate out of genuine concern awhile ago, but I really wonder about those who still question it after he released the long form. Which no sitting President has ever been asked to release, or none in recent memory anyway.



Also a lot of the Kenya cracks and shukkin and jivin (sorry I don't think I spelled that correctly). You can't tell me that's not racist.



But to disagree with Obama, no that in and of itself is  not racist.



Quoting SallyMJ:



In what way?



This is the whole point. Obama and supporters claim that disagreement with him by the opposite party = racism. It doesn't. You even admit that. How can you say then that you think it is racist? Those are opposite positions.



Quoting rccmom:



Of course it doesn't, and agreeing with him doesn't mean you are not a racist. However, seeing how this Preseident has been commented on and treated has let me realize the are still quite a few racist people out there. 









 








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