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The New Anti-Choice Legislation To Watch: ‘Fetal Heartbeat’ Bills Banning Nearly All Abortions

Posted by on Jan. 31, 2013 at 9:48 AM
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The New Anti-Choice Legislation To Watch: ‘Fetal Heartbeat’ Bills Banning Nearly All Abortions

2011 and 2012 were both record-breaking years for new abortion restrictions, and abortion opponents are aren’t showing signs of letting up this year. The “personhood” movement to endow zygotes with the full rights of U.S. citizens, effectively outlawing all abortions and even some forms of contraception, has largely been a failure â€” but that doesn’t mean anti-choice lawmakers are giving up their quest to redefine the medical terms of pregnancy. The push for “fetal heartbeat” bans is the next anti-choice movement to watch.

Fetal heartbeat measures seek to outlaw abortions as soon as a fetal heartbeat can be detected — which can occur as early as six weeks, before many women even know they’re pregnant — in direct contradiction to Roe v. Wade, which guarantees women’s right to an abortion until the point of viability at about 23 or 24 weeks of pregnancy. Despite the fact that heartbeat bills are much more extreme than the 20-week abortion bans that are alreadyfloundering in court for running afoul of Roe v. Wade, anti-choice lawmakers in at least five states are flirting with this type of legislation:

– OHIO: Anti-choice lawmakers in Ohio first advanced a heartbeat bill in 2011. After the measure was stalled in the state senate for over a year, abortion opponents pressured the legislature to take up the issue again during their lame duck session after the 2012 elections. But ultimately, the bill didn’t come up for a vote because the state Senate leader, Tom Niehaus (R-OH), acknowledged it was too controversial even among abortion opponents. Niehaus said he wanted to wait until lawmakers anti-choice communityreached consensus on the measure — which means it could be back on the agenda sometime this year.

– MISSISSIPPI: About a week into the new year, GOP lawmakers in Mississippifiled a fetal heartbeat bill virtually identical to the one that failed to make it out of committee during the state’s last legislative session. Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant (R) has already made it clear that he would sign such a bill if it ever reaches his desk. At a private anti-abortion event at the beginning of January, the governor confirmed that he supports banning abortion as soon as a fetal heartbeat can be detected. “It would tell that mother, ‘Your child has a heartbeat,’” Bryant said.

– WYOMING: About two weeks ago, state Rep. Kendell Kroeker (R) introduced a measure to supersede the medical definition of viability. Current state law says abortions are prohibited after a fetus has “reached viability,” and Kroeker sought to replace those words with “a detectable fetal heartbeat.” The Republican lawmaker said the idea for his heartbeat bill just came to him one day because “it became clear that if a baby had a heartbeat, that seemed simple to me that it’s wrong to kill it.” On Monday, a House panel struck down Kroeker’s bill because it was too medically vague. But if Ohio and Mississippi are any indication, this likely won’t be the last time that fetal heartbeat legislation shows up in Wyoming.

– ARKANSAS: Republicans in Arkansas also hopped on the fetal heartbeat train this week, but they went a step further — state Sen. Jason Rapert’s (R) proposed heartbeat bill would prosecute the doctors who perform abortionsafter the arbitrary cut-off with a Class D felony, punishable by up to six years in prison and up to a $10,000 fine. And thanks to the strong Republican majorities in Arkansas’ legislature, this piece of legislation has a good chance of advancing. It easily passed out of committee on Wednesday and is nowheaded to the state Senate, where 19 of the chamber’s total 35 members have already signed onto it as co-sponsors.

– NORTH DAKOTA: Like Arkansas, the anti-choice politicians in North Dakota want to prosecute the doctors who perform abortions after a fetal heartbeat can be detected — and their heartbeat ban was part of the “flurry” of anti-abortion bills that lawmakers rushed to introduce around last week’s Roe v. Wade anniversary. A House committee is currently considering the measure, along with an even more radical “personhood” proposal. North Dakota has already imposed some the most restrictive anti-abortion laws in the nation, and women’s health advocates in the state warn that the passage of these new bills “would be tantamount to banning abortion” altogether.

Three of the states on this list — Mississippi, Arkansas, and North Dakota — only have a single surgical abortion clinic left in the entire state, which means women already have to overcome significant geographic barriers to obtain an abortion. If women’s window to access legal reproductive services is narrowed by about 17 weeks, as lawmakers attempt to move the cut-off back from 23 weeks of pregnancy to just 6 weeks, many women may not have enough time to make the trip.

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SlapItHigh
by on Feb. 3, 2013 at 10:03 PM
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This bill is a step in the right direction!
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chloedee
by Bronze Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Did you even read the article? It mentions the Guttmacher Institute, but has nothing to do with her independent research and conclusions and the other neutral organization research mentioned.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Sigh.  The statistics exist, Jcribb.  There are numerous studies. Again and again, the data is repeatable.

Here's an article written by one scientist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/05/AR2010110507322.html

The Guttmacher Institute is a liberal bias organization. The findings are inaccurate.


Quote:

My research, based on clinic interviews in the 1990s with more than 400 women who obtained a first-trimester abortion, shows that women who terminate an unplanned pregnancy report a range of feelings, including sadness and loss as well as relief. Nonetheless, two years after their abortion, most women say they would make the same decision if they had it to do over again under the same circumstances. Because of the stigma attached to abortion in our society, however, most women feel they can't talk about their abortions - unless they repent.


Quoting jcribb16:

CM is a pretty liberal site to begin with, so of course "woman after woman right here...."  Where are some better statistics outside of CM, representing all ladies with abortions, from all walks of life, and from all different parties and religions?  That is where the truth will be shown.

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Sorry, still doesn't make it true, Blonde.

Studies show that women who are mentally healthy do not suffer any long term mental damage from abortion.  It just doesn't happen. 

Woman after woman right here on CM have stated quite clearly that they do not regret their decision to terminate, nor did they suffer any mental or physical consequences.

For that, you called at least one, what was it - callous?

THAT is why *some* women say they have problems, BK.  Because people like you make them think that if they don't claim to suffer some kind of debilitating guilt, they will be judged poorly.

That's cruel, BK.  Yeah, I said it.  You are a cruel, harmful person to make women want to claim something like this out of fear that you will judge them.  It's mean.  It's not Christlike at all.

You create problems where there are none, instead of looking at the actual problem head-on, and you hurt people in the process.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Sigh.

Untrue propoganda from anti-choice websites does not a fact make.  Who you trying to convince?  Me?  Sorry.  Not going to work.

I care too much about women, their lives, and their families to read that hot mess of lies. 

How many women have you helped who suffer from their abortion!? It's much easier to live in your world of denial, Jax. You continually support abortion for any reason but refuse to take responsibility for your choices. I have been a prolife advocate for more than 30 yrs. I have listed several times the numerous ways my husband & I reach out to both women & their children in these situations.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 


 






 



blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Feb. 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM

 

Quoting chloedee:

Did you even read the article? It mentions the Guttmacher Institute, but has nothing to do with her independent research and conclusions and the other neutral organization research mentioned.

I've been active for more than 30 yrs. I have talked to Drs who respect all life. Listen to women who experience emotional/physical health problems subsequently from abortion. My faith teaches me abortion IS murder. A woman's body was never created to kill her child. The violent procedure of abortion will undoubtedly have serious repercussions upon a woman's health & body. Sometimes the consequences come yrs later. Women who deny this reality and continue to support abortion have already been affected by abortion. Abortion hardens the heart. Blinds the individual to the true nature of abortion. What it does to society and any Nation which condones this barbarism. So yes, everyone is touched by abortion. The more babies killed, less & less respect toward human life. Your comments continually reflect this outcome. You justify the deliberate taking of innocent life.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Sigh.  The statistics exist, Jcribb.  There are numerous studies. Again and again, the data is repeatable.

Here's an article written by one scientist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/05/AR2010110507322.html

The Guttmacher Institute is a liberal bias organization. The findings are inaccurate.


Quote:

My research, based on clinic interviews in the 1990s with more than 400 women who obtained a first-trimester abortion, shows that women who terminate an unplanned pregnancy report a range of feelings, including sadness and loss as well as relief. Nonetheless, two years after their abortion, most women say they would make the same decision if they had it to do over again under the same circumstances. Because of the stigma attached to abortion in our society, however, most women feel they can't talk about their abortions - unless they repent.


Quoting jcribb16:

CM is a pretty liberal site to begin with, so of course "woman after woman right here...."  Where are some better statistics outside of CM, representing all ladies with abortions, from all walks of life, and from all different parties and religions?  That is where the truth will be shown.

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Sorry, still doesn't make it true, Blonde.

Studies show that women who are mentally healthy do not suffer any long term mental damage from abortion.  It just doesn't happen. 

Woman after woman right here on CM have stated quite clearly that they do not regret their decision to terminate, nor did they suffer any mental or physical consequences.

For that, you called at least one, what was it - callous?

THAT is why *some* women say they have problems, BK.  Because people like you make them think that if they don't claim to suffer some kind of debilitating guilt, they will be judged poorly.

That's cruel, BK.  Yeah, I said it.  You are a cruel, harmful person to make women want to claim something like this out of fear that you will judge them.  It's mean.  It's not Christlike at all.

You create problems where there are none, instead of looking at the actual problem head-on, and you hurt people in the process.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Sigh.

Untrue propoganda from anti-choice websites does not a fact make.  Who you trying to convince?  Me?  Sorry.  Not going to work.

I care too much about women, their lives, and their families to read that hot mess of lies. 

How many women have you helped who suffer from their abortion!? It's much easier to live in your world of denial, Jax. You continually support abortion for any reason but refuse to take responsibility for your choices. I have been a prolife advocate for more than 30 yrs. I have listed several times the numerous ways my husband & I reach out to both women & their children in these situations.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

chloedee
by Bronze Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 11:58 AM
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Is that your way of saying that despite sound scientific research you'll continue to go with your factually incorrect assumptions? That's fine, just not very convincing to others in a debate.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting chloedee:

Did you even read the article? It mentions the Guttmacher Institute, but has nothing to do with her independent research and conclusions and the other neutral organization research mentioned.

I've been active for more than 30 yrs. I have talked to Drs who respect all life. Listen to women who experience emotional/physical health problems subsequently from abortion. My faith teaches me abortion IS murder. A woman's body was never created to kill her child. The violent procedure of abortion will undoubtedly have serious repercussions upon a woman's health & body. Sometimes the consequences come yrs later. Women who deny this reality and continue to support abortion have already been affected by abortion. Abortion hardens the heart. Blinds the individual to the true nature of abortion. What it does to society and any Nation which condones this barbarism. So yes, everyone is touched by abortion. The more babies killed, less & less respect toward human life. Your comments continually reflect this outcome. You justify the deliberate taking of innocent life.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Sigh.  The statistics exist, Jcribb.  There are numerous studies. Again and again, the data is repeatable.

Here's an article written by one scientist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/05/AR2010110507322.html

The Guttmacher Institute is a liberal bias organization. The findings are inaccurate.


Quote:

My research, based on clinic interviews in the 1990s with more than 400 women who obtained a first-trimester abortion, shows that women who terminate an unplanned pregnancy report a range of feelings, including sadness and loss as well as relief. Nonetheless, two years after their abortion, most women say they would make the same decision if they had it to do over again under the same circumstances. Because of the stigma attached to abortion in our society, however, most women feel they can't talk about their abortions - unless they repent.


Quoting jcribb16:

CM is a pretty liberal site to begin with, so of course "woman after woman right here...."  Where are some better statistics outside of CM, representing all ladies with abortions, from all walks of life, and from all different parties and religions?  That is where the truth will be shown.

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Sorry, still doesn't make it true, Blonde.

Studies show that women who are mentally healthy do not suffer any long term mental damage from abortion.  It just doesn't happen. 

Woman after woman right here on CM have stated quite clearly that they do not regret their decision to terminate, nor did they suffer any mental or physical consequences.

For that, you called at least one, what was it - callous?

THAT is why *some* women say they have problems, BK.  Because people like you make them think that if they don't claim to suffer some kind of debilitating guilt, they will be judged poorly.

That's cruel, BK.  Yeah, I said it.  You are a cruel, harmful person to make women want to claim something like this out of fear that you will judge them.  It's mean.  It's not Christlike at all.

You create problems where there are none, instead of looking at the actual problem head-on, and you hurt people in the process.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Sigh.

Untrue propoganda from anti-choice websites does not a fact make.  Who you trying to convince?  Me?  Sorry.  Not going to work.

I care too much about women, their lives, and their families to read that hot mess of lies. 

How many women have you helped who suffer from their abortion!? It's much easier to live in your world of denial, Jax. You continually support abortion for any reason but refuse to take responsibility for your choices. I have been a prolife advocate for more than 30 yrs. I have listed several times the numerous ways my husband & I reach out to both women & their children in these situations.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 


 






 



 



jaxTheMomm
by Gold Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM
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Really?  A woman's body was never made to "kill her child" ?  Let me guess...  Miscarriage and birth defects are punishments from God or something?

And as for the rest - it really doesn't matter what your faith teaches you when it comes to the law.  What matters is ensuring that women have accurate information as opposed to false propoganda, like if they don't regret their decision or have medical issues, their "heart is hardened" by abortion.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting chloedee:

Did you even read the article? It mentions the Guttmacher Institute, but has nothing to do with her independent research and conclusions and the other neutral organization research mentioned.

I've been active for more than 30 yrs. I have talked to Drs who respect all life. Listen to women who experience emotional/physical health problems subsequently from abortion. My faith teaches me abortion IS murder. A woman's body was never created to kill her child. The violent procedure of abortion will undoubtedly have serious repercussions upon a woman's health & body. Sometimes the consequences come yrs later. Women who deny this reality and continue to support abortion have already been affected by abortion. Abortion hardens the heart. Blinds the individual to the true nature of abortion. What it does to society and any Nation which condones this barbarism. So yes, everyone is touched by abortion. The more babies killed, less & less respect toward human life. Your comments continually reflect this outcome. You justify the deliberate taking of innocent life.


blondekosmic15
by Blonde on Feb. 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

 

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Really?  A woman's body was never made to "kill her child" ?  Let me guess...  Miscarriage and birth defects are punishments from God or something?

Typical of you not to understand the difference between an act of God and man's deliberate hand. Miscarriage is NOT murder. Abortion is a direct hand of the Dr requested by the women to burn the baby alive or to violently rip the arms, legs & head off of the baby. I don't believe anyone has said God is punishing the mother if she loses the baby thru miscarriage or the child is born with defects. Those who support abortion are punishing the baby with defects when they decide to kill the child thru abortion. Down Syndrome babies are aborted in very high #'s. So whose punishing who, Jax!?

And as for the rest - it really doesn't matter what your faith teaches you when it comes to the law.  What matters is ensuring that women have accurate information as opposed to false propoganda, like if they don't regret their decision or have medical issues, their "heart is hardened" by abortion.

Tell that to God on judgment day. Good luck! I am very thankful I'm on the side of life. You are NOT!

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting chloedee:

Did you even read the article? It mentions the Guttmacher Institute, but has nothing to do with her independent research and conclusions and the other neutral organization research mentioned.

I've been active for more than 30 yrs. I have talked to Drs who respect all life. Listen to women who experience emotional/physical health problems subsequently from abortion. My faith teaches me abortion IS murder. A woman's body was never created to kill her child. The violent procedure of abortion will undoubtedly have serious repercussions upon a woman's health & body. Sometimes the consequences come yrs later. Women who deny this reality and continue to support abortion have already been affected by abortion. Abortion hardens the heart. Blinds the individual to the true nature of abortion. What it does to society and any Nation which condones this barbarism. So yes, everyone is touched by abortion. The more babies killed, less & less respect toward human life. Your comments continually reflect this outcome. You justify the deliberate taking of innocent life.

 

 

Friday
by Platinum Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:30 PM


Quoting jaxTheMomm:

See what I"m talking about with this one?

Unless you just claim to be wracked with grief and regret, you are judged by her.

The simple fact is the overwhelming majority of women who have an abortion report a sense of relief after. 

But that doesn't compute in BK's world. 

Quoting chloedee:

Few make statements like that? How would you know? Do you think you get an accurate idea of how women feel after an abortion through the sample you meet at pro-life conferences, where women who attend after having an abortion are there because they regret it?

You don't pass judgement on them when they PM you because they regret their decision and express sadness over it? How nice of you. You don't know anything about anyone else's health and circumstances when they state they were relieved, so the fact that you feel it okay to pass judgement in these cases speaks loudly. 

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting chloedee:

You know nothing about her life, her health or the circumstances that led her to that decision, and know absolutely nothing about my beliefs, but I'm hardly surprised that idiotic assumptions and a judgemental attitude come pretty readily to you.

A person who says they uttered a sigh of relief after they killed their unborn child is very disturbing. Women abort for many reasons but FEW ever make a callous statement like this. A couple of yrs ago a young woman pmed me privately about her abortion. Not once did I criticize or condemn her. I shared several links with this woman leading her to other woman who have had an abortion. I wanted to help her find peace and friendship in the midst of her suffering & pain. I told her I would pray for her.  Several women have pmed me about this topic. I do not pass judgment upon them. Not one ever made a callous statement like this mom did. The fruits of more than 55 million abortions since 1973. Abortion hardens the human heart.


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 



Quoting chloedee:

Ah, that loving spirit shining through. I can't imagine how pro-lifers are seen negatively with comments like this one!


Killing an unborn child is "a sigh of relief"!? And you label those who respect life as negative!? Obviously good is evil to you & evil is good. How tragic!!



Quoting blondekosmic15:


 



Quoting emeraldangel2.0:



i didn't smile, but i did breathe a sigh of relief



What a selfish comment. A callous heart.....



Quoting LavenderMom23:



Alright, so name someone you know that literally smiled after an abortion?



Quoting chloedee:



Who said that every single person has a positive experience with abortion? The idea that "no one ever leaves happy" is absolutely not based in fact or any generalizable data that's been collected.



Quoting LavenderMom23:



Propaganda? So my best friend's husband and his ex are propaganda? The women in my husband's mom's side is propaganda? Try another tactic.



Quoting parentalrights1:

Wrong. Many women will have varied reactions to the abortion. Your anti choice propaganda will have you believe otherwise




Quoting LavenderMom23:

Good bc there is no choice in abortion. No one ever leaves happy and that's assuming they leave.


















 



 


 





I've been called a Sociopath by one of the CM pro-lifers, because I have no regrets. They are quite kind and caring IF you behave and feel the way they think you should.

 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

Friday
by Platinum Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 4:36 PM


Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Sigh.  The statistics exist, Jcribb.  There are numerous studies. Again and again, the data is repeatable.

Here's an article written by one scientist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/05/AR2010110507322.html

The Guttmacher Institute is a liberal bias organization. The findings are inaccurate.


Quote:

My research, based on clinic interviews in the 1990s with more than 400 women who obtained a first-trimester abortion, shows that women who terminate an unplanned pregnancy report a range of feelings, including sadness and loss as well as relief. Nonetheless, two years after their abortion, most women say they would make the same decision if they had it to do over again under the same circumstances. Because of the stigma attached to abortion in our society, however, most women feel they can't talk about their abortions - unless they repent.


Quoting jcribb16:

CM is a pretty liberal site to begin with, so of course "woman after woman right here...."  Where are some better statistics outside of CM, representing all ladies with abortions, from all walks of life, and from all different parties and religions?  That is where the truth will be shown.

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Sorry, still doesn't make it true, Blonde.

Studies show that women who are mentally healthy do not suffer any long term mental damage from abortion.  It just doesn't happen. 

Woman after woman right here on CM have stated quite clearly that they do not regret their decision to terminate, nor did they suffer any mental or physical consequences.

For that, you called at least one, what was it - callous?

THAT is why *some* women say they have problems, BK.  Because people like you make them think that if they don't claim to suffer some kind of debilitating guilt, they will be judged poorly.

That's cruel, BK.  Yeah, I said it.  You are a cruel, harmful person to make women want to claim something like this out of fear that you will judge them.  It's mean.  It's not Christlike at all.

You create problems where there are none, instead of looking at the actual problem head-on, and you hurt people in the process.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

Sigh.

Untrue propoganda from anti-choice websites does not a fact make.  Who you trying to convince?  Me?  Sorry.  Not going to work.

I care too much about women, their lives, and their families to read that hot mess of lies. 

How many women have you helped who suffer from their abortion!? It's much easier to live in your world of denial, Jax. You continually support abortion for any reason but refuse to take responsibility for your choices. I have been a prolife advocate for more than 30 yrs. I have listed several times the numerous ways my husband & I reach out to both women & their children in these situations.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 


 






 

I've seen you use Guttmacher as a source. Are they only right and credible when you agree with them?

 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

autodidact
by Bronze Member on Feb. 4, 2013 at 5:28 PM


a zygote is not a child, nor is a fetus

Quoting MrsBridges19:

And your anti-life propaganda would have you believe that you're not killing innocent children.

Quoting parentalrights1:

Wrong. Many women will have varied reactions to the abortion. Your anti choice propaganda will have you believe otherwise


Quoting LavenderMom23:

Good bc there is no choice in abortion. No one ever leaves happy and that's assuming they leave.







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