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Homeowner Holds Burglar at Gunpoint, What would have happened if gun ban passes?

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Homeowner Holds Burglar at Gunpoint, What would have happened if gun ban passes?

 FEBRUARY 1, 2013

Credit to WSAZ News:


HUNTINGTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) — A gun toting homeowner took matters into his own hands when he found an alleged burglar in his house.

The incident happened at home in 1000 block of 23rd Street in Huntington late Tuesday night.

Huntington Police say they arrived at the house to find the homeowner holding John Allen Bryan, 37, of Huntington at gunpoint.

According to the criminal complaint, the man came home to find the front door wide open, the back door kicked open, and Bryan going through his belongings inside the house.

The complaint says Allen was piling electronics and other valuables on a blanket by the front door and in a trash can by the back door. Police also said that Allen had a necklace and two rings belonging to homeowner in the front pocket of his jeans.

Bryan was arrested at the scene and charged with burglary.

The question isn’t what happened, the question is, what would have happened if the gun ban passes?

This man would have arrived home to a burglar, would have had no gun to defend his house, and would have been at the mercy of the criminal. Because this gun ban doesn’t take guns from criminals, it takes them from law abiding citizens!

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by on Feb. 1, 2013 at 11:29 PM
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sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM
Boehner said he will make it a national priority to "help make abortion a relic of the past."
"Let that be one of our most fundamental goals this year," he said.


Quoting motherslove82:

Did you read all of Boehner's comments? He says that we should do what we can to protect the sanctity of life. He also talked about going through Congress and about doing what the majority wants (which, according to liberals, is the right to abortion). He did not say that he would go around Congress if they didn't do what he wants. Context works in both directions. He was also talking to a pro-life advocacy group about goals that they could set and things they could do to achieve those goals. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

You may wish to provide the context of his statement in 93 and to which guns it was referring ...because it wasn't all guns as you are pretending



Quoting motherslove82:

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."


Joseph Biden

quoted by AP

U.S. Senator

1993-11-18

He's pretty high up, too, but there is no actual proposal yet, so neither of us should worry. Right?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

John Boehner the too ranked republican stated his mission is to outlaw abortion in the US











Quoting motherslove82:

There isn't a birth control ban or an abortion ban being proposed either, but that doesn't stop liberals from freaking out about the "slippery slope" of every single law that may in some way keep a woman from being able to get an abortion. This is a slippery slope, too. It just depends on what you are passionate about.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Conservatives show themselves to be ridiculously stupid and or liars daily







There isn't a ban being talked about for all guns







The man in the OP probably used a gun that is and still will be legal...unless you can show me otherwise







Now, severe restrictions are in place for machine guns- do you have a problem with that?







Were your rights fringed upon by those restrictions?







Nope




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sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 2, 2013 at 12:20 PM
I'm guessing la la land

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

What country do you live in, OP? 

I live in the USA, and there is no proposed ban on guns.

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motherslove82
by Bronze Member on Feb. 2, 2013 at 12:28 PM
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And Biden said "Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.", but in that case, you are concerned with context and what he really meant and who he was talking to. Boehner does not have the ability to single-handedly pass a law. He has to have the approval of Congress and probably the supreme court, but Biden potentially could (if he became president through succession) and Obama already can. The fact that Biden has already stated that the president will bypass Congress if he has to bothers me. That should not be his attitude. All it does is lead to paranoia and more division. We both know that Boehner isn't going to get the Congressional support needed to ban abortions. Just like I know a total gun ban will never happen, but it doesn't stop people from being concerned when steps are taken or comments are made that could lead in that direction.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Boehner said he will make it a national priority to "help make abortion a relic of the past."
"Let that be one of our most fundamental goals this year," he said.


Quoting motherslove82:

Did you read all of Boehner's comments? He says that we should do what we can to protect the sanctity of life. He also talked about going through Congress and about doing what the majority wants (which, according to liberals, is the right to abortion). He did not say that he would go around Congress if they didn't do what he wants. Context works in both directions. He was also talking to a pro-life advocacy group about goals that they could set and things they could do to achieve those goals. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

You may wish to provide the context of his statement in 93 and to which guns it was referring ...because it wasn't all guns as you are pretending



Quoting motherslove82:

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."


Joseph Biden

quoted by AP

U.S. Senator

1993-11-18

He's pretty high up, too, but there is no actual proposal yet, so neither of us should worry. Right?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

John Boehner the too ranked republican stated his mission is to outlaw abortion in the US











Quoting motherslove82:

There isn't a birth control ban or an abortion ban being proposed either, but that doesn't stop liberals from freaking out about the "slippery slope" of every single law that may in some way keep a woman from being able to get an abortion. This is a slippery slope, too. It just depends on what you are passionate about.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Conservatives show themselves to be ridiculously stupid and or liars daily







There isn't a ban being talked about for all guns







The man in the OP probably used a gun that is and still will be legal...unless you can show me otherwise







Now, severe restrictions are in place for machine guns- do you have a problem with that?







Were your rights fringed upon by those restrictions?







Nope





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sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 2, 2013 at 12:31 PM
Again, Biden doesn't want all guns banned

Quoting motherslove82:

And Biden said "Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.", but in that case, you are concerned with context and what he really meant and who he was talking to. Boehner does not have the ability to single-handedly pass a law. He has to have the approval of Congress and probably the supreme court, but Biden potentially could (if he became president through succession) and Obama already can. The fact that Biden has already stated that the president will bypass Congress if he has to bothers me. That should not be his attitude. All it does is lead to paranoia and more division. We both know that Boehner isn't going to get the Congressional support needed to ban abortions. Just like I know a total gun ban will never happen, but it doesn't stop people from being concerned when steps are taken or comments are made that could lead in that direction.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Boehner said he will make it a national priority to "help make abortion a relic of the past."

"Let that be one of our most fundamental goals this year," he said.




Quoting motherslove82:

Did you read all of Boehner's comments? He says that we should do what we can to protect the sanctity of life. He also talked about going through Congress and about doing what the majority wants (which, according to liberals, is the right to abortion). He did not say that he would go around Congress if they didn't do what he wants. Context works in both directions. He was also talking to a pro-life advocacy group about goals that they could set and things they could do to achieve those goals. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

You may wish to provide the context of his statement in 93 and to which guns it was referring ...because it wasn't all guns as you are pretending





Quoting motherslove82:

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."


Joseph Biden

quoted by AP

U.S. Senator

1993-11-18

He's pretty high up, too, but there is no actual proposal yet, so neither of us should worry. Right?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

John Boehner the too ranked republican stated his mission is to outlaw abortion in the US















Quoting motherslove82:

There isn't a birth control ban or an abortion ban being proposed either, but that doesn't stop liberals from freaking out about the "slippery slope" of every single law that may in some way keep a woman from being able to get an abortion. This is a slippery slope, too. It just depends on what you are passionate about.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Conservatives show themselves to be ridiculously stupid and or liars daily









There isn't a ban being talked about for all guns









The man in the OP probably used a gun that is and still will be legal...unless you can show me otherwise









Now, severe restrictions are in place for machine guns- do you have a problem with that?









Were your rights fringed upon by those restrictions?









Nope





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Kmary
by Bronze Member on Feb. 2, 2013 at 12:37 PM
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1.  Please provide evidence of any legislation that would remove all guns from homes.

2.  That criminal, like the VAST majority of home invaders, was not armed.  So to answer the "what would have happened" question, the answer is probably....nothing.   The invader would have most likely fled and it possibly would've taken slightly longer to catch him.  That's about the worst of it.

*I'm not particularly in favor of most gun control laws because I think they are ineffective, but passing along this sort of nonsense propaganda as "proof" of anything isn't helping anybody's argument. 

motherslove82
by Bronze Member on Feb. 2, 2013 at 12:47 PM
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You've spoken to him? You are close enough to him that you know his real thoughts and feelings, things he wouldn't tell he media? You have no idea what he wants. So tell me, what context does a person say "Banning guns is an idea whose time has come." that doesn't mean he wants guns banned? 

How about this quote 

"If I could have banned them all - 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns' - I would have!"

- Diane Feinstein

What is the context that shows that she doesn't want all guns banned. And she's the one who is proposing the assault weapons ban.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Again, Biden doesn't want all guns banned

Quoting motherslove82:

And Biden said "Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.", but in that case, you are concerned with context and what he really meant and who he was talking to. Boehner does not have the ability to single-handedly pass a law. He has to have the approval of Congress and probably the supreme court, but Biden potentially could (if he became president through succession) and Obama already can. The fact that Biden has already stated that the president will bypass Congress if he has to bothers me. That should not be his attitude. All it does is lead to paranoia and more division. We both know that Boehner isn't going to get the Congressional support needed to ban abortions. Just like I know a total gun ban will never happen, but it doesn't stop people from being concerned when steps are taken or comments are made that could lead in that direction.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Boehner said he will make it a national priority to "help make abortion a relic of the past."

"Let that be one of our most fundamental goals this year," he said.




Quoting motherslove82:

Did you read all of Boehner's comments? He says that we should do what we can to protect the sanctity of life. He also talked about going through Congress and about doing what the majority wants (which, according to liberals, is the right to abortion). He did not say that he would go around Congress if they didn't do what he wants. Context works in both directions. He was also talking to a pro-life advocacy group about goals that they could set and things they could do to achieve those goals. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

You may wish to provide the context of his statement in 93 and to which guns it was referring ...because it wasn't all guns as you are pretending





Quoting motherslove82:

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."


Joseph Biden

quoted by AP

U.S. Senator

1993-11-18

He's pretty high up, too, but there is no actual proposal yet, so neither of us should worry. Right?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

John Boehner the too ranked republican stated his mission is to outlaw abortion in the US















Quoting motherslove82:

There isn't a birth control ban or an abortion ban being proposed either, but that doesn't stop liberals from freaking out about the "slippery slope" of every single law that may in some way keep a woman from being able to get an abortion. This is a slippery slope, too. It just depends on what you are passionate about.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Conservatives show themselves to be ridiculously stupid and or liars daily









There isn't a ban being talked about for all guns









The man in the OP probably used a gun that is and still will be legal...unless you can show me otherwise









Now, severe restrictions are in place for machine guns- do you have a problem with that?









Were your rights fringed upon by those restrictions?









Nope






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sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 2, 2013 at 12:50 PM
Post his entire comment

Context is key


Quoting motherslove82:

You've spoken to him? You are close enough to him that you know his real thoughts and feelings, things he wouldn't tell he media? You have no idea what he wants. So tell me, what context does a person say "Banning guns is an idea whose time has come." that doesn't mean he wants guns banned? 

How about this quote 

"If I could have banned them all - 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns' - I would have!"

- Diane Feinstein

What is the context that shows that she doesn't want all guns banned. And she's the one who is proposing the assault weapons ban.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Again, Biden doesn't want all guns banned



Quoting motherslove82:

And Biden said "Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.", but in that case, you are concerned with context and what he really meant and who he was talking to. Boehner does not have the ability to single-handedly pass a law. He has to have the approval of Congress and probably the supreme court, but Biden potentially could (if he became president through succession) and Obama already can. The fact that Biden has already stated that the president will bypass Congress if he has to bothers me. That should not be his attitude. All it does is lead to paranoia and more division. We both know that Boehner isn't going to get the Congressional support needed to ban abortions. Just like I know a total gun ban will never happen, but it doesn't stop people from being concerned when steps are taken or comments are made that could lead in that direction.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Boehner said he will make it a national priority to "help make abortion a relic of the past."


"Let that be one of our most fundamental goals this year," he said.






Quoting motherslove82:

Did you read all of Boehner's comments? He says that we should do what we can to protect the sanctity of life. He also talked about going through Congress and about doing what the majority wants (which, according to liberals, is the right to abortion). He did not say that he would go around Congress if they didn't do what he wants. Context works in both directions. He was also talking to a pro-life advocacy group about goals that they could set and things they could do to achieve those goals. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

You may wish to provide the context of his statement in 93 and to which guns it was referring ...because it wasn't all guns as you are pretending







Quoting motherslove82:

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."


Joseph Biden

quoted by AP

U.S. Senator

1993-11-18

He's pretty high up, too, but there is no actual proposal yet, so neither of us should worry. Right?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

John Boehner the too ranked republican stated his mission is to outlaw abortion in the US



















Quoting motherslove82:

There isn't a birth control ban or an abortion ban being proposed either, but that doesn't stop liberals from freaking out about the "slippery slope" of every single law that may in some way keep a woman from being able to get an abortion. This is a slippery slope, too. It just depends on what you are passionate about.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Conservatives show themselves to be ridiculously stupid and or liars daily











There isn't a ban being talked about for all guns











The man in the OP probably used a gun that is and still will be legal...unless you can show me otherwise











Now, severe restrictions are in place for machine guns- do you have a problem with that?











Were your rights fringed upon by those restrictions?











Nope






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motherslove82
by Bronze Member on Feb. 2, 2013 at 1:17 PM
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I can't find the entire speech, but I will keep looking. I still would love to hear a possible context for that statement where it does not mean exactly what it says. It's a pretty clear comment. If he only meant some guns, or guns sold to criminals, why would he just say "guns" as though there is no difference? And what about the quote from Feinstein? She is also a senator of the United States. Either way, your statements that "There isn't a gun ban being talked about", or previous statements that no one wants to ban all guns are false.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Post his entire comment

Context is key


Quoting motherslove82:

You've spoken to him? You are close enough to him that you know his real thoughts and feelings, things he wouldn't tell he media? You have no idea what he wants. So tell me, what context does a person say "Banning guns is an idea whose time has come." that doesn't mean he wants guns banned? 

How about this quote 

"If I could have banned them all - 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns' - I would have!"

- Diane Feinstein

What is the context that shows that she doesn't want all guns banned. And she's the one who is proposing the assault weapons ban.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Again, Biden doesn't want all guns banned



Quoting motherslove82:

And Biden said "Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.", but in that case, you are concerned with context and what he really meant and who he was talking to. Boehner does not have the ability to single-handedly pass a law. He has to have the approval of Congress and probably the supreme court, but Biden potentially could (if he became president through succession) and Obama already can. The fact that Biden has already stated that the president will bypass Congress if he has to bothers me. That should not be his attitude. All it does is lead to paranoia and more division. We both know that Boehner isn't going to get the Congressional support needed to ban abortions. Just like I know a total gun ban will never happen, but it doesn't stop people from being concerned when steps are taken or comments are made that could lead in that direction.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Boehner said he will make it a national priority to "help make abortion a relic of the past."


"Let that be one of our most fundamental goals this year," he said.






Quoting motherslove82:

Did you read all of Boehner's comments? He says that we should do what we can to protect the sanctity of life. He also talked about going through Congress and about doing what the majority wants (which, according to liberals, is the right to abortion). He did not say that he would go around Congress if they didn't do what he wants. Context works in both directions. He was also talking to a pro-life advocacy group about goals that they could set and things they could do to achieve those goals. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

You may wish to provide the context of his statement in 93 and to which guns it was referring ...because it wasn't all guns as you are pretending







Quoting motherslove82:

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."


Joseph Biden

quoted by AP

U.S. Senator

1993-11-18

He's pretty high up, too, but there is no actual proposal yet, so neither of us should worry. Right?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

John Boehner the too ranked republican stated his mission is to outlaw abortion in the US



















Quoting motherslove82:

There isn't a birth control ban or an abortion ban being proposed either, but that doesn't stop liberals from freaking out about the "slippery slope" of every single law that may in some way keep a woman from being able to get an abortion. This is a slippery slope, too. It just depends on what you are passionate about.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Conservatives show themselves to be ridiculously stupid and or liars daily











There isn't a ban being talked about for all guns











The man in the OP probably used a gun that is and still will be legal...unless you can show me otherwise











Now, severe restrictions are in place for machine guns- do you have a problem with that?











Were your rights fringed upon by those restrictions?











Nope







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sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 2, 2013 at 1:32 PM

You can't find it sure..where did you find THAT portion of it?

look up what was being debated in 1993...it was about assault weapons...

Quoting motherslove82:

I can't find the entire speech, but I will keep looking. I still would love to hear a possible context for that statement where it does not mean exactly what it says. It's a pretty clear comment. If he only meant some guns, or guns sold to criminals, why would he just say "guns" as though there is no difference. And what about the quote from Feinstein? She is also a senator of the United States. Either way, your statements that "There isn't a gun ban being talked about", or previous statements that no one wants to ban all guns are false.



motherslove82
by Bronze Member on Feb. 2, 2013 at 1:40 PM
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Believe what you want, but I couldn't find it. The quote itself is all over the internet and that's were I found it, but not the whole speech. I know what was being debated then, just like it is being debated now. Just because assault weapons are the topic doesn't mean that someone couldn't make a statement that all guns should be banned. They are doing it now. You have latched onto a context that even you don't know, but have ignored every other point that has been made. How about a response to the other points?

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

You can't find it sure..where did you find THAT portion of it?

look up what was being debated in 1993...it was about assault weapons...

Quoting motherslove82:

I can't find the entire speech, but I will keep looking. I still would love to hear a possible context for that statement where it does not mean exactly what it says. It's a pretty clear comment. If he only meant some guns, or guns sold to criminals, why would he just say "guns" as though there is no difference. And what about the quote from Feinstein? She is also a senator of the United States. Either way, your statements that "There isn't a gun ban being talked about", or previous statements that no one wants to ban all guns are false.




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