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What means would you use to enforce communism?

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Since communism goes against human nature, how would you (those of you who think communism is so wonderful) go about enforcing compliance?  Just curious.

by on Feb. 3, 2013 at 2:14 PM
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SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 11:53 PM



Quoting Carpy:

you rock

Quoting SallyMJ:

We all know what current far leftist sociologists say - that it never actually developed into the form of communism Lenin called "true communism". But let's admit what it ACTUALLY was - and has for every government that has tried it. The Leninist form of Communism that held that control by the State was a necessary first step in order to transition to "true communism". Only it never transformed into that imaginary utopia. It stays in the repressive, State-run, form. So I suppose you could sort of call it "Second to last step Communism".

But the one and only allowed and state-sponsored political party was called what? The COMMUNIST Party.  Not the "Trying to be Communist Party, but really not" Party. Not the "Socialist or any other form of leftist party, but we'll be damned if we call it Communist" Party. Same as in Communist China. (aka "The People's Republic of China").  Funny how "People's Republics" turn out to be that same brand of Communism. 

So what the people in those countries - and even the leaders - call it? They called it Communism. I think we should properly judge it by what the people living under those governments - and their non-elected leaders - called it it for 70 years - and still call it in retrospect. 

And the government called itself Communism. And the people who suffered under it called it Communism. And anyone who has ever been there from the Russian Revolution to before the Wall fell, called it Communism. Even news reporter William Duranty, who falsely claimed there was no famine that killed 6 million Ukrainians - the same number as Jews killed in the Holocaust - called it Communism.

And Kruschev, who banged his shoe on the table in the UN and said, "We will bury you" called it Communism. And Fidel Castro called his government Communist.

If it walks like a duck...

And the Communist Party in America called it Communism, and wanted it in America too.

And American political and leaders, and the American people, always called it Communism for more than 70 years. Up until the "wise" and "intelligent" leftist academic elite - who had never lived under it - said it was not Communism, but some other ideology.

Quoting Clairwil:

Quoting SallyMJ:

Probably like all the other communist governments do - by repression and totalitarianism.

No one who has ever experienced communism, and then freedom and free markets, would ever go back.

It is so ridiculous - it doesn't work - why do some people in this country want to go there? I think they have a rosy view of it - if they talked with someone who was there - like the Poles I've spoken to - they were the first ones to go back to capitalism, and they would NEVER return to communism. 

But, according to the defintion of "communism" agreed by the OP, they never experienced pure communism.

What they experienced were various (ham handed) attempts to force a society towards communism before the people and technology were ready for it.  Attempts that were soon subverted by other factors (eg personal lust for power on the behalf of the leaders).






jcribb16
by Primrose Foxglove on Feb. 5, 2013 at 11:56 PM
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I cannot believe Obama is allowed to continue to delete America's nuclear arsenal in the first place.  He knows what he's doing, and he knows most citizens know what he's doing, yet the other branches are not holding him accountable - just letting him continue to do these types of things.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

 

Quoting jcribb16:

Wow!  God prevented that from happening...

I have read this before several yrs ago but I forgot about it. And Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust. He's hoping Obama will continue to delete America's nuclear arsenal so he can easily destroy Israel & kill the Jews. He wants the credit, not Hitler as history holds him responsible for the Jewish Holocaust.

Quoting blondekosmic15:

Oh my!

As the U.S. pondered the Soviet monolith, Josef Stalin died. There is evidence in the Soviet archives indicating Stalin planned a second holocaust for Jews in an attempt to launch World War III and win the Cold War. Fortunately, Stalin died before this could occur. Nikita Khrushchev emerged from a power struggle the last man standing and assumed control. Three years later, the new Soviet leader disclosed the full import of Stalin’s crimes against humanity signally a potential thaw in the Cold War.

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-cold-war-eisenhower-khrushchev-and-kennedy-1953-1963


 


Meadowchik
by Gold Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 8:14 AM
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Pure communism is impossible to enforce. It must be voluntary.  In fact, communism does exist today, and many old-fashioned Americans practice it to an extent by sharing with others and helping those in need.  My DH and I have a communistic relationship, we each put into the pot in our own ways, and share the results equally.

;)

GrannyM.
by Bronze Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 9:10 AM
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"Communism is a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian government dominated by ONE political party (the communist party of China, for instance).
It's mostly intended to make sure all people are equal, no matter what their job or position is. Everyone has the same opportunities, etc.
It is a GOOD idea, however, that's all it is 'an idea'. There is no way a government can run where all are equal because at some point someone wants to be in charge and above everyone else. It is a self-defeating system."

Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Feb. 6, 2013 at 12:39 PM
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I would dismantle key industruies such as transporatation and health care.

I would demonize my enemies in the media.

I would pretend to be tough on my enemies while simultaneously funding and arming them.

I would increase the usage of unmanned drones while simultaneously breaking down the military.

I would use same drones to kill my enemies, no matter the nationality to set legal precendent.

I would fly drones over my country to enforce my policies.

Wait..............................

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