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Ron Paul's puzzling critique of murdered SEAL Chris Kyle

Posted by on Feb. 5, 2013 at 9:49 AM
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Ron Paul's puzzling critique of murdered SEAL Chris Kyle

By Peter Weber | The Week - 7 hrs ago

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When news started spreading that Chris Kyle, a former SEAL and author of the best-selling autobiography American Sniper, was shot dead with a friend over the weekend - allegedly at the hands of a PTSD-suffering former Marine he was trying to help by taking him shooting at a hunting range - conservatives were incensed over the callous tweets of "some on the anti-gun Left." And then this happened:

 

Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

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- Ron Paul (@RonPaul) February 4, 2013

And just like that, the three-time Republican presidential candidate's tenuous coalition of pro-gun libertarians, anti-Federal Reserve goldbugs, and foreign policy non-interventionists crumbled. Paul is an opponent of gun control - saying after December's Newtown, Conn., grade school massacre that "more guns equals less crime" and that "private gun ownership prevents many shootings" - but also of U.S. military adventurism. Kyle, also an outspoken gun-rights advocate, earned a reputation in Iraq as one of the deadliest snipers in U.S. military history. With Twitter erupting in outrage over his comment, Paul took to Facebook to explain himself:

 

As a veteran, I certainly recognize that this weekend's violence and killing of Chris Kyle were a tragic and sad event. My condolences and prayers go out to Mr. Kyle's family. Unconstitutional and unnecessary wars have endless unintended consequences. A policy of non-violence, as Christ preached, would have prevented this and similar tragedies. -REP

That not-quite-apology didn't quell the anger or the virtual yelling. "You really are vile," tweeted GOP strategist Rick Wilson; Commentary's John Podhoretz said Paul's tweet was "appalling." The newly liberated Paul "is more callous than ever, with an extra helping of sanctimony and a healthy dollop of anti-military sentiment," say the editors of Michelle Malkin's Twitchy. Not content with just "dancing on the grave of a military hero," Paul poured fuel on the fire by invoking Jesus to justify his "ghoulish" views. Even Paul's son, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) - rumored to have presidential ambitions himself - rushed out a statement to Breitbart.com: "Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country. Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time."

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Et tu, Rand? says Ryan W. McMaken at Lew Rockwell's LRC Blog. Yes, "every American soldier is a hero, just like the Bronze-Star-winning Timothy McVeigh and the Marine Lee Harvey Oswald." But Rand isn't the only "sycophantic" conservative throwing Ron Paul under the bus for "truth-telling about the tragic outcomes that are sure to come from time spent in a military where rape, suicide, domestic abuse and general killing are widespread."

 

Who can be surprised that conservatives... have been falling all over themselves to condemn Ron Paul for quoting Jesus - in correct context, by the way - to note that the violence wrought by over a decade of nonstop war in America leads to tragedy on the home front?... The most transparent were the conservatives who claimed to be former supporters of Paul who must now go support some more "patriotic" politician: One who doesn't actually question anything the military does.... This is what it comes down to for most conservatives, of course. All that stuff about laissez faire and freedom and free markets has never been more than an act and an affectation.... Among conservatives, Ron Paul has only ever had minority support, for in the end, conservatives love government, as exhibited by their latest outrage. They just love it in a slightly different way from the left liberals. [Lew Rockwell]

Well, for better of for worse, this is the genuine Ron Paul, says BuzzFeed's Rosie Gray. Paul has started sending off his own tweets "since he left office," according to a spokeswoman, so "get used to off-the-cuff Twitter activity from the former presidential candidate." Paul's "remarkably offensive 140 character eulogy" is certainly a good reminder why politicians are "protected from scrutiny by both aides trained in press relations and friendly journalistic outlets," says Noah Rothman at Mediaite.

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Paul has long opposed American military action... but the former veteran has begun to conflate the missions that he opposes with the men and women who carry those missions out. The sentiment Paul broadcast in this tweet betrays a contempt for Kyle that is, at best, ill-timed.... Paul would be smart to apologize for this insensitive remark, but his political opponents should be thankful for the clarity this unguarded moment has provided the general public. Though the 2012 campaign is long over, Paul's most stalwart supporters continue to insist that the Texas libertarian is the only politician who has the best interests of the troops at heart. This tweet would suggest otherwise. [Mediaite]

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sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:45 AM
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Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

Ron Paul fans...
rocketracer
by Gold Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Freedom of Speech

sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:51 AM

 Who said anything about not having it?

no one...care to address the content?

I know you republican types like to deflect by screaming about your rights as if someone said they shouldn't be there....

but let's pretend we are all adults here and discuss the CONTENT...and know your RIGHTS are not in jeopardy, ok?

Quoting rocketracer:

Freedom of Speech

 

rocketracer
by Gold Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM

I don't care about his content on this matter.

Never said freedom of speech was in jeopardy.  Merely, RP is using his freedom of speech. 

  "you republican types".....nice with labels, but freedom of speech.... 


Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 Who said anything about not having it?

no one...care to address the content?

I know you republican types like to deflect by screaming about your rights as if someone said they shouldn't be there....

but let's pretend we are all adults here and discuss the CONTENT...and know your RIGHTS are not in jeopardy, ok?

Quoting rocketracer:

Freedom of Speech

 


 

bluerooffarm
by Silver Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 10:58 AM

 Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense.

Mommy_of_Riley
by Just Jess on Feb. 5, 2013 at 11:03 AM
I like Ron Paul... Doesn't mean I have to agree 100% with everything he says.

Many people have made the "live by the sword... Comment".

As for PTSD, its been proven that SOME people respond better to treatment at ranges or while playing video games.
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Mommy_of_Riley
by Just Jess on Feb. 5, 2013 at 11:04 AM
Are you a professional qualified to make that statement?

Because therapists and doctors disagree with you.


Quoting bluerooffarm:

 Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense.

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sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 11:06 AM

 I do not agree with the mentally ill having guns

Specifically a soldier with PTSD who may get agitated around the sound of guns being fired

Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

Are you a professional qualified to make that statement?

Because therapists and doctors disagree with you.


Quoting bluerooffarm:

 Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense.

 

bluerooffarm
by Silver Member on Feb. 5, 2013 at 11:06 AM

 Did I say I was a therapist?  It doesn't make sense.  There are a lot of things therapists do or condone that don't make sense. 

Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

Are you a professional qualified to make that statement?

Because therapists and doctors disagree with you.


Quoting bluerooffarm:

 Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense.

 

Mommy_of_Riley
by Just Jess on Feb. 5, 2013 at 11:08 AM
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Those with PTSD are not mentally ill.

And not everyone that has PTSD has issues with gunfire.


Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 I do not agree with the mentally ill having guns


Specifically a soldier with PTSD who may get agitated around the sound of guns being fired


Quoting Mommy_of_Riley:

Are you a professional qualified to make that statement?

Because therapists and doctors disagree with you.



Quoting bluerooffarm:


 Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense.


 

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