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America in 1900

Posted by on Feb. 13, 2013 at 3:52 AM
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From someone's .sig


Life expectancy in 1900 was 46 years old for men and 48 for women

There were free elementary schools, in urban centres, but even then more than 30% of the population didn't get any schooling at all.  Only 2% graduated university.

Deaths in the workplace were common from poisonous chemicals, dust from mining and infected cuts in slaughter houses.  Employers were effectively not suable and had little incentive to provide health and safety protections when they could just hire replacement workers.


Would you like to elliminate everything currently paid for by income tax, and have the state provide only what it could raise via other means of taxation and levy?

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Carpy
by Platinum Member on Feb. 13, 2013 at 5:26 AM
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I don't think you are going to find many people who believe there should be NO tax. Maybe you don't get the concept of wasteful government spending and government over reach of power.  But some of us do.

grandmab125
by Platinum Member on Feb. 13, 2013 at 5:35 AM
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 Where do you get your trumped up so called statistics?  You honestly don't know anything about our country, yet you try to come off sounding like an authority.  In the 1900's we had 17,072M kids in school, see http://www.censusgov/statab/H-20pdFNoHS-20...Education Summary Enrollment, 1900-2000.

Your own country, however, was a sad state of affairs.  From http://www.educationengland.org.uk/history.

1902 Education Act (The Balfour Act)

Across Europe and the USA systems of publicly financed elementary schools had been rapidly developed in the second half of 19th century, providing educated personnel for the new industries. Now, at the turn of the century, the USA was beginning to open common secondary high schools as well, and many European schools were giving priority to engineering and science, subjects 'conspicuously downgraded in England's classical model of education, the one preferred by gentlemen' (Benn and Chitty 1996:4).

So the development of a national public system of education in England and Wales was lagging behind much of Europe and the USA 'by a good half a century' (Green 1990:6 quoted in Benn and Chitty 1996:4), and it was against this background that the newly-elected Conservative government of Arthur Balfour presented its 1902 education bill to the Commons.

Then you had your own work houses and abused children, the workers had no rights, etc during your own industrial revolution, before your people unionized and forced changes too.

So get off your high horse.  Your just one little country across the big pond. 

 

 

 

grandmab125
by Platinum Member on Feb. 13, 2013 at 5:37 AM

 She really doesn't understand anything about the US.  She just thinks she does.  She thinks she's an expert on us.

Quoting Carpy:

I don't think you are going to find many people who believe there should be NO tax. Maybe you don't get the concept of wasteful government spending and government over reach of power.  But some of us do.

 

grandma B

Carpy
by Platinum Member on Feb. 13, 2013 at 5:52 AM

I've noticed that.

Quoting grandmab125:

 She really doesn't understand anything about the US.  She just thinks she does.  She thinks she's an expert on us.

Quoting Carpy:

I don't think you are going to find many people who believe there should be NO tax. Maybe you don't get the concept of wasteful government spending and government over reach of power.  But some of us do.

 


Clairwil
by Gold Member on Feb. 13, 2013 at 6:12 AM
Quoting grandmab125:

 Where do you get your trumped up so called statistics?

On the percentage of children going to school?   Wikipedia.


Government supported, free public schools for all started being established after the revolution, and expanded in the 19th century, as the results of efforts of men like Horace Mann and Booker T. Washington. By 1870, all states had free elementary schools,[6] albeit only in urban centers. As the 20th century drew nearer, states started passing laws to make schooling compulsory, and by 1910, 72 percent of children attended school. Private schools continued to spread during this time, as well as colleges and—in the rural centers—land grant colleges. The year of 1910 also saw the first true high schools.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States


which cites as its source:

Paul Monroe, A cyclopedia of education (4 vol. 1911)

Clairwil
by Gold Member on Feb. 13, 2013 at 6:16 AM
Quoting grandmab125:

 Your own country, however, was a sad state of affairs.

Then you had your own work houses and abused children, the workers had no rights, etc during your own industrial revolution, before your people unionized and forced changes too.

I was comparing America today with the America of 1900, not the America of 1900 with the Britain of 1900.

The point is that the .sig I quoted gave a misleadingly rosy picture of what things were like 100 years ago.

sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 13, 2013 at 6:34 AM

I have had the argument with many conservatives here about education being better BEFORE the government got involved....They are CLUELESS...many would LOVE to go back to this.

Until it actually happens then they will be crying because they would ALSO be screwed


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There were free elementary schools, in urban centres, but even then more than 30% of the population didn't get any schooling at all.  Only 2% graduated university.

Deaths in the workplace were common from poisonous chemicals, dust from mining and infected cuts in slaughter houses.  Employers were effectively not suable and had little incentive to provide health and safety protections when they could just hire replacement workers.


sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 13, 2013 at 6:35 AM

she is referring to the image in the OP which was used by a conservative in this group

Quoting Carpy:

I don't think you are going to find many people who believe there should be NO tax. Maybe you don't get the concept of wasteful government spending and government over reach of power.  But some of us do.


grandmab125
by Platinum Member on Feb. 13, 2013 at 6:39 AM
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 You're missing the point, on purpose, I think.  Before the income tax was established, the gov't had various other "special" taxes or short term revenue acts.  We managed to run the country without an income tax until 1913. It was progressive Woodrow Wilson who pushed through the 13th amendment creating the income tax, along with the Federal Reserve, which has become a nightmare for this country's financial system.

grandmab125
by Platinum Member on Feb. 13, 2013 at 6:43 AM
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 Nobody wants to back to 1900 for God's sake.  But since the gov't take over of education in the mid to late 60's, our kids test scores on the SAT's and CAT's have continued to drop.  We have kids getting high school diplomas who can't even read or add two and two and get four.

Some people on here are prime examples.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 

I have had the argument with many conservatives here about education being better BEFORE the government got involved....They are CLUELESS...many would LOVE to go back to this.

Until it actually happens then they will be crying because they would ALSO be screwed

 

Quote:

There were free elementary schools, in urban centres, but even then more than 30% of the population didn't get any schooling at all.  Only 2% graduated university.

Deaths in the workplace were common from poisonous chemicals, dust from mining and infected cuts in slaughter houses.  Employers were effectively not suable and had little incentive to provide health and safety protections when they could just hire replacement workers.


 

 

grandma B

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