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GOP congressman- Lyndon Johnson is probably in Hell over Viet Nam and making room for Dick Cheneu

Posted by on Feb. 25, 2013 at 5:11 PM
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Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.), an outspoken critic of the war in Afghanistan, said at a conference Saturday that former Vice President Dick Cheney would probably end up in hell for the Iraq War.
"Congress will not hold anyone to blame. Lyndon Johnson's probably rotting in hell right now because of the Vietnam War, and he probably needs to move over for Dick Cheney," Jones said at a Young Americans for Liberty conference in Raleigh, N.C. The group is a spinoff from former Rep. Ron Paul's (R-Texas) 2008 presidential campaign.
During his keynote address to the group, he praised Paul. "I want to give credit to the man who helped me understand if you're ever going to send young men and women to die, it needs to be with the Constitution and debated by the Congress," he said.
Elsewhere in his speech, he called the drone policy "absolutely unconstitutional," eliciting applause from the crowd.
"When that drone comes to America from a foreign country, we're going to wonder what in the hell hit us. It was a drone," he said.
Jones voted for the Iraq War and circulated a letter in 2003 to change the name of french fries to "freedom fries" in the House cafeterias. He has since regretted it and become a staunch opponent of the war.
"I knew that those who do not fight like myself, it's easy to be macho man, and declare war, get that son of a bitch ... I am so fed up with people who do not understand the pain of war," he said Saturday.
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soonergirl980
by Member on Feb. 25, 2013 at 5:20 PM

What a moron

sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 25, 2013 at 5:50 PM
*Cheney
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nanaofsix531
by Platinum Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 12:27 PM
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The whole bush jr. administration should have been brought up on charges for crimes against humanity.What the hell is wrong with our Justice Department???? 

sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 12:59 PM

 2 things:

1) political connections

2) The people don't care. When Iran Contra was going on, The people just didn't care and they didn't want a sitting President to be charged...even though they had enough to go after more than just Oliver North.

 

Quoting nanaofsix531:

The whole bush jr. administration should have been brought up on charges for crimes against humanity.What the hell is wrong with our Justice Department???? 

 

nanaofsix531
by Platinum Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 2:09 PM
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I watched everyday of the Senate and House hearing on that.All I can say is WOW!

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 2 things:

1) political connections

2) The people don't care. When Iran Contra was going on, The people just didn't care and they didn't want a sitting President to be charged...even though they had enough to go after more than just Oliver North.

 

Quoting nanaofsix531:

The whole bush jr. administration should have been brought up on charges for crimes against humanity.What the hell is wrong with our Justice Department???? 

 


steviechick
by Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 3:38 PM
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The day Cheney is brought up on 'charges' is when Obama is brought up for Fast & Furious. 

Crimes against humanity - Drones - Anyone heard of those?  Drones are what Obama has used to murder innocent civilians in cold blood - while, of course, killing 'known' American terrorists without a jury trial. 

Hypocracy anyone?

sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 4:07 PM

 

Quoting steviechick:

The day Cheney is brought up on 'charges' is when Obama is brought up for Fast & Furious. 

BOth Holder and Obama were cleared in Fast and Furious 

Crimes against humanity - Drones - Anyone heard of those?  Drones are what Obama has used to murder innocent civilians in cold blood - while, of course, killing 'known' American terrorists without a jury trial. 

The Iraq war which resulted in more than 4000 US soldiers deaths was predicated on manipulated intel...

Hypocracy anyone?

 

Carpy
by Platinum Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 4:32 PM
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I would argue this last one with facts and figures, but arguing with brick walls has become WAY to boring.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 


Quoting steviechick:


The day Cheney is brought up on 'charges' is when Obama is brought up for Fast & Furious. 


BOth Holder and Obama were cleared in Fast and Furious 


Crimes against humanity - Drones - Anyone heard of those?  Drones are what Obama has used to murder innocent civilians in cold blood - while, of course, killing 'known' American terrorists without a jury trial. 


The Iraq war which resulted in more than 4000 US soldiers deaths was predicated on manipulated intel...


Hypocracy anyone?


 

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steviechick
by Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 4:33 PM

 


Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 

Quoting steviechick:

The day Cheney is brought up on 'charges' is when Obama is brought up for Fast & Furious. 

BOth Holder and Obama were cleared in Fast and Furious 

Crimes against humanity - Drones - Anyone heard of those?  Drones are what Obama has used to murder innocent civilians in cold blood - while, of course, killing 'known' American terrorists without a jury trial. 

The Iraq war which resulted in more than 4000 US soldiers deaths was predicated on manipulated intel...

Hypocracy anyone?

 

'Cleared' my whom?  The investigation still isn't over.  The DOJ has put a stop to it. 

The Iraq war was indeed manipulated on intel - intel from the state department in order to pursuade Bush to go to Congress.  Something which Obama failed to do to when he bombed Libya.

 

sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Feb. 27, 2013 at 4:35 PM

 

Quoting steviechick:

 

 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

 

Quoting steviechick:

The day Cheney is brought up on 'charges' is when Obama is brought up for Fast & Furious. 

BOth Holder and Obama were cleared in Fast and Furious 

Crimes against humanity - Drones - Anyone heard of those?  Drones are what Obama has used to murder innocent civilians in cold blood - while, of course, killing 'known' American terrorists without a jury trial. 

The Iraq war which resulted in more than 4000 US soldiers deaths was predicated on manipulated intel...

Hypocracy anyone?

 

'Cleared' my whom?  The investigation still isn't over.  The DOJ has put a stop to it. 

The Iraq war was indeed manipulated on intel - intel from the state department in order to pursuade Bush to go to Congress.  Something which Obama failed to do to when he bombed Libya.

 

 

Eric Holder Cleared in 'Fast and Furious' Report, but 14 Others Face Discipline

By John Hudson | The Atlantic Wire - Wed, Sep 19, 2012

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There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest that Attorney General Eric Holder knew about the botched "gun-walking" scandal known as "Fast and Furious" before Congress began asking him about it in early 2011, according to a long-awaited report by the Justice Department's inspector general. However, Holder's subordinate, deputy assistant attorney general Jason Weinstein, is resigning in wake of the report.

RELATED: Issa Threatens Contempt Proceedings Against Holder Over Fast and Furious

For the last 18-months, Holder has endured round after round of testy congressional hearings where Nixon-stye questioning "what did you know, when did you know it?" by Republicans attempted to hold him responsible for the failed program. There is "no evidence that Attorney General Eric Holder was informed about Operation Fast and Furious, or learned about the tactics employed by ATF in the investigation" prior to congressional inquiries, reads the report. But that doesn't mean Holder's subordinates at the DOJ and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are in the clear.

RELATED: Holder Pummeled from the Left on Targeted Killings

CNN reports 14 officials face disciplinary action for their roles in the program which was plagued by a "series of misguided strategies, tactics, errors in judgment and management failures" on behalf of agents, prosecutors and senior ATF officials. The biggest names to take the fall are Weinstein and Kenneth Melson, the former acting-director of the ATF. "The inappropriate strategy and tactics employed were field-driven and date back to 2006; The leadership of the Department did not know about or authorize the use of the flawed strategy and tactics; and The Department's leadership did not attempt to cover up information or mislead Congress about it," said Holder, as he accepted Weinstein's resignation.

RELATED: House Oversight Committee Holds Eric Holder in Contempt

There's no way this report is going to muzzle Republican critics who skewered Holder for failing to forthrightly answer questions about the program, but the investigation does carry some lasting weight, as Talking Points Memo's Ryan Reilly notes. "The IG report is considered to be the most comprehensive and least partisan account of the scandal available to date," he writes. "Unlike investigators with Rep. Darrell Issa's House Oversight Committee, DOJ investigators had access to criminal investigation files." Cue Issa, who took to Twitter following the report's release:

President @barackobama: will you step in to deliver the #FastAndFurious accountability AG #Holder won't or can't? 1.usa.gov/SBTvw2

- Darrell Issa (@DarrellIssa) September 19, 2012

Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy, meanwhile, says the report "should finally put to rest the unfounded claims" that the scandal went all the way to the top. At the heart of the investigation was a tragedy in the form of the death of federal border agent Brian Terry, who was killed near the Mexico border in 2010 in a shootout where two of weapons tied to Fast & Furious turned up at the scene. No one is denying that the program was deeply flawed and resulted in thousands of guns being lost to Mexican nationals in an attempt to track down drug cartel higher-ups. However, the report blunts repeated calls from Republicans for Holder to resign. 

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