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CREDIT RATERS: U.S. NEEDS $1.6 TRILLION MORE CUTS BEYOND SEQUESTER

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The $85 billion in across-the-board sequestration cuts is not enough in deficit reduction to forestall another downgrade of the nation’s “AAA” credit rating, say top credit ratings agencies.


The key to protecting America’s credit rating, say analysts, is lowering the nation’s debt-to-GDP ratio. The federal debt is projected to go from 72% of GDP in 2012 to 87% in 2022. Economists say economic growth accelerates for nations that keep their debt-to-GDP ratio at or below 60%. Projections from the Peter G. Peterson Institute put America’s debt-to-GDP ratio at 200% in 27 years.


The sequestration cuts help, says Fitch Rating’s Global Managing Director for Sovereign Ratings David Riley, but the manner in which they occurred did little to assure that America’s political system is on a stable and sustainable path to deficit reduction.


“It’s not the most ideal outcome,” said Riley. “You’d rather have intelligent cuts... but we don’t live in an ideal world, and it’s better to have some deficit reduction than none at all.”


Fitch Ratings says even after the sequester, America still needs another $1.6 trillion in deficit reduction to be on a sustainable path and another $3 trillion to put the nation’s debt-to-GDP ratio on a downward trajectory.


Fitch’s comments echo those Standard & Poor made when it lowered the nation’s credit rating. 


"The political discord around this process was a factor in lowering the credit rating," said S&P spokesperson John Piecuch. "We believe that the events since then have validated our opinion."


While Fitch and Moody’s Investors Service still give the U.S. their top credit rating, both have placed the U.S. on a negative outlook.

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29again
by Gold Member on Mar. 9, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Name a republican who voted for the PPACA.  Just one. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Everything you posted about you were wrong about

The healthcare bill did have a few republican votes

They also were involved in negotiations and everything they asked for was added

And they still voted no



Quoting SallyMJ:

Obamacare? That was passed in 2009 without a single R vote. R's were not even allowed to be involved or have any voice here, because they were the minority in both houses. Remember?

And besides, how can something like Obamacare, that is more expensive than the current system, cut costs? How could it contribute to the $1.6 T needed for deficit reduction. tt can't. 

Are you referring to something else?


Quoting sweet-a-kins:

I mentioned the healthcare bill



Please reread



Economists said the stimulus reduced unemployment




Quoting SallyMJ:

Uh - not exactly. Please read up on it, in a source other than a left-wing blog.

1) D's INSISTED on a tax increase - when R's already  had said they would absolutely NOT agree to that. That was their bottom level they told D's from the start - and still D's demanded to do it - so D's sunk their own bill. THAT is negotiating in bad faith - as any  negotiator will tell you. The goal is Win-Win, not Win-Lose. Insisting on something your negotiating partner has already told you is absolutely unacceptable and not open for negotiating, is bad faith negotiation, and stupid. 

2) R's were not convinced it would work - since there had been so many negative results from the Feb 2009 stimulus- specifically INCREASED UNEMPLOYMENT! (when it was supposed to decrease).  You HAVE to look at the likely consequences down the road.

A so-called "jobs bill" that would cause higher employment, like the Feb 2009 stimulus - is not a jobs bill after all. It's an "increase unemployment" bill. Who in their right mind would agree to that??



Quoting sweet-a-kins









sweet-a-kins
by Ruby Member on Mar. 9, 2013 at 11:49 PM

November 8, 2009, 12:37 am
Health Bill Earns One Republican Vote
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN

Lee Celano for The New York Times
Representative Anh Cao, Republican of Louisiana, voted for the Democrats’ health care bill.
House Democrats were thrilled by the passage of their major health care legislation, but perhaps no development on Saturday tickled them more than winning the vote of a single Republican: Representative Anh “Joseph” Cao of Louisiana.

Mr. Cao (pronounced gow; rhymes with cow), a freshman from New Orleans, was elected last year in an upset victory over Representative William J. Jefferson, a Democrat who was under indictment on federal corruption charges at the time and has since been convicted.

“Tonight, I voted to keep taxpayer dollars from funding abortion and to deliver access to affordable health care to the people of Louisiana,” Mr. Cao said in a statement posted on his Web site.


The House Debate

Prescriptions will be following the floor debate over health care legislation in the House of Representatives throughout Saturday. Previous posts:
Health Bill Passes House
G.O.P. Tactic
Obama’s Pitch
Abortion Debate Flares Again
Pelosi Is Confident
Rangel, Boehner Tangle
Hoisting Babies
Lawmakers Join Protest
House Clears One Hurdle
Obama Rallies Undecideds
Objections Fly
Abortion Fight Erupts
Lead Players
Read the House Bill | The Stupak Amendment
Reader Discussion of the House Bill
CSPAN: Selected Speeches
“I read the versions of the House bill. I listened to the countless stories of Orleans and Jefferson Parish citizens whose health care costs are exploding — if they are able to obtain health care at all. Louisianans needs real options for primary care, for mental health care, and for expanded health care for seniors and children.”

In the statement, Mr. Cao also said that he had secured a personal commitment from President Obama on health issues important to Louisiana, including disparities in federal reimbursement rates for Medicaid. And while many Democrats complained that tighter restrictions on insurance coverage for abortions had threatened support for the bill on their side, Mr. Cao said that those tougher restrictions encouraged him to support the bill.

Mr. Cao’s vote offered a rare break in ranks for the House Republican minority, which has tried hard to stay unified on major political issues. On the economic stimulus measure, for instance, the Republicans voted unanimously in opposition.

But it was not the first time Mr. Cao broke with his party. He was one of 29 Republicans to join Democrats earlier this year in voting to reauthorize the Children’s Health Insurance Program.

Democrats, teasingly, immediately claimed a mantle of bipartisanship for their health care legislation.

“This was, as you observed, a bipartisan vote,” the House majority leader, Representative Steny H. Hoyer, Democrat of Maryland, said at a news conference to celebrate the passage of the bill.

Mr. Cao, who made his decision near the end of the 15-minute voting period, quickly slipped out of the House chamber and eluded news reporters. He is certain to enjoy political celebrity in the days ahead, though it is unclear it will help his political prospects.

Democrats are already lining up to challenge Mr. Cao next year, and analysts consistently rate his district is among the most likely to switch to Democrat from Republican control.

Mr. Cao, a lawyer, is a minority in several senses: a Republican amid a crowd of Democrats; a Vietnamese-American in an overwhelmingly black district.

In his election campaign last year, Mr. Cao promised ethics and integrity. He was born in Vietnam (he is the first Vietnamese-American member of Congress) and he fled with two siblings after the Fall of Saigon in 1975, moving to live with an uncle in Indiana.

He holds a master’s degree in philosophy from Fordham University and received his law degree from Loyola University.

His vote in favor of the health care legislation contrasted with the “no” vote by Representative Charlie Melancon, a Democrat from southern Louisiana, who is running for the Senate next year. Senator Mary Landrieu, Democrat of Louisiana, has expressed reservations about the health care legislation, particularly the proposal for a government-run insurance plan or public option. She is being courted aggressively by Senate Democratic leaders who need all 60 members of the Democratic caucus to advance the health care bill.

The only Republican Senator to vote in favor of the health care legislation during the committee process was Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, but Ms. Snowe has since said she will oppose bringing up the bill for debate because the majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, added a government plan to the bill.
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1. November 8, 2009
12:58 am
Link
that’s one republican and only one republican who cares more about what happens between birth and death than the entire rest of his party. Kudos to him.

— Peter
2. November 8, 2009
12:59 am
Link
I am pretty sure that Anh Cao’s fellow Republicans will be waterboarding him and plying him with red hot irons tonight until he sees the error of his ways

— blacklight
3. November 8, 2009
1:09 am
Link
He will not be reelected next year. Enjoy it while it lasted.

— Nevada Fisherman
4. November 8, 2009
1:11 am
Link
Congressman Joseph Cao. We are so proud of you — our first Vietnamese-American Congressman. When history calls, you answer bravely. The bill is not perfect, but nothing is perfect. With your vote, American can finally arrive with other industrialized nations in providing health care for its citizens and allow businesses to compete globally.

— Phat Nguyen
5. November 8, 2009
1:16 am
Link
thank you, Rep. Cao, for your courage!

— Craig
6. November 8, 2009
1:19 am
Link
He acted honorably on behalf of his constituents who face a terrible disparity with respect to health care access.

— victor
7. November 8, 2009
1:23 am
Link
One sane republican!!

— mgm
8. November 8, 2009
1:28 am
Link
Bravo, Mr. Cao

— Lisa
9. November 8, 2009
1:31 am
Link
Thank you Mr Cao.

— outwithshelby
10. November 8, 2009
1:31 am
Link
Nice to get a Republican vote in favor of the bill but I sure hope they didn’t compromise on abortion funding just for the sake of that one vote. If desperate and poverty-stricken women have to return to coat-hangers and back-alley abortionists, we’ll end up with more dead mothers ALONG WITH more dead fetuses.

— stu freeman
11. November 8, 2009
1:35 am
Link
This is a band-aid on an arterial bleeder. We’ll be right back here in a few years trying to reinvent the wheel.

— J. Swift
12. November 8, 2009
1:47 am
Link
The quite, behind-the-scenes, principled stand of Rep. Cao stands in stark contrast to the very public grandstanding of Sen. Snowe.

— Marylen
13. November 8, 2009
1:50 am
Link
Though the Republican party appears to believe that the movie “Dr. No” was about health care, I wonder how many of us who are for the bill actually know what’s in it. It is certain that the results, should it eventually pass the Senate, will not be the debacle the Republicans self-righteously predict. However, those of us in support should be prepared for a possibly harsh lesson in the law of unintended consequences.

— Steve Fankuchen
14. November 8, 2009
1:53 am
Link
This article has two major inaccuracies. The Senate Democratic leaders don’t “need” all 60 members of the Democratic caucus to advance the heatlh care bill….they need 60 “total” votes in the Senate…so they can lose Democratic votes as long as for every Democratic vote they lose they gain a Republican. This sort of presumes this can’t happen.

The second major issue is the statement that Republican Senator Olympia Snowe “will oppose bringing up the bill for debate because the majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, added a government plan to the bill.” Snowe herself proposed a trigger for a public option….Reid’s bill instead of a trigger, it is an opt-out….either way a government plan is added to the bill…just in one case it only becomes implemented if a trigger is pulled…on the other one it only continues if states choose not to opt-out. Both bills carefully detail a plan.

Snowe’s vote is only needed if Joe Lieberman or some other Democrat chooses to filibuster this Democratic bill.

While no Republican other then Snowe or Collins could possibly vote for the bill (by anyones projections) it still remains possible that you would have a Republican Senator (other then Snowe or Collins) that might vote against the final bill but still vote against the filibuster..it could be somene like the retiring Republican Ohio Senator. They would have much less political heat voting against the filibuster then outright voting for the bill.

Once all the Democratic Senators OTHER THEN Lieberman commit not to filibuster it..there will be tremendous pressure on him….he would almost assuredly lose his chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee in the Senate for voting for it….and his chances in 2012 would be bleak…switching to become a Republican, his chances would be even bleaker.

— Dan
15. November 8, 2009
1:58 am
Link
Its kind of sickening that so many are so childish about Democrats vs Republicans. Grow up America. This isn’t a baseball game; this is life and the decisions being made are about taking care of our panet and lives. Its truly disgusting that the media is more wrapped up in the gossip rather than the details of the legislation. What kind of publication are you running that you buy into that immaturity? Mr. Cao did what he thought was right which is what everyone should be doing. Although I don’t agree with the decision, his statement appeared to be an authentic one. If everyone had a conscience in Washington, on Wall Street, in Hollywood, and in the individual home as well, America would not be facing any of the problems it faces today. Bad decisions are human, greed and corruption are just plain evil.

— Sue Kroeger
16. November 8, 2009
1:58 am
Link
Goodness begins to occur for those who are truly suffering needlessly at the controls of unchecked health insurance practices and prices…May the lord and the angels insure next that the senate bill passes and then the combined bill passes…Truth this time will not be stopped by the orchestrated and cowardly attempt by the health insurance companies to manipulate and stop the long overdue overhaul of their legalize super empire of blatant and cruel subjigation of all middle class americans…..

— Vezuvion1
17. November 8, 2009
2:06 am
Link
Unbelievable!
A small step for a man, a giant loap for mankind (Neil Armstrong, July 21, 1969)
I hope it passes the Senate too!
Greet

— greet bauwens belgium
18. November 8, 2009
2:11 am
Link
This is a bad bill, which will not offer administrative savings, universal coverage, or guaranteed affordability, and which will not bring down health care costs, while increasing restrictions on abortions. Real health care reform is still needed. Medicare for all should be considered NOW.

— Lihsia Wang, MD
19. November 8, 2009
2:30 am
Link
Mr. Cao seems to be that rarest of politicians–a Republican who is pro-life who follows through beyond pregnancy. He is opposed to abortion but believes that babies and children and, indeed, adults deserve help with staying alive, too. So many Republicans practice what Rep. Frank called “the right to life that begins at conception and ends at birth.” It’s encouraging to find someone who doesn’t and who has the courage of his convictions. Thanks, Rep. Cao.

— Fiona
20. November 8, 2009
2:36 am
Link
For all of those candidates who promised to go to Washington and not be pressured to vote along simply ideological lines; I say SHAME. How can something as momentous as this topic be decided solely along party lines? Is America this polarized and blinkered to different opinions?. Voters deserve better. How ironic that it took a Vietnamese-born congressman to make us all realize that! Good for him!

— StuartVT
21. November 8, 2009
2:37 am
Link
Bravo, Rep. Cao! It’s almost amazing to see a Representative of either party, never mind one from the Party of No, willing to vote for the interests of his constituents over lobbies or Big Business. I’ve never been in favor of term limits, but after seeing the actions of Rep.Grayson of Florida and now, Rep. Cao of Louisiana, maybe new blood can bring refreshing candor to our politically constipated Congress.

The Senate, with its 60-vote rule, may be largely upper case Democratic, but is not at all lower case democratic. Democracies don’t allow 40% plus one of legislators to call the shots. How about Senators.Landrieu of Louisiana and Le Mieux of Florida switching positions with the above-mentioned Representatives for the next two months. It might just revive American Democracy!

— Wayne Hill
22. November 8, 2009
3:00 am
Link
finally, one smart republican. voting for his country above his party.

— don carmon
23. November 8, 2009
3:30 am
Link
Good for him! His constituents should be proud of him.

— Nana
24. November 8, 2009
3:31 am
Link
The man may have just saved his career.

— CloseAnalysis
25. November 8, 2009
3:33 am
Link
The Republican party should send a clear message to Cao that he’ll receive his comeuppance for betraying us on such an important issue. When the deficit explodes and this country begins to express the clear symptoms of going down the drain, EVERYONE should be fully aware, that the Democrats are the only ones to be blamed. Maybe by that time, after the history books have been written, then burned, they’ll finally do what they haven’t done since the ’60s — that is, take responsibility for their fiscal insanity.

I look forward to the lower premiums and higher quality care so generously bestowed on us, courtesy of the same folks who have so boldly blazed trails in Massachusetts.

— Billare
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Quoting 29again:

Name a republican who voted for the PPACA.  Just one. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Everything you posted about you were wrong about



The healthcare bill did have a few republican votes



They also were involved in negotiations and everything they asked for was added



And they still voted no







Quoting SallyMJ:

Obamacare? That was passed in 2009 without a single R vote. R's were not even allowed to be involved or have any voice here, because they were the minority in both houses. Remember?

And besides, how can something like Obamacare, that is more expensive than the current system, cut costs? How could it contribute to the $1.6 T needed for deficit reduction. tt can't. 

Are you referring to something else?



Quoting sweet-a-kins:

I mentioned the healthcare bill





Please reread





Economists said the stimulus reduced unemployment






Quoting SallyMJ:

Uh - not exactly. Please read up on it, in a source other than a left-wing blog.

1) D's INSISTED on a tax increase - when R's already  had said they would absolutely NOT agree to that. That was their bottom level they told D's from the start - and still D's demanded to do it - so D's sunk their own bill. THAT is negotiating in bad faith - as any  negotiator will tell you. The goal is Win-Win, not Win-Lose. Insisting on something your negotiating partner has already told you is absolutely unacceptable and not open for negotiating, is bad faith negotiation, and stupid. 

2) R's were not convinced it would work - since there had been so many negative results from the Feb 2009 stimulus- specifically INCREASED UNEMPLOYMENT! (when it was supposed to decrease).  You HAVE to look at the likely consequences down the road.

A so-called "jobs bill" that would cause higher employment, like the Feb 2009 stimulus - is not a jobs bill after all. It's an "increase unemployment" bill. Who in their right mind would agree to that??




Quoting sweet-a-kins











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29again
by Gold Member on Mar. 10, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Now, sweets, let's focus on the bill that passed, the one that was signed into law!   The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, signed into law March 23, 2010. 


Quit playing games, okay?  Thanks.

Quoting sweet-a-kins:


November 8, 2009, 12:37 am
Health Bill Earns One Republican Vote
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN

Lee Celano for The New York Times
Representative Anh Cao, Republican of Louisiana, voted for the Democrats’ health care bill.
House Democrats were thrilled by the passage of their major health care legislation, but perhaps no development on Saturday tickled them more than winning the vote of a single Republican: Representative Anh “Joseph” Cao of Louisiana.

Mr. Cao (pronounced gow; rhymes with cow), a freshman from New Orleans, was elected last year in an upset victory over Representative William J. Jefferson, a Democrat who was under indictment on federal corruption charges at the time and has since been convicted.

“Tonight, I voted to keep taxpayer dollars from funding abortion and to deliver access to affordable health care to the people of Louisiana,” Mr. Cao said in a statement posted on his Web site.


The House Debate

Prescriptions will be following the floor debate over health care legislation in the House of Representatives throughout Saturday. Previous posts:
Health Bill Passes House
G.O.P. Tactic
Obama’s Pitch
Abortion Debate Flares Again
Pelosi Is Confident
Rangel, Boehner Tangle
Hoisting Babies
Lawmakers Join Protest
House Clears One Hurdle
Obama Rallies Undecideds
Objections Fly
Abortion Fight Erupts
Lead Players
Read the House Bill | The Stupak Amendment
Reader Discussion of the House Bill
CSPAN: Selected Speeches
“I read the versions of the House bill. I listened to the countless stories of Orleans and Jefferson Parish citizens whose health care costs are exploding — if they are able to obtain health care at all. Louisianans needs real options for primary care, for mental health care, and for expanded health care for seniors and children.”

In the statement, Mr. Cao also said that he had secured a personal commitment from President Obama on health issues important to Louisiana, including disparities in federal reimbursement rates for Medicaid. And while many Democrats complained that tighter restrictions on insurance coverage for abortions had threatened support for the bill on their side, Mr. Cao said that those tougher restrictions encouraged him to support the bill.

Mr. Cao’s vote offered a rare break in ranks for the House Republican minority, which has tried hard to stay unified on major political issues. On the economic stimulus measure, for instance, the Republicans voted unanimously in opposition.

But it was not the first time Mr. Cao broke with his party. He was one of 29 Republicans to join Democrats earlier this year in voting to reauthorize the Children’s Health Insurance Program.

Democrats, teasingly, immediately claimed a mantle of bipartisanship for their health care legislation.

“This was, as you observed, a bipartisan vote,” the House majority leader, Representative Steny H. Hoyer, Democrat of Maryland, said at a news conference to celebrate the passage of the bill.

Mr. Cao, who made his decision near the end of the 15-minute voting period, quickly slipped out of the House chamber and eluded news reporters. He is certain to enjoy political celebrity in the days ahead, though it is unclear it will help his political prospects.

Democrats are already lining up to challenge Mr. Cao next year, and analysts consistently rate his district is among the most likely to switch to Democrat from Republican control.

Mr. Cao, a lawyer, is a minority in several senses: a Republican amid a crowd of Democrats; a Vietnamese-American in an overwhelmingly black district.

In his election campaign last year, Mr. Cao promised ethics and integrity. He was born in Vietnam (he is the first Vietnamese-American member of Congress) and he fled with two siblings after the Fall of Saigon in 1975, moving to live with an uncle in Indiana.

He holds a master’s degree in philosophy from Fordham University and received his law degree from Loyola University.

His vote in favor of the health care legislation contrasted with the “no” vote by Representative Charlie Melancon, a Democrat from southern Louisiana, who is running for the Senate next year. Senator Mary Landrieu, Democrat of Louisiana, has expressed reservations about the health care legislation, particularly the proposal for a government-run insurance plan or public option. She is being courted aggressively by Senate Democratic leaders who need all 60 members of the Democratic caucus to advance the health care bill.

The only Republican Senator to vote in favor of the health care legislation during the committee process was Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, but Ms. Snowe has since said she will oppose bringing up the bill for debate because the majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, added a government plan to the bill.
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From 1 to 25 of 144 Comments

1 2 3 ... 6 Next »
1. November 8, 2009
12:58 am
Link
that’s one republican and only one republican who cares more about what happens between birth and death than the entire rest of his party. Kudos to him.

— Peter
2. November 8, 2009
12:59 am
Link
I am pretty sure that Anh Cao’s fellow Republicans will be waterboarding him and plying him with red hot irons tonight until he sees the error of his ways

— blacklight
3. November 8, 2009
1:09 am
Link
He will not be reelected next year. Enjoy it while it lasted.

— Nevada Fisherman
4. November 8, 2009
1:11 am
Link
Congressman Joseph Cao. We are so proud of you — our first Vietnamese-American Congressman. When history calls, you answer bravely. The bill is not perfect, but nothing is perfect. With your vote, American can finally arrive with other industrialized nations in providing health care for its citizens and allow businesses to compete globally.

— Phat Nguyen
5. November 8, 2009
1:16 am
Link
thank you, Rep. Cao, for your courage!

— Craig
6. November 8, 2009
1:19 am
Link
He acted honorably on behalf of his constituents who face a terrible disparity with respect to health care access.

— victor
7. November 8, 2009
1:23 am
Link
One sane republican!!

— mgm
8. November 8, 2009
1:28 am
Link
Bravo, Mr. Cao

— Lisa
9. November 8, 2009
1:31 am
Link
Thank you Mr Cao.

— outwithshelby
10. November 8, 2009
1:31 am
Link
Nice to get a Republican vote in favor of the bill but I sure hope they didn’t compromise on abortion funding just for the sake of that one vote. If desperate and poverty-stricken women have to return to coat-hangers and back-alley abortionists, we’ll end up with more dead mothers ALONG WITH more dead fetuses.

— stu freeman
11. November 8, 2009
1:35 am
Link
This is a band-aid on an arterial bleeder. We’ll be right back here in a few years trying to reinvent the wheel.

— J. Swift
12. November 8, 2009
1:47 am
Link
The quite, behind-the-scenes, principled stand of Rep. Cao stands in stark contrast to the very public grandstanding of Sen. Snowe.

— Marylen
13. November 8, 2009
1:50 am
Link
Though the Republican party appears to believe that the movie “Dr. No” was about health care, I wonder how many of us who are for the bill actually know what’s in it. It is certain that the results, should it eventually pass the Senate, will not be the debacle the Republicans self-righteously predict. However, those of us in support should be prepared for a possibly harsh lesson in the law of unintended consequences.

— Steve Fankuchen
14. November 8, 2009
1:53 am
Link
This article has two major inaccuracies. The Senate Democratic leaders don’t “need” all 60 members of the Democratic caucus to advance the heatlh care bill….they need 60 “total” votes in the Senate…so they can lose Democratic votes as long as for every Democratic vote they lose they gain a Republican. This sort of presumes this can’t happen.

The second major issue is the statement that Republican Senator Olympia Snowe “will oppose bringing up the bill for debate because the majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, added a government plan to the bill.” Snowe herself proposed a trigger for a public option….Reid’s bill instead of a trigger, it is an opt-out….either way a government plan is added to the bill…just in one case it only becomes implemented if a trigger is pulled…on the other one it only continues if states choose not to opt-out. Both bills carefully detail a plan.

Snowe’s vote is only needed if Joe Lieberman or some other Democrat chooses to filibuster this Democratic bill.

While no Republican other then Snowe or Collins could possibly vote for the bill (by anyones projections) it still remains possible that you would have a Republican Senator (other then Snowe or Collins) that might vote against the final bill but still vote against the filibuster..it could be somene like the retiring Republican Ohio Senator. They would have much less political heat voting against the filibuster then outright voting for the bill.

Once all the Democratic Senators OTHER THEN Lieberman commit not to filibuster it..there will be tremendous pressure on him….he would almost assuredly lose his chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee in the Senate for voting for it….and his chances in 2012 would be bleak…switching to become a Republican, his chances would be even bleaker.

— Dan
15. November 8, 2009
1:58 am
Link
Its kind of sickening that so many are so childish about Democrats vs Republicans. Grow up America. This isn’t a baseball game; this is life and the decisions being made are about taking care of our panet and lives. Its truly disgusting that the media is more wrapped up in the gossip rather than the details of the legislation. What kind of publication are you running that you buy into that immaturity? Mr. Cao did what he thought was right which is what everyone should be doing. Although I don’t agree with the decision, his statement appeared to be an authentic one. If everyone had a conscience in Washington, on Wall Street, in Hollywood, and in the individual home as well, America would not be facing any of the problems it faces today. Bad decisions are human, greed and corruption are just plain evil.

— Sue Kroeger
16. November 8, 2009
1:58 am
Link
Goodness begins to occur for those who are truly suffering needlessly at the controls of unchecked health insurance practices and prices…May the lord and the angels insure next that the senate bill passes and then the combined bill passes…Truth this time will not be stopped by the orchestrated and cowardly attempt by the health insurance companies to manipulate and stop the long overdue overhaul of their legalize super empire of blatant and cruel subjigation of all middle class americans…..

— Vezuvion1
17. November 8, 2009
2:06 am
Link
Unbelievable!
A small step for a man, a giant loap for mankind (Neil Armstrong, July 21, 1969)
I hope it passes the Senate too!
Greet

— greet bauwens belgium
18. November 8, 2009
2:11 am
Link
This is a bad bill, which will not offer administrative savings, universal coverage, or guaranteed affordability, and which will not bring down health care costs, while increasing restrictions on abortions. Real health care reform is still needed. Medicare for all should be considered NOW.

— Lihsia Wang, MD
19. November 8, 2009
2:30 am
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Mr. Cao seems to be that rarest of politicians–a Republican who is pro-life who follows through beyond pregnancy. He is opposed to abortion but believes that babies and children and, indeed, adults deserve help with staying alive, too. So many Republicans practice what Rep. Frank called “the right to life that begins at conception and ends at birth.” It’s encouraging to find someone who doesn’t and who has the courage of his convictions. Thanks, Rep. Cao.

— Fiona
20. November 8, 2009
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For all of those candidates who promised to go to Washington and not be pressured to vote along simply ideological lines; I say SHAME. How can something as momentous as this topic be decided solely along party lines? Is America this polarized and blinkered to different opinions?. Voters deserve better. How ironic that it took a Vietnamese-born congressman to make us all realize that! Good for him!

— StuartVT
21. November 8, 2009
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Bravo, Rep. Cao! It’s almost amazing to see a Representative of either party, never mind one from the Party of No, willing to vote for the interests of his constituents over lobbies or Big Business. I’ve never been in favor of term limits, but after seeing the actions of Rep.Grayson of Florida and now, Rep. Cao of Louisiana, maybe new blood can bring refreshing candor to our politically constipated Congress.

The Senate, with its 60-vote rule, may be largely upper case Democratic, but is not at all lower case democratic. Democracies don’t allow 40% plus one of legislators to call the shots. How about Senators.Landrieu of Louisiana and Le Mieux of Florida switching positions with the above-mentioned Representatives for the next two months. It might just revive American Democracy!

— Wayne Hill
22. November 8, 2009
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finally, one smart republican. voting for his country above his party.

— don carmon
23. November 8, 2009
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Good for him! His constituents should be proud of him.

— Nana
24. November 8, 2009
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The man may have just saved his career.

— CloseAnalysis
25. November 8, 2009
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The Republican party should send a clear message to Cao that he’ll receive his comeuppance for betraying us on such an important issue. When the deficit explodes and this country begins to express the clear symptoms of going down the drain, EVERYONE should be fully aware, that the Democrats are the only ones to be blamed. Maybe by that time, after the history books have been written, then burned, they’ll finally do what they haven’t done since the ’60s — that is, take responsibility for their fiscal insanity.

I look forward to the lower premiums and higher quality care so generously bestowed on us, courtesy of the same folks who have so boldly blazed trails in Massachusetts.

— Billare
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Quoting 29again:

Name a republican who voted for the PPACA.  Just one. 

Quoting sweet-a-kins:

Everything you posted about you were wrong about



The healthcare bill did have a few republican votes



They also were involved in negotiations and everything they asked for was added



And they still voted no







Quoting SallyMJ:

Obamacare? That was passed in 2009 without a single R vote. R's were not even allowed to be involved or have any voice here, because they were the minority in both houses. Remember?

And besides, how can something like Obamacare, that is more expensive than the current system, cut costs? How could it contribute to the $1.6 T needed for deficit reduction. tt can't. 

Are you referring to something else?



Quoting sweet-a-kins:

I mentioned the healthcare bill





Please reread





Economists said the stimulus reduced unemployment






Quoting SallyMJ:

Uh - not exactly. Please read up on it, in a source other than a left-wing blog.

1) D's INSISTED on a tax increase - when R's already  had said they would absolutely NOT agree to that. That was their bottom level they told D's from the start - and still D's demanded to do it - so D's sunk their own bill. THAT is negotiating in bad faith - as any  negotiator will tell you. The goal is Win-Win, not Win-Lose. Insisting on something your negotiating partner has already told you is absolutely unacceptable and not open for negotiating, is bad faith negotiation, and stupid. 

2) R's were not convinced it would work - since there had been so many negative results from the Feb 2009 stimulus- specifically INCREASED UNEMPLOYMENT! (when it was supposed to decrease).  You HAVE to look at the likely consequences down the road.

A so-called "jobs bill" that would cause higher employment, like the Feb 2009 stimulus - is not a jobs bill after all. It's an "increase unemployment" bill. Who in their right mind would agree to that??




Quoting sweet-a-kins












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