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Background check plan defeated in major setback for Senate gun bill: 54 to 46

Posted by on Apr. 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM
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The Senate on Wednesday defeated a vital amendment seen as the linchpin to Democrats' gun control bill, dealing a major setback to President Obama as he campaigns to expand the federal background check system. 

The vote was 54-46, with supporters falling six votes short of the required 60-vote threshold. 

The Senate is proceeding to several other amendments, but the failure of the background check proposal authored by Sens. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and Pat Toomey, R-Pa., imperils the entire legislation. The proposal would have expanded background checks to gun shows and Internet sales while exempting personal transactions. The amendment was aimed at winning over reluctant conservatives, who were opposed to the more stringent background check plan in the existing bill. 

It's unclear where supporters will go from here. They could try to vote again, or craft an alternative piece of legislation. Four Republicans voted for the amendment, but five Democrats voted against it. One of those Democrats was Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid -- who only switched his vote to oppose it because doing so allows Democrats to call up the measure again. Other Democrats who voted against the measure for non-procedural reasons were Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Sen. Mark Begich of Alaska, Sen. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Sen. Max Baucus of Montana. 

The Obama administration has made the package, written in the wake of the Newtown school mass shooting, a top priority and along with its allies had applied heavy pressure to wavering lawmakers. Vice President Biden presided over the vote Wednesday. 

Though the bill advanced on a key procedural vote last week, it would likely need to clear the 60-vote threshold once more -- a very heavy lift without the Manchin-Toomey amendment. 

In the run-up to Wednesday's vote, Democratic leaders gave ever-changing assessments of where support stood. 

Biden said Tuesday that Democrats would get the 60 votes, but then said later in the day that it could come down to one or two senators. 

Manchin acknowledged early Wednesday that the bill was having trouble, but then released a statement saying he remained "optimistic and hopeful." 

Opponents needed just 41 of the Senate's 100 votes to derail the Manchin-Toomey background check plan.   

Thirty-one senators voted last week to completely block debate on overall gun legislation. Two were Democrats -- Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Mark Begich of Alaska. 

Since last week, enough Republicans who voted to allow debate switched to oppose Manchin-Toomey, in turn defeating the amendment. 

Opponents, which included a few Democrats, voiced concern that the proposal would still infringe on Second Amendment rights by imposing a burden on those buying and selling guns. They also voiced concern about the possibility that the expanded system could lead to a gun registry, though the amendment language prohibits this. 

"I believe very strongly that our current background check system needs strengthening and improving, particularly in areas that could keep guns out of the hands of felons and the mentally ill. At the same time, I cannot support legislation that infringes upon the constitutional right to keep and bear arms," Sen. Dean Heller, R-Nev., one of those opposed, said in a statement. 

Only four Republican senators committed to voting for the amendment ahead of time. The last was Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who announced his support Wednesday afternoon. The other three were Toomey, Sen. Mark Kirk of Illinois and Sen. Susan Collins of Maine. 

The Senate gun bill would extend background checks to nearly all gun purchases, toughen penalties against illegal gun trafficking and add small sums to school safety programs. 

Perhaps helping explain Democrats' problems, an AP-GfK poll this month showed that 49 percent of Americans support stricter gun laws. That was down from 58 percent who said so in January -- a month after the December killings of 20 children and six aides at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school propelled gun violence into a national issue. 

In a climactic day, the Senate planned to hold eight other votes Wednesday besides the one on background checks, all of them amendments to a broad gun control measure. 

They included Democratic proposals to ban assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines, which are expected to lose; a Republican proposal requiring states to honor other states' permits allowing concealed weapons, which faces a close vote; and a GOP substitute for the overall gun measure. 

The concealed weapons amendment, seen by advocates as protecting gun rights, was vehemently opposed by gun control groups, who say it would allow more guns into states with stricter firearms laws. 

The votes were coming a day after former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, badly injured in a 2011 mass shooting in Tucson, Ariz., and her husband, Mark Kelly, tried galvanizing gun control support by visiting Capitol Hill and attending a private lunch with Democratic senators. Reid, D-Nev., called the lunch -- senators said it included emotional speeches from lawmakers -- "as moving as any" he has attended. 

The Associated Press contributed to this report.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/17/background-check-plan-in-trouble-as-dems-call-votes-on-gun-bill/#ixzz2QkxXRwb7

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Pema_Jampa
by Celeste on Apr. 17, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Good job of doing nothing about the issue.

kcangel63
by Amanda on Apr. 17, 2013 at 5:07 PM
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LIMom1105
by on Apr. 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM
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 Last time I saw a public opinion poll, 88% of Americans were in favor of stronger background checks. This is the most benign feature of this bill. 

How they all bow and scrape to the NRA--that's who won here, not the majority of voters. Disgusting.

tnmomofive
by Silver Member on Apr. 17, 2013 at 5:09 PM
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Good news

maddiesmommy5
by on Apr. 17, 2013 at 5:17 PM
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 Good!

grandmab125
by Gold Member on Apr. 17, 2013 at 5:29 PM
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 What poll would that be?  According to the article, only 49% of people polled in the AP-Gfk poll supported stronger background checks.  That's down 9% from the 58% who supported it in January, a month after Newtown.

I think you should stop foaming at the mouth about the NRA, and consider this:  There are 21 dem Senate seats up for re-election in 2014, with 2 Indep.  Since there are 53 dems, 45 repubs and the 2 indeps, they only have to lose at least 8 seats, and they no longer have the majority.  A lot of these dem seats are in states that are now strongly republican, and run by republican governors.

Why do you think that Harry Reid has put off voting on an anti-gun bill for so long?  He's trying to protect those dem seats.

Quoting LIMom1105:

 Last time I saw a public opinion poll, 88% of Americans were in favor of stronger background checks. This is the most benign feature of this bill. 

How they all bow and scrape to the NRA--that's who won here, not the majority of voters. Disgusting.

 

grandma B

Pema_Jampa
by Celeste on Apr. 17, 2013 at 5:39 PM
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91 percent of Americans support gun background checks: Poll

Handguns displayed in Sandy, Utah. (Rick Bowmer/AP)

Despite concerns about how information on gun owners might be used, 91 percent of registered voters support universal background checks, according to a new poll released on Thursday.

Only 8 percent of voters surveyed by Quinnipiac University's Polling Institute March 26 to April 1 stated opposition to universal background checks—something the White House, many Democrats in Congress and and gun-violence opponents are pushing in the wake of the December shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. In households with guns, 88 percent of respondents expressed support for checks.

Many lawmakers and administration officials have used polling indicating strong support for universal background checks to urge the closure of background-check loopholes for gun show sales and elsewhere.

The support for such checks comes despite concerns about how that information could be applied. Forty-eight percent of voters surveyed said they believe information will be used by the government in the future to confiscate legally owned guns. Thirty-eight percent of respondents said they don't believe it will be used in that manner.

Additionally, 59 percent of respondents support an assault weapons ban, while 36 percent oppose it, the poll found. The administration and key gun-reform advocates in Congress have advocated a ban on assault weapons, although this currently has little chance of passage in Congress after it was separated from gun-reform legislation to be offered by Senate Democrats.

A ban on high-capacity magazines also earned a majority of support—58 to 38 percent—in the survey.

Quinnipiac's poll, which had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.4 percentage points, also touched on hot-button issues such as same-sex marriage, Obamacare, immigration and soda bans.

Support for same-sex marriage in Quinnipiac's research reached a 50 percent milestone in this most recent survey, and opposition to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's soda ban remains high. Opinions of Obamacare are more negative than positive, the poll found, with 46 percent opposing and 41 percent supporting the health care law. And a strong majority of Americans surveyed support enabling immigrants to apply for citizenship and remain in the United States.

tnmomofive
by Silver Member on Apr. 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM
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I don't buy it either.

Quoting grandmab125:

 What poll would that be?  According to the article, only 49% of people polled in the AP-Gfk poll supported stronger background checks.  That's down 9% from the 58% who supported it in January, a month after Newtown.

I think you should stop foaming at the mouth about the NRA, and consider this:  There are 21 dem Senate seats up for re-election in 2014, with 2 Indep.  Since there are 53 dems, 45 repubs and the 2 indeps, they only have to lose at least 8 seats, and they no longer have the majority.  A lot of these dem seats are in states that are now strongly republican, and run by republican governors.

Why do you think that Harry Reid has put off voting on an anti-gun bill for so long?  He's trying to protect those dem seats.

Quoting LIMom1105:

 Last time I saw a public opinion poll, 88% of Americans were in favor of stronger background checks. This is the most benign feature of this bill. 

How they all bow and scrape to the NRA--that's who won here, not the majority of voters. Disgusting.

 



grandmab125
by Gold Member on Apr. 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM
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 I would hazard a guess that the dem senators don't believe that poll, that is if they even heard about it.  They are running scared that they will lose their seats in the 2014 election, since many of them are in "red" states.

Quoting Pema_Jampa:

91 percent of Americans support gun background checks: Poll

Handguns displayed in Sandy, Utah. (Rick Bowmer/AP)

Despite concerns about how information on gun owners might be used, 91 percent of registered voters support universal background checks, according to a new poll released on Thursday.

Only 8 percent of voters surveyed by Quinnipiac University's Polling Institute March 26 to April 1 stated opposition to universal background checks—something the White House, many Democrats in Congress and and gun-violence opponents are pushing in the wake of the December shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. In households with guns, 88 percent of respondents expressed support for checks.

Many lawmakers and administration officials have used polling indicating strong support for universal background checks to urge the closure of background-check loopholes for gun show sales and elsewhere.

The support for such checks comes despite concerns about how that information could be applied. Forty-eight percent of voters surveyed said they believe information will be used by the government in the future to confiscate legally owned guns. Thirty-eight percent of respondents said they don't believe it will be used in that manner.

Additionally, 59 percent of respondents support an assault weapons ban, while 36 percent oppose it, the poll found. The administration and key gun-reform advocates in Congress have advocated a ban on assault weapons, although this currently has little chance of passage in Congress after it was separated from gun-reform legislation to be offered by Senate Democrats.

A ban on high-capacity magazines also earned a majority of support—58 to 38 percent—in the survey.

Quinnipiac's poll, which had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.4 percentage points, also touched on hot-button issues such as same-sex marriage, Obamacare, immigration and soda bans.

Support for same-sex marriage in Quinnipiac's research reached a 50 percent milestone in this most recent survey, and opposition to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's soda ban remains high. Opinions of Obamacare are more negative than positive, the poll found, with 46 percent opposing and 41 percent supporting the health care law. And a strong majority of Americans surveyed support enabling immigrants to apply for citizenship and remain in the United States.

 

grandma B

Pema_Jampa
by Celeste on Apr. 17, 2013 at 5:47 PM
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"We will not be defeated. We are not defeated and we will not be defeated." -- The father of a Newtown victim, speaking today about commonsense gun laws.
46 Senators--including 4 Democrats--just voted against background checks. Share this if you're as outraged as we are.
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