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Warrantless Searches In Boston?

Posted by on Apr. 19, 2013 at 5:43 PM
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Can the Police Search My Home for a Bomber?

Today in Watertown, Massachusetts, law enforcement officials are going from house to house with trained SWAT team snipers drawing a bead on any occupants and instructing those occupants to exit the houses so the police can enter and search the premises.

Is this constitutional?

No.

Contrary to this article posted on Slate.com, constitutional rights do not evaporate whenever the government decides they would be inconvenient. Police have no right to expel citizens from their homes or to engage in warrantless searches of those homes just because the government declares that an emergency exists.

The Fourth Amendment makes clear that people have a right for their persons and homes to be secure against unreasonable searches and seizures, and that judges must not issue warrants permitting the government to intrude upon someone's home unless there is a clear reason to believe that a specific thing or person will be found in a specific, identified location. The Washington Constitution is even more protective of citizens' rights, stating that "no person shall be disturbed in his private affairs, or his home invaded, without authority of law."

Courts have, by-and-large, allowed certain exceptions to these constitutional rules, such as if the police see a potential criminal enter someone's property and there is no time to obtain the warrant that would otherwise be necessary to follow the suspect. This is known as the "hot pursuit" doctrine. Courts also usually recognize an exception if police believe that intruding on a citizen's property is necessary to assist someone threatened with immediate harm or injury.

But these exceptions do not apply to the circumstances in Watertown. The police do not know where the suspected criminal is, and they have no reason to believe that he is in any specific house in Watertown. Neither do they have any reason to believe that any specific citizen of Watertown is in immediate danger of harm or injury. And, importantly, they also have no reason to believe that any specific citizen is harboring the suspect in their home.

Thus, this entire operation is one gigantic fishing expedition - and that is precisely the sort of thing forbidden by the Fourth Amendment and Article I, section 7 of the Washington Constitution.

The police can warn people to be on the lookout for the suspect. They can ask for permission to search a citizen's home. But unless they have clear reason to believe that the suspect is on a specific property and that he might escape in the time necessary to obtain a warrant, the police cannot constitutionally force citizens out of their homes or engage in a warrantless search of those homes.

I can hear some people now saying, "But surely these are special circumstances..."

They are not, and it is extremely dangerous for the very idea of constitutional liberty to presume that citizens may be stripped of their rights whenever the government declares it necessary. History teaches us that one exception breeds another, and that pattern will continue until the exceptions destroy the rule. Once the principles of liberty have been sacrificed, it is exceptionally difficult for them to be recovered. We must remain vigilant and steadfast in our protection of our rights, and we must not allow fear to lead us to abandon those rights.
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soonergirl980
by Member on Apr. 19, 2013 at 5:45 PM
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ok?

kcangel63
by Amanda on Apr. 19, 2013 at 5:49 PM
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It's unconstitutional. This just shows how screwed we would be if this was an organized group.

For now, we can cry "The Fed Coats Are Coming".


Quoting soonergirl980:

ok?

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Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Apr. 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM
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Suspending the rights of citizens seems to be one of the main goals of this administration, who by their own words will not let a good crisis go to waste. The people who are dealing with this need to stand up and say 'enough'. Find the guy, but do it legally.

soonergirl980
by Member on Apr. 19, 2013 at 5:55 PM
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I haven't seen anyone complain about being forced to have their homes searched. People are allowed to let their homes be searched. If it were me I would welcome them in and offer them something to drink.

Quoting kcangel63:

It's unconstitutional. This just shows how screwed we would be if this was an organized group.

For now, we can cry "The Fed Coats Are Coming".


Quoting soonergirl980:

ok?



kcangel63
by Amanda on Apr. 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM
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I'd tell them to park across the street, off my property. That they can come in when they have a legal search warrant.

Quoting soonergirl980:


I haven't seen anyone complain about being forced to have their homes searched. People are allowed to let their homes be searched. If it were me I would welcome them in and offer them something to drink.


Quoting kcangel63:

It's unconstitutional. This just shows how screwed we would be if this was an organized group.



For now, we can cry "The Fed Coats Are Coming".




Quoting soonergirl980:

ok?




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Erinelizz
by Bronze Member on Apr. 19, 2013 at 6:21 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Are people saying no to the searches but are being searched anyway? Or are people happy to help?

Quoting soonergirl980:


I haven't seen anyone complain about being forced to have their homes searched. People are allowed to let their homes be searched. If it were me I would welcome them in and offer them something to drink.


Quoting kcangel63:

It's unconstitutional. This just shows how screwed we would be if this was an organized group.



For now, we can cry "The Fed Coats Are Coming".




Quoting soonergirl980:

ok?




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JoshRachelsMAMA
by JRM on Apr. 19, 2013 at 6:24 PM
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I thought of this. I hope it's brought up.

There are other circumstances which fall under other emergency exceptions, not just hot pursuit. The writer does not know what the police know. Nor are the police obligated to tell the public what they know.

Quoting Erinelizz:I was thinking the same thing. Are people saying no to the searches but are being searched anyway? Or are people happy to help?

Quoting soonergirl980:I haven't seen anyone complain about being forced to have their homes searched. People are allowed to let their homes be searched. If it were me I would welcome them in and offer them something to drink.
Quoting kcangel63:It's unconstitutional. This just shows how screwed we would be if this was an organized group.

For now, we can cry "The Fed Coats Are Coming".

Quoting soonergirl980:ok?
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kcangel63
by Amanda on Apr. 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM
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Would you have the guts to say no?

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LIMom1105
by on Apr. 19, 2013 at 6:44 PM
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OMG, so you want them to get search warrants for every apartment and home in Watertown? Do you realize how much time that would take? Meanwhile, he could slip away or blow up something else.

Gripe all you want, but I would gladly let them search my home to find this guy. I don't think it's unreasonable under the circumstances.
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kcangel63
by Amanda on Apr. 19, 2013 at 6:46 PM
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I think that they should follow the law.

Quoting LIMom1105:

OMG, so you want them to get search warrants for every apartment and home in Watertown? Do you realize how much time that would take? Meanwhile, he could slip away or blow up something else.



Gripe all you want, but I would gladly let them search my home to find this guy. I don't think it's unreasonable under the circumstances.
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