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Witness Makes Key Admission That He Never Saw Trayvon Martin Throw A Punch At Zimmerman

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Witness Makes Key Admission That He Never Saw Trayvon Martin Throw A Punch At Zimmerman

On day five of George Zimmerman’s trial for the death of Trayvon Martin, a key witness who previously claimed to have seen Martin “throwing down blows” admitted he never saw an actual punch thrown. This admission from John Good could undermine Zimmerman’s claim he shot 17-year-old Martin in reasonable self-defense.

According to the original police report, Good claimed he had seen a black male pinning Zimmerman down “just throwing down blows on the guy, MMA [mixed-martial arts] style.” But on Friday, Good told jurors he “could not see” any punches thrown, only that there was “downward movement.” He also admitted he was not 100 percent sure who yelled “help,” but assumed it was Zimmerman. It is not the first time Good has changed his account of the night Martin died. Three weeks after the incident, Good told a special prosecutor he couldn’t truly tell who yelled for help “because it was so dark out on that sidewalk.”

The reliability of witness testimony has been a major focus for both the defense and state prosecution in the trial. Zimmerman’s defense attorneys have tried to highlight inconsistencies of another witness, 19-year-old Rachel Jeantel, who was on the phone with Martin moments before the shooting. Asked repeatedly by Zimmerman’s attorney Don West why she lied about her reason for not attending Martin’s wake, Jeantel admitted she did not want to see his body. “You. Got. To. Un. Der. Stand,” Jeantel said. “I’m the last person—you don’t know how I felt. You think I really want to go see the body after I just talked to him?”

by on Jun. 28, 2013 at 2:57 PM
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Carpy
by Platinum Member on Jun. 30, 2013 at 7:13 AM
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That last statement goes both ways. There are good arguments to be made from both sides, and all points have to be considered to have a fair trial.  She has been slammed hard and called all kinds of names, and some of her points are quite compelling, just as some of the Trayvon supporters points are.

I am not a die hard for either side, but I am believing the state has a weak case, and Z will have a good chance of walking, with the evidence so far.

Quoting Luvnlogic:

The way you've interpreted the evidence is due to your bias in the case...you're human, that's how we work. The ability to separate that initial bias from the facts presented is what makes a good juror. Since I've yet to see you objectively consider anything other than GZ is innocent and should sue the pants off of everyone involved, I don't know that you fit that description. I don't consider myself a TM supporter per se as much as I'm a believer that GZ's actions caused a death, intended or not. He needs to have a consequence more severe than one interview with the police over it in order to have justice truly be served. I can't say, and neither can anyone else, exactly what happened that night. Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable, especially in violent situations on rainy nights, and their stories haven't exactly been consistent. Just like the dude in the article first saying he saw TM raining down punches in an MMA style (odd since GZ was the one taking MMA classes) and now says he's not sure of that. But to generalize all TM supporters as ignorant of the facts because they disagree is a little arrogant, don't ya think?

Quoting Naturewoman4:

Thing is and I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but the TM supporters never did look at the evidence and EYE witnesses that supports GZ claims. They just said since he got out of his SUV, followed TM, therefore he killed TM. Skipping everything else in between. It's what they believe and therefore what they believe should happen to GZ. Not caring about any of that evidence and TWO EYE witnesses in this case, (the ONLY EYE witnesses that supports GZ claims btw). Honestly, I think I could be on this trial. I believe I have looked at this case at all angles. As a Juror I would look at ALL the evidence, witnesses and would go by the EYE witnesses the most because THEY were at least right there towards the end of this confrontation, then the gunshot went off. For me, the fact that the State's witnesses (those two girls) lied well wouldn't go over very well to me. O'Mara/West exposed them to their lies, which doesn't fair well for the State. Honestly, I have no idea how ANY TM supporters could think it's going well for them. In all do respect.





Quoting Luvnlogic:

The thing with this trial is everyone who supports GZ thinks everything points to a win for him and everyone who supports TM thinks it's going their way. I would NOT want to be on this jury.



Minnow Slayer

survivorinohio
by Rene on Jun. 30, 2013 at 8:09 AM

He left his vehicle to pursue trayvon.  Even if he was getting his ass kicked it doesnt make it ok to kill someone, If I killed everyone who punched me in my earlier life there would be a lot of bodies ( I grew up in a rough neighborhood.)

Luvnlogic
by on Jun. 30, 2013 at 8:14 AM
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The state over shot its evidence by charging murder 2...and for that, he'll prob walk. If he walks, the TMers will say it proves there's still racism in the legal system. If he's convicted, GZers will say he was sacrificed to prevent riots and satisfy the angry mob (they're already saying that). There's no satisfying outcome in this case :(

Quoting Carpy:

That last statement goes both ways. There are good arguments to be made from both sides, and all points have to be considered to have a fair trial.  She has been slammed hard and called all kinds of names, and some of her points are quite compelling, just as some of the Trayvon supporters points are.

I am not a die hard for either side, but I am believing the state has a weak case, and Z will have a good chance of walking, with the evidence so far.

Quoting Luvnlogic:

The way you've interpreted the evidence is due to your bias in the case...you're human, that's how we work. The ability to separate that initial bias from the facts presented is what makes a good juror. Since I've yet to see you objectively consider anything other than GZ is innocent and should sue the pants off of everyone involved, I don't know that you fit that description. I don't consider myself a TM supporter per se as much as I'm a believer that GZ's actions caused a death, intended or not. He needs to have a consequence more severe than one interview with the police over it in order to have justice truly be served. I can't say, and neither can anyone else, exactly what happened that night. Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable, especially in violent situations on rainy nights, and their stories haven't exactly been consistent. Just like the dude in the article first saying he saw TM raining down punches in an MMA style (odd since GZ was the one taking MMA classes) and now says he's not sure of that. But to generalize all TM supporters as ignorant of the facts because they disagree is a little arrogant, don't ya think?



Quoting Naturewoman4:

Thing is and I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but the TM supporters never did look at the evidence and EYE witnesses that supports GZ claims. They just said since he got out of his SUV, followed TM, therefore he killed TM. Skipping everything else in between. It's what they believe and therefore what they believe should happen to GZ. Not caring about any of that evidence and TWO EYE witnesses in this case, (the ONLY EYE witnesses that supports GZ claims btw). Honestly, I think I could be on this trial. I believe I have looked at this case at all angles. As a Juror I would look at ALL the evidence, witnesses and would go by the EYE witnesses the most because THEY were at least right there towards the end of this confrontation, then the gunshot went off. For me, the fact that the State's witnesses (those two girls) lied well wouldn't go over very well to me. O'Mara/West exposed them to their lies, which doesn't fair well for the State. Honestly, I have no idea how ANY TM supporters could think it's going well for them. In all do respect.










Quoting Luvnlogic:

The thing with this trial is everyone who supports GZ thinks everything points to a win for him and everyone who supports TM thinks it's going their way. I would NOT want to be on this jury.




JoJoBean8
by Silver Member on Jul. 2, 2013 at 11:37 AM

He said TM was on top. Doesn't matter if he saw a punch. TM was attacking him. GZ defended himself. 

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