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Think New Laws Restricting Abortion Access Don't Affect You? Think Again.

Posted by on Jul. 4, 2013 at 8:13 AM
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Think New Laws Restricting Abortion Access Don't Affect You? Think Again.

by Maressa Brown

gov. kasich signing budget abortion lawsWhile people were sitting down to eat dinner on Sunday night in Ohio, Governor John Kasich signed a $62 billion-dollar state budget, which wouldn't really have been all that big a deal to the rest of the country ... if it weren't for the fact that hidden inside that budget were the most restrictive abortion laws in the country, buried into the budget at the final hour by state Republicans. Yup, Ohio now has the most extreme abortion laws in the U.S. -- but they were not written or approved of by the people or for the people.

Not only are the laws attacking Planned Parenthood -- stripping $1.4 million from federal funding -- but here we go again with the mandatory ultrasound and government interference with rape counseling! Forget what doctors and counselors actually want to say to their patients. They'll have to say what the state tells 'em to now. And while they're at it, they now need to redefine "pregnancy" and "fetus" and, by corollary, birth control, according to the legislature.

Yes, the omnibus of provisions also redefines pregnancy and fetus, and under these definitions, many types of birth control -- like IUDs -- will be considered a form of abortion. Thus, if you want birth control, you may need to contend with mandatory ultrasounds and lectures that women seeking abortions are going to be required to undergo, as well.

Abortion providers would have to administer a transvaginal ultrasound to all women seeking abortions (or birth control), and then tell them about the anatomical and physiological characteristics of a fetus at various stages of its development, as well as adoption and alternative family planning options. Then, if you are able to get an abortion, but you develop some sort of medical issue during the procedure, clinics cannot refer you to a public hospital for the care you need. It's gotta be a private one. Some clinics aren't anywhere near a private hospital, so they'll have to close their doors.

And wait, there's more! Rape crisis clinic counselors cannot tell sexual assault victims about abortions. If they do, they could lose public funding. Completely sick and INSANE!

Ohio Democrats like Rep. Connie Pillich agree that had the measures gone through the normal committee protest and been subject to public scrutiny, they would have had to face the outrage of many opposed Ohioans. They probably had visions of what's going on in Texas with Wendy Davis and "the citizens' filibuster" right now dancing in their heads. And by golly, they would stand for none of that. So they just made up Ohioans' minds for them.

Even if you support these extreme measures, how can ANY American support blatant backdoor politics like this? In which controversial laws are buried in a state budget so that there's absolutely no room for debate? To say it's egregious and horrifyingly counter to our democratic values and system is an understatement.

So, now what? Ohio Dems cannot exercise their right to referendum on these draconian measures -- which go into effect on MONDAY, by the way -- because they are in the budget bill. She says the only hope now is that Democrats are elected to Ohio statewide offices, so they can make things right.

For more info, check out Rachel Maddow's analysis and interview with Rep. Pillich ...

How do you feel about these extreme measures being passed sneakily at the last minute in a budget without any sort of debate or input from the Ohio public?

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29again
by Gold Member on Jul. 4, 2013 at 12:53 PM

You got a link to the budget?  I would like to see it.  I would like to see what Kasich signed, rather than hear what Madcow thinks of it. 

blues_pagan
by on Jul. 4, 2013 at 5:42 PM

How is that "small government" working out for you Republicans?  Is it only small when it comes to big business and banks?  Seems that way especially when it comes to what a woman can do with her body.

29again
by Gold Member on Jul. 4, 2013 at 6:04 PM
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Quoting blues_pagan:

How is that "small government" working out for you Republicans?  Is it only small when it comes to big business and banks?  Seems that way especially when it comes to what a woman can do with her body.

And what exactly can you NOT do that you once could?  Abort a viable pregnancy at 26 weeks, 28 weeks, 32 weeks???  And just why would the ability to do that make you more of a woman?  I think that this whole "women's rights" agenda is so much BS.  HOW does it make you more of a woman, how do you keep "rights" merely by being legally able to kill the baby inside you?  Why are some women so hell bent on destroying the future of this country by thinking it is absolutely normal to kill off the next generation?  Why is it so important that abortion on demand (with no oop cost to the so-called mother) such an important right that must NEVER EVER EVER be diminished in any way?

What is wrong with an US before you kill the baby?  Maybe because you know that once you realize that that baby has a heartbeat and is alive you won't be able to abort it with no emotion, like you are just clipping your toenails.  The claims that women in OH are losing their rights is just propaganda.  You are concerned that women are losing their rights?  What about the babies that are losing their lives?  I thought that the democratic party, the party of the everyday man, was more concerned with the well being of those who have no voice.  I thought wrong.  They are not, they are more concerned with promoting evil in this country.

I found this great article by Kirsten Powers, a democrat.  She states things quite well, even though this is in reference to the situation in TX.

susan115
by on Jul. 4, 2013 at 7:08 PM
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Blues_Pagan, you do know that the banks and the failure is that from the left.  Dodd and Frank to be extact.  Get your facts straight.  If you liberal women are so, so, so smart why are you always talking about abortion?  Why not talk about ways to prevent and if you are not ready or want to get pregant better yet, talk to a doctor.  That is what you should be talking about.  But, then again, talking about thinking before doing means using critical thinking skills.  Abortions should be available but I am sick of listening to liberals not speaking the truth!

Again, if it is your body, why not be smart and not get pregant to begin with, wouldn't that be the wise choice. I am not saying to ban abortion just stop the silly talk about "my body". 


Quoting blues_pagan:

How is that "small government" working out for you Republicans?  Is it only small when it comes to big business and banks?  Seems that way especially when it comes to what a woman can do with her body.



blues_pagan
by on Jul. 4, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Republicans are the ones who are out to deregulate businesses more.  We see how deregualation has gone so far.

And when I talk about Pro-choice that comes with education, birth control and access to health care so all of this is possible.  Not all people who are pro-choice only advocate for abortions.  

So if you, a conservative woman, are so, so, so smart then get your facts straight.

Quoting susan115:

Blues_Pagan, you do know that the banks and the failure is that from the left.  Dodd and Frank to be extact.  Get your facts straight.  If you liberal women are so, so, so smart why are you always talking about abortion?  Why not talk about ways to prevent and if you are not ready or want to get pregant better yet, talk to a doctor.  That is what you should be talking about.  But, then again, talking about thinking before doing means using critical thinking skills.  Abortions should be available but I am sick of listening to liberals not speaking the truth!

Again, if it is your body, why not be smart and not get pregant to begin with, wouldn't that be the wise choice. I am not saying to ban abortion just stop the silly talk about "my body". 


Quoting blues_pagan:

How is that "small government" working out for you Republicans?  Is it only small when it comes to big business and banks?  Seems that way especially when it comes to what a woman can do with her body.




blues_pagan
by on Jul. 4, 2013 at 7:22 PM

You are making this a personal thing. And I find it sick that you are ok with guilting a woman into keeping a fetus that she doesn't want.  As if the depression and anxiety some women face during pregnancy isn't enough now you are forcing her to see things the way you want her to see them.  I find that sad.

It doesn't make anyone more of a woman.  Just like pregnancy doesn't make me or you more of a woman.  And if you think we are "killing off the next generation" then tell me why there are thousands of unwanted children in the foster care system in America alone.  

You are looking at it too plainly.  Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion.  It means that a woman should have the choice to do with her body and her health as she sees fit.  That means access to birth control, sex education, health care and if she needs it or deems it necessary in her life an abortion.


Quoting 29again:


Quoting blues_pagan:

How is that "small government" working out for you Republicans?  Is it only small when it comes to big business and banks?  Seems that way especially when it comes to what a woman can do with her body.

And what exactly can you NOT do that you once could?  Abort a viable pregnancy at 26 weeks, 28 weeks, 32 weeks???  And just why would the ability to do that make you more of a woman?  I think that this whole "women's rights" agenda is so much BS.  HOW does it make you more of a woman, how do you keep "rights" merely by being legally able to kill the baby inside you?  Why are some women so hell bent on destroying the future of this country by thinking it is absolutely normal to kill off the next generation?  Why is it so important that abortion on demand (with no oop cost to the so-called mother) such an important right that must NEVER EVER EVER be diminished in any way?

What is wrong with an US before you kill the baby?  Maybe because you know that once you realize that that baby has a heartbeat and is alive you won't be able to abort it with no emotion, like you are just clipping your toenails.  The claims that women in OH are losing their rights is just propaganda.  You are concerned that women are losing their rights?  What about the babies that are losing their lives?  I thought that the democratic party, the party of the everyday man, was more concerned with the well being of those who have no voice.  I thought wrong.  They are not, they are more concerned with promoting evil in this country.

I found this great article by Kirsten Powers, a democrat.  She states things quite well, even though this is in reference to the situation in TX.


susan115
by on Jul. 4, 2013 at 7:32 PM
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I, honestly, don't see any problem with deregulation businesses.  We had a much stronger economy when we deregulated, my opinion, some regulation is fine, but THE DEMS STARTED the banking problem, yes they did.    I have never had you say education should come from a pro choice stance.  Usually, just making fun of us republicans for being pro life.  Republicans are all about responsibility and we would never say a woman should not have an abortion if her life was in danger.  Same goes for a scared teenage girl.  But, liberals keep taunting that it is "My body, my choice"  which, to me, means stupid women.  I have never in the last 6 yrs. have heard liberal women stating "talk to a doctor" instead you put Sandra Fluke a spokes woman for you.  She is not very bright in this subject.  I do use critical thinking skills and I know that sex can make my pregant, I knew that at 14 yrs.  So, please, just give this up.


Quoting blues_pagan:

Republicans are the ones who are out to deregulate businesses more.  We see how deregualation has gone so far.

And when I talk about Pro-choice that comes with education, birth control and access to health care so all of this is possible.  Not all people who are pro-choice only advocate for abortions.  

So if you, a conservative woman, are so, so, so smart then get your facts straight.

Quoting susan115:

Blues_Pagan, you do know that the banks and the failure is that from the left.  Dodd and Frank to be extact.  Get your facts straight.  If you liberal women are so, so, so smart why are you always talking about abortion?  Why not talk about ways to prevent and if you are not ready or want to get pregant better yet, talk to a doctor.  That is what you should be talking about.  But, then again, talking about thinking before doing means using critical thinking skills.  Abortions should be available but I am sick of listening to liberals not speaking the truth!

Again, if it is your body, why not be smart and not get pregant to begin with, wouldn't that be the wise choice. I am not saying to ban abortion just stop the silly talk about "my body". 


Quoting blues_pagan:

How is that "small government" working out for you Republicans?  Is it only small when it comes to big business and banks?  Seems that way especially when it comes to what a woman can do with her body.






JTROX
by Bronze Member on Jul. 4, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Leaving for fireworks.  Checking this out later.

AuntieL333
by Member on Jul. 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM
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It amazes me that so many women seem to be quite okay with how stupid republicans think they are. They must make decisions for us because we are too stupid to do it by ourselves. Wake up ladies!! Every inch they gain makes them greedy for more. They will not stop until life begins at the erection. They don't seem to realize that we don't need a mandatory wait before an abortion to think about it...by the time a woman reaches their door they have done little besides think about it. Insurance has no problem paying for Viagra and Cialis or penis pumps but we can't be trusted to see to our own needs. The penis must NEVER be allowed to die and women must never be able to have a say in what our uteruses do. They cry for small government yet they want it big enough to get into my uterus. If we fail to stand up against them, regardless of what side of the abortion issue you are on, we will find them trying to control more and more of our lives.

blues_pagan
by on Jul. 4, 2013 at 7:46 PM

I am about to go enjoy my 4th the best I can since we are under a flood warning.  I will get back to you on this later.

Quoting susan115:

I, honestly, don't see any problem with deregulation businesses.  We had a much stronger economy when we deregulated, my opinion, some regulation is fine, but THE DEMS STARTED the banking problem, yes they did.    I have never had you say education should come from a pro choice stance.  Usually, just making fun of us republicans for being pro life.  Republicans are all about responsibility and we would never say a woman should not have an abortion if her life was in danger.  Same goes for a scared teenage girl.  But, liberals keep taunting that it is "My body, my choice"  which, to me, means stupid women.  I have never in the last 6 yrs. have heard liberal women stating "talk to a doctor" instead you put Sandra Fluke a spokes woman for you.  She is not very bright in this subject.  I do use critical thinking skills and I know that sex can make my pregant, I knew that at 14 yrs.  So, please, just give this up.


Quoting blues_pagan:

Republicans are the ones who are out to deregulate businesses more.  We see how deregualation has gone so far.

And when I talk about Pro-choice that comes with education, birth control and access to health care so all of this is possible.  Not all people who are pro-choice only advocate for abortions.  

So if you, a conservative woman, are so, so, so smart then get your facts straight.

Quoting susan115:

Blues_Pagan, you do know that the banks and the failure is that from the left.  Dodd and Frank to be extact.  Get your facts straight.  If you liberal women are so, so, so smart why are you always talking about abortion?  Why not talk about ways to prevent and if you are not ready or want to get pregant better yet, talk to a doctor.  That is what you should be talking about.  But, then again, talking about thinking before doing means using critical thinking skills.  Abortions should be available but I am sick of listening to liberals not speaking the truth!

Again, if it is your body, why not be smart and not get pregant to begin with, wouldn't that be the wise choice. I am not saying to ban abortion just stop the silly talk about "my body". 


Quoting blues_pagan:

How is that "small government" working out for you Republicans?  Is it only small when it comes to big business and banks?  Seems that way especially when it comes to what a woman can do with her body.







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