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McCain: I Don't Know How Many Passports We Let You Forge in the Immigration bill

Posted by on Jul. 18, 2013 at 10:56 PM
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July 18, 2013 - 3:19 PM

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Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), a member of the “Gang of Eight” that helped write and pass the immigration reform bill in that chamber, said he did not know how many passports a person could forge under the proposed law before being charged with a crime.

On Capitol Hill on Wednesday, a reporter asked McCain, “Senator McCain, can I ask you a question about the Senate immigration bill? Under the bill, how many passports can someone forge before it becomes a crime?”

McCain said,  “You’re going to have to ask our folks that, I don't think that we stand for any forgeries."


The reporter followed-up, “Can you tell me why that would be part of the bill in the first place?”

McCain answered, “ I cannot tell you that it is part of the bill."

In the legislation that passed in the Senate, Section 1541 "Trafficking in Passports," it explains in detail that a person can be charged for a crime if they forge "3 or more passports," meaning that they potentially would not be charged if they falsely made only one or two passports. The criminal charges and penalties do not kick in until after "3 or more passports" are falsely made, issued, or transferred, etcetera.

As the legislation states,  “any person who, during any period of 3 years or less, knowingly – (1) and without lawful authority produces, issues, or transfers 3 or more passports; (2) forges, counterfeits, alters, or falsely makes 3 or more passports; (3) secures, possesses, uses, receives, buys, sells, or distributes 3 or more passports, knowing the passports to be forged, counterfeited, altered, falsely made, stolen, procured by fraud, or produced or issued without lawful authority; or (4) completes, mails, prepares, presents, signs, or submits 3 or more applications for a United States passport, knowing the applications to contain any materially false statement or representation, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20  years, or both.”

The immigration reform bill passed in the Senate on June 27 with a 68-32 vote. All 52 Democrats, 2 independents, and 14 Republican senators voted in favor of the legislation, including Sens. McCain, Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Jeff Chisea (N.J.), Susan Collins (Me.), Bob Corker (Tenn.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Orrin Hatch (Utah), Dean Heller (Nev.), John Hoeven (N.D.), Mark Kirk (Ill.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Marco Rubio (Fla.).

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gsprofval
by Gold Member on Jul. 18, 2013 at 11:00 PM
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How stupid is that? Isn't the first fake passport a crime?  And once, again, go straight to the top for the fake passport and social security numbers as crimes.

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Jul. 18, 2013 at 11:19 PM
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No - I think they get to do multiple forgings and also lie three times under oath.

This is crazy!!


Quoting gsprofval:

How stupid is that? Isn't the first fake passport a crime?  And once, again, go straight to the top for the fake passport and social security numbers as crimes.



Ednarooni160
by Eds on Jul. 19, 2013 at 12:03 AM
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there are no words.  smh

-Celestial-
by Platinum Member on Jul. 19, 2013 at 12:08 AM
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Quote:

On Capitol Hill on Wednesday, a reporter asked McCain, “Senator McCain, can I ask you a question about the Senate immigration bill? Under the bill, how many passports can someone forge before it becomes a crime?”

McCain said,  “You’re going to have to ask our folks that, I don't think that we stand for any forgeries."


The reporter followed-up, “Can you tell me why that would be part of the bill in the first place?”

 

McCain answered, “ I cannot tell you that it is part of the bill."

Reading comphrension is lacking in some folks. It clearly says McCain is against forgeries and when asked if McCain could tell him about it being in the bill, McCain plainly says he CANNOT tell him because it obviously isn't in it.

29again
by Gold Member on Jul. 19, 2013 at 12:44 AM
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Sounds like someone is parsing words....

He helped create the bill.  He damn well knows what is in it.  And then for him to act as if he knew nothing about it, puh-lease.  We are not that stupid.

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Jul. 19, 2013 at 2:21 AM
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Negative. You know, ironically, some people lack comprehension skills. Let's try reading that again, shall we?


Quoting -Celestial-:


Quote:

On Capitol Hill on Wednesday, a reporter asked McCain, “Senator McCain, can I ask you a question about the Senate immigration bill? Under the bill, how many passports can someone forge before it becomes a crime?”

McCain said,  “You’re going to have to ask our folks that, I don't think that we stand for any forgeries."


The reporter followed-up, “Can you tell me why that would be part of the bill in the first place?”

 

McCain answered, “ I cannot tell you that it is part of the bill."

Reading comphrension is lacking in some folks. It clearly says McCain is against forgeries and when asked if McCain could tell him about it being in the bill, McCain plainly says he CANNOT tell him because it obviously isn't in it.



Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Jul. 19, 2013 at 9:43 AM

It too bad that we wern't fighting Islam in Vietnam, they would have just cut his head off, and we woudn't have been stuck with this idiot for the next 50 years.

gsprofval
by Gold Member on Jul. 19, 2013 at 11:04 PM
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Reading comprehension is definitely missing for some folks as the article CLEARLY says this:

 "As the legislation states,  “any person who, during any period of 3 years or less, knowingly – (1) and without lawful authority produces, issues, or transfers 3 or more passports; (2) forges, counterfeits, alters, or falsely makes 3 or more passports; (3) secures, possesses, uses, receives, buys, sells, or distributes 3 or more passports, knowing the passports to be forged, counterfeited, altered, falsely made, stolen, procured by fraud, or produced or issued without lawful authority; or (4) completes, mails, prepares, presents, signs, or submits 3 or more applications for a United States passport, knowing the applications to contain any materially false statement or representation, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20  years, or both.”


Quoting -Celestial-:

 

Quote:

On Capitol Hill on Wednesday, a reporter asked McCain, “Senator McCain, can I ask you a question about the Senate immigration bill? Under the bill, how many passports can someone forge before it becomes a crime?”

McCain said,  “You’re going to have to ask our folks that, I don't think that we stand for any forgeries."


The reporter followed-up, “Can you tell me why that would be part of the bill in the first place?”

 

McCain answered, “ I cannot tell you that it is part of the bill."

Reading comphrension is lacking in some folks. It clearly says McCain is against forgeries and when asked if McCain could tell him about it being in the bill, McCain plainly says he CANNOT tell him because it obviously isn't in it.


 

Luvnlogic
by on Jul. 20, 2013 at 9:55 PM
Apparently, Rubio didn't know the answer either. What the heck? Sure, these guys "wrote" it...pshht!
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