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Selective Moral Outrage over Zimmerman Verdict?

Posted by on Jul. 24, 2013 at 5:53 PM
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Last night I was watching Hannity FoxNews show, he was speaking to Tara Dowdell a Dem. Strategist. I wanted to listen carefully to what Tara Dowdell had to say, because I do care about what the other side to this case has to say and I wanted to listen to her carefully so I can understand. She made some good points, saying that blacks feel deeply hurt over the verdict. They feel like their lives aren't valued. I do take what she said seriously and it's how THEY feel inside. So, we all can't dismiss this. But, why blacks chose this case I still don't understand. I think I could take them a lot more serious if they did express these feelings and went out to protest, but in a totally different types of circumstances. This case was NOT racial. Also, ISN'T GZ's Civil Rights being violated right now? For being forced into hiding and the treats to his life. foxnewsinsider.com/tag/tara-dowdell
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Naturewoman4
by Silver Member on Jul. 24, 2013 at 6:05 PM
Tara Dowdell also started mentioning, in a angry tone, about GZ having two domestic cases against him. Doesn't she even care that it is not on his record, and both him and his ex BOTH were granted restraining orders against one another? Then, she brought up GZ assaulting a police officer. Yet, does she care that again those charges were dropped? That I believe he just shoved an under-cover police officer. Maybe, it's just me but if your in a bar and you see a person harassing your friend, NOT knowing he's an officer, well I would think a lot of people would do the same. Yet, Tara just wanted to basically call him a woman beater and assaults police officer? Then Hannity said ok then can we bring up TM's background, she then went silent. When mentioning the OJ case, she didn't seem outraged with that verdict. But, she did say that if a man can put his hands on a woman, then she believes they can kill someone. She said the jurors found O.J. not guilty, so obviously they didn't feel he killed two people. But, it seems like she speaks a different way when it comes to this case. When Hannity spoke about the huge amount of evidence that GZ is NOT racist, she said "well I believe someone can be situational pre-judged racist". What does that mean? I guess it means that a person can live their whole life being around blacks and not even thinking about any racism. That they can have a black great-grandmother, take a black woman to the prom, tutor black youth on your weekends, stand up AGAINST the Standford police because they beat up a homeless black man, have black friends, yet on that day, that moment GZ WAS racist? Because, he previously had called on other black youths, so I guess that means your racist. If anyone calls on a black person, remember we're racist too.
lylalane7275
by Silver Member on Jul. 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM
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She said "it hurt me inside, it hurt AA inside".  She was not interested in any of the facts, it was about her and her race.  She could not separate herself and understand what was being explained to her.  She clearly feels it's us against them.  How can we ever come together if this is how many feel.

Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Jul. 24, 2013 at 8:33 PM
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I am lily white and am outraged that a person can orchestrate their own crime and when their innocent, wrongly targeted victims attempt to defend themselves, they lose all legal protection.  SYG needs to go- Had TM lived, GZ would have likely been convicted of "attempted" manslaughter or murder.

Luvnlogic
by on Jul. 24, 2013 at 8:40 PM
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She should care that Z's offenses were conveniently dropped, but there are many on here, OP included, still asking questions about TM's non-arrest record? One had run-ins with the law as an adult, the other had school disciplinary actions as a minor. Pointing out that she went silent over TM's actions is the same as you excusing GZ's record but making posts asking more questions about the dead kids pre-shooting life.
grandmab125
by Ruby Member on Jul. 24, 2013 at 8:45 PM
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 You really do wallow in that 'white guilt' shit.

Quoting Sisteract:

I am lily white and am outraged that a person can orchestrate their own crime and when their innocent, wrongly targeted victims attempt to defend themselves, they lose all legal protection.  SYG needs to go- Had TM lived, GZ would have likely been convicted of "attempted" manslaughter or murder.

 

grandma B

Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Jul. 24, 2013 at 10:39 PM
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I find it hard to believe that you are a wife, mother, grandmother-


Quoting grandmab125:

 You really do wallow in that 'white guilt' shit.

Quoting Sisteract:

I am lily white and am outraged that a person can orchestrate their own crime and when their innocent, wrongly targeted victims attempt to defend themselves, they lose all legal protection.  SYG needs to go- Had TM lived, GZ would have likely been convicted of "attempted" manslaughter or murder.

 


Naturewoman4
by Silver Member on Jul. 24, 2013 at 11:25 PM
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No, she intentionally left out the part about GZ had no record. GZ and the ex BOTH had restraining orders against one another. Nothing on his record. Or the fact that he shoved a under-cover police. Again, nothing on his record. She made it sound like he was a woman beater and assaults police officer. Since, she went there with GZ, it was only fair that Hannity would also go to TM's history. TM's were recent, GZ was when he was younger. TM should be of been arrested many times. #1 - Selling and smoking pot #2 - having a bag full of women's jewelry and a screwdriver (burglary) #3 - Taking a swing at a bus driver, that was covered-up by the school. The woman quickly shut up when Hannity said ok let's talk about TM's history. Not to mention that gun he had, him into fighting, recording them, and having nude pictures of underage girls. It's scary and sad to think what TM would of been into doing by the time he was 21. I'm sure he would of been in prison. It's very sad that he died, and I truly wish he would of stopped before it turned deadly. But, sadly HE made that choice. I hope that TM's death sends a messege to ALL parents of youths. Dad's need to speak to their sons NOT to engage in the things TM was doing. Teach them NOT to go out looking for a fight, because that person could also have a gun to defend themselves and end up like TM. I hope this conversation is going on right now.
Quoting Luvnlogic:

She should care that Z's offenses were conveniently dropped, but there are many on here, OP included, still asking questions about TM's non-arrest record? One had run-ins with the law as an adult, the other had school disciplinary actions as a minor. Pointing out that she went silent over TM's actions is the same as you excusing GZ's record but making posts asking more questions about the dead kids pre-shooting life.

Analeigh2012
by Silver Member on Jul. 24, 2013 at 11:35 PM
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See how you sound like you are talking about a completely different case?  Just by twisting the evidence.  

Had TM lived, he would have been charged with a felony - aggravated assault - becaue even if he was "wrongly targeted" and questioned - that did not give him the right to be aggressive.  I do not believe either set out to kill someone that night, and it is very sad that TM lost his life.  But the evidence is the evidence and is the evidence.  No amount of outrage will change the facts in the case.  

Quoting Sisteract:

I am lily white and am outraged that a person can orchestrate their own crime and when their innocent, wrongly targeted victims attempt to defend themselves, they lose all legal protection.  SYG needs to go- Had TM lived, GZ would have likely been convicted of "attempted" manslaughter or murder.


Naturewoman4
by Silver Member on Jul. 24, 2013 at 11:43 PM
I agree with most of what you said, except GZ didn't 'wrongfully' target TM???? GZ was not on his neighborhood watch that night, he was going to Target. He notice TM just wandering around, in between houses and I believe one report was that TM was peering into a window of a house that was previously broken into, and also GZ said TM appeared to be on drugs or something. That's why GZ called 911. I just think a lot of us would of done the same thing, especially since there has been A LOT of breakins in that community recently. I'm going to be honest here, I would of called too.
Quoting Analeigh2012:

See how you sound like you are talking about a completely different case?  Just by twisting the evidence.  

Had TM lived, he would have been charged with a felony - aggravated assault - becaue even if he was "wrongly targeted" and questioned - that did not give him the right to be aggressive.  I do not believe either set out to kill someone that night, and it is very sad that TM lost his life.  But the evidence is the evidence and is the evidence.  No amount of outrage will change the facts in the case.  

Quoting Sisteract:

I am lily white and am outraged that a person can orchestrate their own crime and when their innocent, wrongly targeted victims attempt to defend themselves, they lose all legal protection.  SYG needs to go- Had TM lived, GZ would have likely been convicted of "attempted" manslaughter or murder.



grandmab125
by Ruby Member on Jul. 24, 2013 at 11:46 PM
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 And, I find it hard to believe that you are a human being.

Quoting Sisteract:

I find it hard to believe that you are a wife, mother, grandmother-

 

Quoting grandmab125:

 You really do wallow in that 'white guilt' shit.

Quoting Sisteract:

I am lily white and am outraged that a person can orchestrate their own crime and when their innocent, wrongly targeted victims attempt to defend themselves, they lose all legal protection.  SYG needs to go- Had TM lived, GZ would have likely been convicted of "attempted" manslaughter or murder.

 


 

grandma B

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