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The Muslim Brotherhood's Coptic Kristallnacht

Posted by on Aug. 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM
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Andrew Doran, writing at National Review, calls the current wave of anti-Coptic violence in Egypt a Coptic version of Kristallnacht:

The Muslim Brotherhood’s systematic and coordinated attacks against Christians in Egypt are reminiscent of Kristallnacht in Germany in 1938, when Nazi paramilitaries systematically vandalized Jewish homes, businesses, and synagogues and murdered scores of Jews in a disturbing foreshadowing of the fate of European Jews over the next few years. It is no accident that many Jews, including Barry Rubin and Jeffrey Goldberg, have been quick to raise the alarums over the persecution of Christians: They recognize the dangerous signs. “They have hatred in their hearts,” says Thabet of the Brotherhood, echoing observations commonly made of the National Socialists in 20th-century Germany.

The Brotherhood has been going on an orgy of destruction in revenge for the ouster of Mohamed Morsi. The property damage includes 40 churches and an unknown number of homes, businesses and cars belonging to Christians. In some cases the sites are marked with red paint and later burned.

Today there is a story of a group of nuns being marched "through the battle-torn streets of Cairo ‘like prisoners of war’" And as the Egyptian military attempts to quell this violence the Brotherhood manages to make itself out as the victims of violence in the media.

There have been voices in the media and in the region warning about the threat presented by the rise of the Brotherhood, but the Obama administration long ago placed all of its chips on the transformative power of political engagement with extremists. At the moment that is looking like a foolish bet.

Finally, it's worth noting that the religious persecution of Christians, mostly at the hands of Muslims, is an ongoing problem which is rarely recognized by western media.

by on Aug. 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM
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Ednarooni160
by Eds on Aug. 20, 2013 at 1:21 PM
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The Muslim Brotherhood’s systematic and coordinated attacks against Christians in Egypt are reminiscent of Kristallnacht in Germany in 1938, when Nazi paramilitaries systematically vandalized Jewish homes, businesses, and synagogues and murdered scores of Jews in a disturbing foreshadowing of the fate of European Jews over the next few years. It is no accident that many Jews, including Barry Rubin and Jeffrey Goldberg, have been quick to raise the alarums over the persecution of Christians:

History can repeat itself..make no mistake about that..

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 1:25 PM
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Interesting, isn't it? Two Jewish columnists standing up for Christians.

That's why my Egyptian friends left Egypt four years ago.


Quoting Ednarooni160:

The Muslim Brotherhood’s systematic and coordinated attacks against Christians in Egypt are reminiscent of Kristallnacht in Germany in 1938, when Nazi paramilitaries systematically vandalized Jewish homes, businesses, and synagogues and murdered scores of Jews in a disturbing foreshadowing of the fate of European Jews over the next few years. It is no accident that many Jews, including Barry Rubin and Jeffrey Goldberg, have been quick to raise the alarums over the persecution of Christians:

History can repeat itself..make no mistake about that..



Ednarooni160
by Eds on Aug. 20, 2013 at 1:30 PM



Quoting SallyMJ:

Interesting, isn't it? Two Jewish columnists standing up for Christians.

That's why my Egyptian friends left Egypt four years ago.


Quoting Ednarooni160:

The Muslim Brotherhood’s systematic and coordinated attacks against Christians in Egypt are reminiscent of Kristallnacht in Germany in 1938, when Nazi paramilitaries systematically vandalized Jewish homes, businesses, and synagogues and murdered scores of Jews in a disturbing foreshadowing of the fate of European Jews over the next few years. It is no accident that many Jews, including Barry Rubin and Jeffrey Goldberg, have been quick to raise the alarums over the persecution of Christians:

History can repeat itself..make no mistake about that..



I always wonder about the people from other countries who come here wanting a better life..just to find out that what they left may be coming to America.. My husband said his country was mostly dictators and he's seeing it happening here.


tnmomofive
by Silver Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM
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Quoting Ednarooni160:



Quoting SallyMJ:

Interesting, isn't it? Two Jewish columnists standing up for Christians.

That's why my Egyptian friends left Egypt four years ago.


Quoting Ednarooni160:

The Muslim Brotherhood’s systematic and coordinated attacks against Christians in Egypt are reminiscent of Kristallnacht in Germany in 1938, when Nazi paramilitaries systematically vandalized Jewish homes, businesses, and synagogues and murdered scores of Jews in a disturbing foreshadowing of the fate of European Jews over the next few years. It is no accident that many Jews, including Barry Rubin and Jeffrey Goldberg, have been quick to raise the alarums over the persecution of Christians:

History can repeat itself..make no mistake about that..



I always wonder about the people from other countries who come here wanting a better life..just to find out that what they left may be coming to America.. My husband said his country was mostly dictators and he's seeing it happening here.



I also believe that is the direction which we are headed.Look at all of the shit our politicians pull and yet people continue to vote them to remain in office...essentially saying DO IT SOME MORE! 

Clairwil
by Gold Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 2:49 PM

It sounds rather like Egypt is heading for all out civil war.  :-(

Given the hope people had during the Arab spring, we should be asking "What did they get right, what did they get wrong, and what would be the most effective policies for outside governments when that sort of situation happens again in the future?"

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 3:41 PM

That's the truth.

Where is your hubby from?


Quoting Ednarooni160:



Quoting SallyMJ:

Interesting, isn't it? Two Jewish columnists standing up for Christians.

That's why my Egyptian friends left Egypt four years ago.


Quoting Ednarooni160:

The Muslim Brotherhood’s systematic and coordinated attacks against Christians in Egypt are reminiscent of Kristallnacht in Germany in 1938, when Nazi paramilitaries systematically vandalized Jewish homes, businesses, and synagogues and murdered scores of Jews in a disturbing foreshadowing of the fate of European Jews over the next few years. It is no accident that many Jews, including Barry Rubin and Jeffrey Goldberg, have been quick to raise the alarums over the persecution of Christians:

History can repeat itself..make no mistake about that..



I always wonder about the people from other countries who come here wanting a better life..just to find out that what they left may be coming to America.. My husband said his country was mostly dictators and he's seeing it happening here.




SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Good point. I think what was wrong is: Who were the ones who took over during the Arab Spring?

In Egypt, it was the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization, who had previously been opposed by the government. In Libya, it was a terrorist group affiiated with Al Qaeda, who ended up murdering our Ambassador and 3 other Americans.

That's my thought, anyway. When you replace a dictator with a terrorist organization, things are not going to end well.


Quoting Clairwil:

It sounds rather like Egypt is heading for all out civil war.  :-(

Given the hope people had during the Arab spring, we should be asking "What did they get right, what did they get wrong, and what would be the most effective policies for outside governments when that sort of situation happens again in the future?"



Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Aug. 20, 2013 at 3:56 PM

 

There was no "Arab Spring".

Quoting Clairwil:

It sounds rather like Egypt is heading for all out civil war.  :-(

Given the hope people had during the Arab spring, we should be asking "What did they get right, what did they get wrong, and what would be the most effective policies for outside governments when that sort of situation happens again in the future?"


 

gludwig2000
by Gina on Aug. 20, 2013 at 9:36 PM
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I agree with Clairwil, that it looked like they wanted change for the better, but now? Lets hope that the belief that this is a repeat of Kristallnacht is wrong.
Ednarooni160
by Eds on Aug. 21, 2013 at 12:05 AM



Quoting SallyMJ:

That's the truth.

Where is your hubby from?


Quoting Ednarooni160:



Quoting SallyMJ:

Interesting, isn't it? Two Jewish columnists standing up for Christians.

That's why my Egyptian friends left Egypt four years ago.


Quoting Ednarooni160:

The Muslim Brotherhood’s systematic and coordinated attacks against Christians in Egypt are reminiscent of Kristallnacht in Germany in 1938, when Nazi paramilitaries systematically vandalized Jewish homes, businesses, and synagogues and murdered scores of Jews in a disturbing foreshadowing of the fate of European Jews over the next few years. It is no accident that many Jews, including Barry Rubin and Jeffrey Goldberg, have been quick to raise the alarums over the persecution of Christians:

History can repeat itself..make no mistake about that..



I always wonder about the people from other countries who come here wanting a better life..just to find out that what they left may be coming to America.. My husband said his country was mostly dictators and he's seeing it happening here.




Peru


Did you ever watch Law and order... Benjamin's mother is from Peru.. My husband's ancestors came from Spain and moved to Peru.  .



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