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Seems people don't like my views

And in turn will try to silence those views. This is an issue in America today. We have drawn a line in the sand and have effectively segregated ourselves. If you are not on "our" side then you are against "us". Each side vilifies the other while making it seem that they are in no way at fault for the issues that have arisen in the past years.
Then there are people like myself who stand in the middle and wonder why the US has gone bat shit crazy.
Extreme views from either side have become an issue today. From te left we have a leader who ha said time and time again that he will not negotiate with his own people. But he will negotiate with other countries while seeming to ignore the issues he is causing here. We har a majority leader in the senate who has snubbed his nose to anything but his way. Communication with the left has effectively been shut off.
But that isn't the only issue here. The right doesn't to get where they are the issue. Try have been hyper focused on one issue in the US and a small minority if them took out government hostage so that their demands would be met. The speaker for the house has effectively lost control of his own people and is being dictated by that minority.
If our fore fathers could see the atrocious behavior of both sides of the aisle they would be appalled. Many of them came from very different backgrounds and view points yet they were able to put together a country that was founded on liberties for everyone. Our Constitution is very clear on every aspect of how Anerica should run and operate but we have been so busy arguing with one another over which side is right that we have lost sight of what makes America strong. Working together despite our differences and realizing that each side has something of value to offer.
Now, I know many will simply read my title and jump from there without reading the OP. some will also report it an have it taken down as has been done with one of my posts. You may not like what I have to say but I will say this, calling for people to stop arguing and work together to fix our il issues isn't a bad thing. If you think by is you are probably part of te issue.
by on Oct. 11, 2013 at 12:18 PM
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SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Oct. 11, 2013 at 11:05 PM
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Agreement from some and Disagreement from other is what you generally get on political forums. We need to get used to it.

Yes, the Constitution is what we should be focused on.

But if you think the Founders didn't disagree on a LOT - even on the Constitution - you would be mistaken.

Politics has been messy since the founding of the Republic.

What is different now is that the media, academia, and entertainment have taken a public position, so the loud voices say that liberalism is right and conservatism is wrong. It used to be that both were OK.

gludwig2000
by Gina on Oct. 11, 2013 at 11:34 PM
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So you believe that an elected official is supposed to vote with his constituents in mind, no matter what, even when he knows things that they may know, and so knows that it would be better for America as a whole, to vote his heart, knowledge and conscience? I believe that when they take the oath to serve, they make a vow to ALL of the people of America, not just the ones who voted for them. I seriously don't understand why this is so hard for everyone. I believe that once they take office, it is their duty to do what is best for America as a whole, not just what is best for some.
Quoting Kathy489:

 I don't understand what this means. The elected officials are, indeed, supposed to represent the people who voted for them. That is the way the system works. This is a republic. We elect people to represent us. And it is not a select few, or else they wouldn't have gotten elected. They won by the majority of the votes in their districts. They are supposed to go to Washington to represent their districts. Please let me know if I am misunderstanding something.


Quoting gludwig2000:

I agree with what you have written. It is wrong, imo, to try to shut down the governemnt to get your way. Our elected officials are to work for every American once they are in office, not just the select few who have voted for them. This fighting must stop, but ya know, so many people don't care what effect this has on our country and her people, as long as they get what they want. It is government for the people, not just some of them.


 

Friday
by Platinum Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 12:08 AM


Quoting susan115:

Look, I am a conservative, pro life and your views don't upset me.  You are not a name caller(I am).  Liberals, started it first by typing in silly comments, but hey, I don't care.   I will always be a republican and I know my history.  I have always been a republican since age 14 yrs., I saw what the hippies were doing and it wasn't good.  I was a kid, when I would see vietman soldiers being spit on, watching others kids crying because their father would be coming home.  I saw civilian teenagers making fun of us military kids, for not being hip.  Sorry, I have no respect liberals, my personal opinion is they stick their finger in wind, and whatever is cool for the moment that is what they do, no principals.  Do not worry, you are not nasty to people, just keep posting your opinions.

I'm sorry for what you saw and dealt with from some hippie jerks. I understand a child being tainted by that sort of think but I don't think it's reasonable to hold the actions of a few jerks over every single Liberal. That's like disliking every Christian because of WBC. I'm a Liberal and would never disrespect our military like that. Most of the men in my family have served and I would have if my back weren't a wreck.

I used to be very partisan when I came to CM, thought all Republicans were evil and greedy. Then I met a variety of women of all stripes and learned a lot. I work very hard to refrain from making generalizations about any group because I know how wrong and hurtful they can be. If we really want to have a dialog and learn from each other, generalizations only get in the way. Just my opinion, which is non-reflective = )

 


Thank God......it's Friday!!!

grandmab125
by Platinum Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 2:29 AM

 WHINER!!!!!

Kathy489
by Bronze Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 7:53 AM
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Ok, now I understand that you have been misled somewhere. A lot of the politicians must feel that way, too, and that is what is wrong with D.C. and the reason why so many Americans are angry.

What you say is absolutely NOT what is supposed to happen. Again, we live in a REPUBLIC. Maybe that is what confuses some people. They don't understand what a republic is or how it works.

Assuming a politician is honest, (and that is rare in Washington, but there are honest ones in our home towns) he would be campaigning according to what he believes to be the best course of action. The people listen and vote accordingly to send their elected representatives to D.C. If we agree with what he believes is the best course of action, he goes to D.C. to represent us. If we don't agree with him, we vote for someone else. It is a government FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE.

The problem is that we have too many politicians doing as you described. They campaign on one thing, get our votes, and then go and do their own thing. It is wrong, and that is why so many people are up in arms. That is why the Tea Party was formed. It is a rebellion against what has been happening, and it is the voice of the American people trying to get back to the roots of what they believe in after having been deceived over and over again by the people they thought they could trust.

Does that make sense.  :-)

I am not trying to argue, but I am not sure if you are really confused about the government process, or if you simply don't believe in our system of government BY THE PEOPLE, as obama does not, and you are one of the ones trying to change it. He would like to see us go the way of socialism because that is what he believes in. The American people do not. Cut and dry.


Quoting gludwig2000:

So you believe that an elected official is supposed to vote with his constituents in mind, no matter what, even when he knows things that they may know, and so knows that it would be better for America as a whole, to vote his heart, knowledge and conscience? I believe that when they take the oath to serve, they make a vow to ALL of the people of America, not just the ones who voted for them. I seriously don't understand why this is so hard for everyone. I believe that once they take office, it is their duty to do what is best for America as a whole, not just what is best for some.
Quoting Kathy489:

 I don't understand what this means. The elected officials are, indeed, supposed to represent the people who voted for them. That is the way the system works. This is a republic. We elect people to represent us. And it is not a select few, or else they wouldn't have gotten elected. They won by the majority of the votes in their districts. They are supposed to go to Washington to represent their districts. Please let me know if I am misunderstanding something.

 

Quoting gludwig2000:

I agree with what you have written. It is wrong, imo, to try to shut down the governemnt to get your way. Our elected officials are to work for every American once they are in office, not just the select few who have voted for them. This fighting must stop, but ya know, so many people don't care what effect this has on our country and her people, as long as they get what they want. It is government for the people, not just some of them.

 

 


 

Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:00 AM

 

It is a losing batle because you do not have the facts on your side.

Quoting gludwig2000:

I'll admit, it does seem quite often to be a losing battle.
Quoting Friday:

Please stop. I appreciate your POV and agree with you on many points. I hate the hyper-partisanship but most in this group thrive on it. You cannot reach those people and only give them a pinata to bat around and any response you have at this point will only 'prove'(in their minds) they 'beat' you.

The people bashing you will never think you any less than an Obama worshipping Socialist unless you hate Obama and everything he says or does.... and all other Dem/Libs/Progressives. They consider you and anyone not on 'their side' to be the enemy only to be mocked, vilified and insulted.

You made the effort to reach out and they lit your hand on fire. Let it go.

You are wasting your time.


 

Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:02 AM

 

She is a very nice person, who does not understand how Politcs work in the least.

Quoting Kathy489:

Ok, now I understand that you have been misled somewhere. A lot of the politicians must feel that way, too, and that is what is wrong with D.C. and the reason why so many Americans are angry.

What you say is absolutely NOT what is supposed to happen. Again, we live in a REPUBLIC. Maybe that is what confuses some people. They don't understand what a republic is or how it works.

Assuming a politician is honest, (and that is rare in Washington, but there are honest ones in our home towns) he would be campaigning according to what he believes to be the best course of action. The people listen and vote accordingly to send their elected representatives to D.C. If we agree with what he believes is the best course of action, he goes to D.C. to represent us. If we don't agree with him, we vote for someone else. It is a government FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE.

The problem is that we have too many politicians doing as you described. They campaign on one thing, get our votes, and then go and do their own thing. It is wrong, and that is why so many people are up in arms. That is why the Tea Party was formed. It is a rebellion against what has been happening, and it is the voice of the American people trying to get back to the roots of what they believe in after having been deceived over and over again by the people they thought they could trust.

Does that make sense.  :-)

I am not trying to argue, but I am not sure if you are really confused about the government process, or if you simply don't believe in our system of government BY THE PEOPLE, as obama does not, and you are one of the ones trying to change it. He would like to see us go the way of socialism because that is what he believes in. The American people do not. Cut and dry.

 

Quoting gludwig2000:

So you believe that an elected official is supposed to vote with his constituents in mind, no matter what, even when he knows things that they may know, and so knows that it would be better for America as a whole, to vote his heart, knowledge and conscience? I believe that when they take the oath to serve, they make a vow to ALL of the people of America, not just the ones who voted for them. I seriously don't understand why this is so hard for everyone. I believe that once they take office, it is their duty to do what is best for America as a whole, not just what is best for some.
Quoting Kathy489:

 I don't understand what this means. The elected officials are, indeed, supposed to represent the people who voted for them. That is the way the system works. This is a republic. We elect people to represent us. And it is not a select few, or else they wouldn't have gotten elected. They won by the majority of the votes in their districts. They are supposed to go to Washington to represent their districts. Please let me know if I am misunderstanding something.

 

Quoting gludwig2000:

I agree with what you have written. It is wrong, imo, to try to shut down the governemnt to get your way. Our elected officials are to work for every American once they are in office, not just the select few who have voted for them. This fighting must stop, but ya know, so many people don't care what effect this has on our country and her people, as long as they get what they want. It is government for the people, not just some of them.

 

 

 

 


 

Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:07 AM
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Yeah, but siting up high like that lets you feel superior.

It doesn't help anything - like voting 3rd party.

But it feels good - (I guess)

Quoting Carpy:

Sitting on the fence is pretty damn boring.


 

Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:11 AM
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You are describing a completely different system than we have in the US.

I guess you could start a new country, see if that works, but that is not what we have here.

Quoting gludwig2000:

So you believe that an elected official is supposed to vote with his constituents in mind, no matter what, even when he knows things that they may know, and so knows that it would be better for America as a whole, to vote his heart, knowledge and conscience? I believe that when they take the oath to serve, they make a vow to ALL of the people of America, not just the ones who voted for them. I seriously don't understand why this is so hard for everyone. I believe that once they take office, it is their duty to do what is best for America as a whole, not just what is best for some.
Quoting Kathy489:

 I don't understand what this means. The elected officials are, indeed, supposed to represent the people who voted for them. That is the way the system works. This is a republic. We elect people to represent us. And it is not a select few, or else they wouldn't have gotten elected. They won by the majority of the votes in their districts. They are supposed to go to Washington to represent their districts. Please let me know if I am misunderstanding something.

 

Quoting gludwig2000:

I agree with what you have written. It is wrong, imo, to try to shut down the governemnt to get your way. Our elected officials are to work for every American once they are in office, not just the select few who have voted for them. This fighting must stop, but ya know, so many people don't care what effect this has on our country and her people, as long as they get what they want. It is government for the people, not just some of them.

 

 


 

JustCJ
by on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:48 AM

and you have been billie bombed....

her bark is worse than her bite.

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