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Who’s sabotaging Obamacare?

Posted by on Oct. 12, 2013 at 7:04 PM
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9:20 AM 10/11/2013

W. James Antle III


Obamacare’s roll-out has been such a debacle that even the president’s largest cheering section can’t helpbut take notice.

“Media outlets have struggled to find anyone who’s actually been successful,” CBS News reported. “The Washington Post even illustrated that sought-after person as a unicorn, and USA Today called the launch an “inexcusable mess” and a “nightmare.”

“It wasn’t designed well, it wasn’t implemented well, and it looks like nobody tested it,” a programmer who supports the health care law told the network, adding, “I would be ashamed and embarrassed if my organization delivered something like that.”

The most famous example of someone who actually successfully navigated the website turned out to have never purchased health insurance through it. “I saw so many numbers in one night, I was tired,” he explained.

For Obamacare’s most dogged supporters, there can be only one logical explanation. Cue the Beastie Boys: it’s sabotage.

Liberal groups were taking this line long before the 404 errors started popping up, churning out lists like “Five major ways that Republicans are trying to sabotage Obamacare.”

It’s a variant of one of the most annoying arguments of the last five years: Republicans just want Barack Obama to fail.

Rush Limbaugh wants him to fail. Mitch McConnell wanted him to be a one-term president. Now Republicans are frantically trying to stop Obamacare, because they know its awesomeness will help millions of people, exposing the country to a Democratic president’s benevolence and wisdom.

This is a childish way of looking at political disagreements. There was scarcely a Democratic elected official in the country who wanted to see George W. Bush re-elected. I think we can say with confidence that position was etched in stone pretty much from the moment Bush v. Gore was handed down.

John Kerry even joked about the need for “regime change” in the United States. Kerry was as successful at securing that regime change as he has so far been in Syria, so perhaps this was a harbinger of what he would be like as secretary of state.

Most Democrats didn’t like Bush’s tax cuts and many wanted to repeal them, especially for the upper earners. This was the case even though the Bush tax cuts, unlike Obamacare, were set to expire.

Did they simply want the Bush administration and the Bush tax cuts to fail out of spite? Did they want to keep millions of Americans from retaining more of their hard-earned money? Or did they simply want to prevent what they believed to be bad policies?

I’m sure many of these liberals felt a twinge of discomfort when the economy briefly posted its fastest growth in 20 years after the tax cuts and were to some extent reassured when everything fell apart by 2008. But my guess is most normal people across the political spectrum preferred prosperity to the Great Recession and, whatever their view of George W. Bush, just had different opinions about how to get there.

Republicans are guilty of sabotaging only their own electoral prospects. The Affordable Care Act essentially sabotages itself by asking healthy young workers, already buffeted by the weak economy, to pony up more money in premiums than they would have to pay in fines if they went uninsured.

Many of these young people will have fewer choices and more costs than in the pre-Obamacare individual market. Some will pay more than they otherwise would have even if they end up qualifying for a subsidy. Then there are the workers of all ages who will lose their existing employer-provided coverage, or whose insurers are going to bail on the heavily regulated state exchanges.

Naturally, there will be winners as well as losers of the great Obamacaresweepstakes. Consider Butch Matthews, the celebrated staunch Republican who loves ObamacareAccording to ThinkProgress, he is a 61-year-old who lives off the assets he built up. Thanks to Obamacare subsidies, he now has a much better health plan with no monthly premium.

But if younger workers need to pay premiums that are two or three times higher while people who can afford not to work pay nothing, it is going to create some obvious problems.

“If Obamacare becomes the new home of elderly free-riders with savings and no income who are just waiting to go on Medicare,” writes David Freddoso, “then Republicans don’t need to shut down the government or do anything else to stop Obamacare — the program is completely doomed already.”

Unless millions of Americans act against their economic self-interests, the program’s costs will spike. Absent reform, this will then hurt the old and the sick who need the participation of young people to keep their insurance affordable. The implementation of Healthcare.gov may look like Obamacare’s golden age.

For all their faults, the Republicans didn’t build that.

Which brings us back to the Beastie Boys: “You’re scheming on a thing that’s a mirage/I’m trying to tell you now, it’s sabotage.” But the saboteurs and the architects of Obamacare are the same people.

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Sister_Someone
by on Oct. 12, 2013 at 7:38 PM

That term. How can anyone take it seriously when it's being referred to by a name that implies mockery? It's called Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and it will seem like a joke until we begin taking it seriously.

And every person who seriously expects this to go without bumps and bruises. It's not possible. You can't overhaul a country-wide system without causing some carnage along the way. You also can't begin fixing the carnage until you know what's caused it, and we can't know what's wrong with PPACA, and to what extent, until we see it in action. And even once we do, we still can't begin fixing it unless we have a team on it, which we don't, mainly because the group of people who are supposed to be running our country are busy throwing temper tantrums.

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 7:50 PM
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Your comments that don't address the OP make me suggest you reread it.

Obama  likes the name - Remember, he told us in the first Presidential debate only last year!  Are you going to go against Obama himself??

Besides, why do you call it RomneyCare? Isn't that disrespectful? Good grief - Even Republicans, even Romney call it RomneyCare.

Minor scratches, sure. Head trauma and lost limbs, no. A non-functioning website Dems have been developing for 3-1/2 years that IT people who are Dems say is the worst thing they have ever seen?

Wouldn't you think that Democrats would expect and produce excellence in this program? Not a Mickey Mouse outfit more incompetent than the DMV or the Post Office?

Quoting Sister_Someone:

That term. How can anyone take it seriously when it's being referred to by a name that implies mockery? It's called Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and it will seem like a joke until we begin taking it seriously.

And every person who seriously expects this to go without bumps and bruises. It's not possible. You can't overhaul a country-wide system without causing some carnage along the way. You also can't begin fixing the carnage until you know what's caused it, and we can't know what's wrong with PPACA, and to what extent, until we see it in action. And even once we do, we still can't begin fixing it unless we have a team on it, which we don't, mainly because the group of people who are supposed to be running our country are busy throwing temper tantrums.


DSamuels
by Gold Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 7:56 PM
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And if 3 1/2 years of work ended up with a barely functioning website I don't even want to see what will happen when people try to use said insurance.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Your comments that don't address the OP make me suggest you reread it.

Obama  likes the name - Remember, he told us in the first Presidential debate only last year!  Are you going to go against Obama himself??

Besides, why do you call it RomneyCare? Isn't that disrespectful? Good grief - Even Republicans, even Romney call it RomneyCare.

Minor scratches, sure. Head trauma and lost limbs, no. A non-functioning website Dems have been developing for 3-1/2 years that IT people who are Dems say is the worst thing they have ever seen?

Wouldn't you think that Democrats would expect and produce excellence in this program? Not a Mickey Mouse outfit more incompetent than the DMV or the Post Office?

Quoting Sister_Someone:

That term. How can anyone take it seriously when it's being referred to by a name that implies mockery? It's called Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and it will seem like a joke until we begin taking it seriously.

And every person who seriously expects this to go without bumps and bruises. It's not possible. You can't overhaul a country-wide system without causing some carnage along the way. You also can't begin fixing the carnage until you know what's caused it, and we can't know what's wrong with PPACA, and to what extent, until we see it in action. And even once we do, we still can't begin fixing it unless we have a team on it, which we don't, mainly because the group of people who are supposed to be running our country are busy throwing temper tantrums.


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pvtjokerus
by Gold Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 7:58 PM

I am responding to the title only.....the few that developed Obamacare are the ones to take the blame on its failure.

X_Patriot_Mom_X
by Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM
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How can you not? When facebook first came out it took on world wide individuals. Not just one small nation like America...no problems there...Then twitter did the same thing...no problems there...Gaming companies like the creators of Grand Theif Auto 5 brought in 3.4 billion dollars in sales, they have people from all over the world playing on their Live Game Play they crashed for two days because of an overload of the servers...but they are up and running. The point im making is regardless of if you support this plan or not it was piss poor planning in which they had 3 years to do this. There was no beta test, no stress test, nothing.

which do you believe is the more difficult task... setting-up and administering a web site designed as an online marketplace (think Zappos, Amazon.com), or setting-up and administering a program designed to run the health insurance AND healthcare industries FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE COUNTRY?!?!  

the fact that when it comes to web site development on this scale, there is always a cost-benefit trade-off, and while you don't want to massively over-build, with something this big, and this important, they should have had more effective contingency plans in place to deal with foreseeable issues like this. The government had 3 full years to plan/develop/test and retest the web site, and it's now blatantly obvious that they got it wrong.


With the failed launch of this web site, the government has already demonstrated that it is seriously inadequate to EITHER task, and while the failure of the site-launch is merely a frustration to the American populace, and one they CANNOT BLAME on the great influx of visitors, because for the last five years they've been running around and touting at every opportunity the exact number of Americans who are without health insurance; Thus, they KNEW 5 YEARS AGO exactly how many people would be accessing and using the site.

Quoting Sister_Someone:

That term. How can anyone take it seriously when it's being referred to by a name that implies mockery? It's called Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and it will seem like a joke until we begin taking it seriously.

And every person who seriously expects this to go without bumps and bruises. It's not possible. You can't overhaul a country-wide system without causing some carnage along the way. You also can't begin fixing the carnage until you know what's caused it, and we can't know what's wrong with PPACA, and to what extent, until we see it in action. And even once we do, we still can't begin fixing it unless we have a team on it, which we don't, mainly because the group of people who are supposed to be running our country are busy throwing temper tantrums.



Kathy489
by Bronze Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM
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It's typical of anything the government gets their hands into. Total chaos and going nowhere but downward.

143myboys9496
by Gold Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM
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FIX?? Medicare/medicaid and the VA system, ALL govt run health insurance programs continue to have "bumps and bruises"..they continue to have "carnage", and have YET to be "fixed". And NONE of them are new programs.

So congress in it's 'infinite' wisdom, thought that by creating a 3rd health insurance program, run by govt (specifically the IRS), would be a great idea. Because they've done such a great job with the other 2? WRONG!!! 

We SHOULD be able to shop for our health insurance like we shop for our car insurance. What the health insurance companies need to set them straight is competition. And A LOT of it.

Quoting Sister_Someone:

That term. How can anyone take it seriously when it's being referred to by a name that implies mockery? It's called Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and it will seem like a joke until we begin taking it seriously.

And every person who seriously expects this to go without bumps and bruises. It's not possible. You can't overhaul a country-wide system without causing some carnage along the way. You also can't begin fixing the carnage until you know what's caused it, and we can't know what's wrong with PPACA, and to what extent, until we see it in action. And even once we do, we still can't begin fixing it unless we have a team on it, which we don't, mainly because the group of people who are supposed to be running our country are busy throwing temper tantrums.


Sister_Someone
by on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM


I, personally, disagree with the term Obamacare and think that it being gone would be a good first step in taking this seriously, since the context is often that of mockery. Even back when Obama first used it himself, I said it was a bad move, and that he's basically mocking his own program. I've never used the term RomneyCare either. I like calling things by their names. It's a scientist thing.

The site is bad, that goes without saying, but it also lacks a use tutorial. A lot of people I know in real life have crashed out of the site because they did something wrong, and a lot of people also succeeded. That's about all I can say because I haven't tried myself. I'm covered.

To avoid having to copy-paste, go back and read the reply you quoted. This couldn't possibly have gone without the carnage. Carnage can and will be cleaned up along the way when things get started. For all the good sides of PPACA, I consider it forgivable.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Your comments that don't address the OP make me suggest you reread it.

Obama  likes the name - Remember, he told us in the first Presidential debate only last year!  Are you going to go against Obama himself??

Besides, why do you call it RomneyCare? Isn't that disrespectful? Good grief - Even Republicans, even Romney call it RomneyCare.

Minor scratches, sure. Head trauma and lost limbs, no. A non-functioning website Dems have been developing for 3-1/2 years that IT people who are Dems say is the worst thing they have ever seen?

Wouldn't you think that Democrats would expect and produce excellence in this program? Not a Mickey Mouse outfit more incompetent than the DMV or the Post Office?

Quoting Sister_Someone:

That term. How can anyone take it seriously when it's being referred to by a name that implies mockery? It's called Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and it will seem like a joke until we begin taking it seriously.

And every person who seriously expects this to go without bumps and bruises. It's not possible. You can't overhaul a country-wide system without causing some carnage along the way. You also can't begin fixing the carnage until you know what's caused it, and we can't know what's wrong with PPACA, and to what extent, until we see it in action. And even once we do, we still can't begin fixing it unless we have a team on it, which we don't, mainly because the group of people who are supposed to be running our country are busy throwing temper tantrums.




Sister_Someone
by on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:23 PM


I couldn't care less about Veterans Affairs and don't know anything about it, but Medicare works. How many pregnant women get insured through it each year again? 

Quoting 143myboys9496:

FIX?? Medicare/medicaid and the VA system, ALL govt run health insurance programs continue to have "bumps and bruises"..they continue to have "carnage", and have YET to be "fixed". And NONE of them are new programs.

So congress in it's 'infinite' wisdom, thought that by creating a 3rd health insurance program, run by govt (specifically the IRS), would be a great idea. Because they've done such a great job with the other 2? WRONG!!! 

We SHOULD be able to shop for our health insurance like we shop for our car insurance. What the health insurance companies need to set them straight is competition. And A LOT of it.

Quoting Sister_Someone:

That term. How can anyone take it seriously when it's being referred to by a name that implies mockery? It's called Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and it will seem like a joke until we begin taking it seriously.

And every person who seriously expects this to go without bumps and bruises. It's not possible. You can't overhaul a country-wide system without causing some carnage along the way. You also can't begin fixing the carnage until you know what's caused it, and we can't know what's wrong with PPACA, and to what extent, until we see it in action. And even once we do, we still can't begin fixing it unless we have a team on it, which we don't, mainly because the group of people who are supposed to be running our country are busy throwing temper tantrums.




143myboys9496
by Gold Member on Oct. 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM
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 You show me 1 news article that shows 1 person getting into the website and signing up successfully. Because I can't find one..not 1 single article.

Of course you consider this "carnage" "forgivable" YOU don't have to sign up for Obummercare, YOU'RE already covered. Why would YOU care??

Outrageous..

Quoting Sister_Someone:

 

I, personally, disagree with the term Obamacare and think that it being gone would be a good first step in taking this seriously, since the context is often that of mockery. Even back when Obama first used it himself, I said it was a bad move, and that he's basically mocking his own program. I've never used the term RomneyCare either. I like calling things by their names. It's a scientist thing.

The site is bad, that goes without saying, but it also lacks a use tutorial. A lot of people I know in real life have crashed out of the site because they did something wrong, and a lot of people also succeeded. That's about all I can say because I haven't tried myself. I'm covered.

To avoid having to copy-paste, go back and read the reply you quoted. This couldn't possibly have gone without the carnage. Carnage can and will be cleaned up along the way when things get started. For all the good sides of PPACA, I consider it forgivable.


 

 

 

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