Making sure that the tactic didn't gain them anything MIGHT reduce the chance of it being repeated.
One can only hope.
I hope that this will be the case. Nothing was gained, but much was lost. I hope that congress learns from this mistake. I would hate for this to be set as a precedent/tool used by any minority group trying to thwart laws already passed.
Quoting Clairwil:Making sure that the tactic didn't gain them anything MIGHT reduce the chance of it being repeated.One can only hope.
National Woman's Party
I actaully believe that gains WERE made...and now, maybe the democrats will go to the table and LISTEN when they are told that America does NOT want obamacare!!
You're right. Nothing was accomplished. With that said, it's hard to get much accomplished when the left refused to even give the slightest consideration to any proposal brought by the House. They disregarded our system of negotiating and compromise and basically gave the House the silent treatment. The message they sent was "I don't care how anyone else feels as long as I get my way."
After drafting a Democratic budget last March that sailed through her committee and the full Senate for the first time in nearly four years, Murray has been doing a slow burn. That’s because her counterpart in the House, Republican Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, and other House GOP leaders haverepeatedly rebuked her efforts to draw them to the bargaining table to iron out a compromise plan.
Meanwhile, the Senate-approved budget drafted by Murray is counting on $1 trillion of additional taxes for deficit reduction that Republicans have taken the equivalent of a blood-oath to oppose. Also, their budget does not balance in the standard 10-year window, a big talking point for GOP critics.
“My biggest concern is that we’re being dragged by the Republicans into a nightmare scenario this fall, between our two budget allocations and the Republicans’ insistence that the debt ceiling be tied to this,” Murray told The Fiscal Times on Tuesday. “People in this country want certainty; they want us to be responsible; they want us to come to a solution.”
“I have been asking time and time again to go to conference so that we can give them that certainty,” she added. “The insistence that we don’t go to conference is dragging us into another economic calamity this fall.
“And yeah, it makes me angry,” she added.
Murray, 62, has been nothing if not tenacious since coming to the Senate in 1992.
But now she’s stuck, unable to move toward some version of a “Grand Bargain” because Republicans refuse to play ball. More than a dozen times, Senate Republicans have blocked her from appointing budget negotiators to meet with the House. And House Republicans have blocked a comparable effort by Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, the ranking Democrat on the House Budget Committee, to name budget negotiators.
Many congressional Republicans have no interest in negotiating a final budget deal that might include another tax hike, or raising the debt ceiling without sufficient offsetting spending cuts. For Murray, it’s the political equivalent of anxiously awaiting an invitation to a party that never arrives.
Murray repeatedly harkens back to brutal debt ceiling talks between the Obama administration and congressional Republicans in the summer of 2011 that came close to triggering the first government default on its debt in history. President Obama has vowed never again to negotiate the terms of a new debt ceiling, but that may prove to be bluster as the next absolute deadline for boosting the Treasury’s borrowing authority rolls around in early September.
“There is no reason for elected members of Congress to drag us to that point again,” Murray said in an interview. “We go to conference and work out our agreement. I’m not going to like everything, Paul Ryan is not going to like everything . . . But this is a democracy and that’s how you solve problems.”
“So yes, I’m frustrated,” she said.
The irony, of course, is that for years, Republicans mocked the Democrats on the budget: While the House routinely passed annual budget resolutions, the Democratic-controlled Senate did not. Boehner and other GOP leaders taunted the Democrats for their irresponsibility and disregard for “regular order.” House Republicans were so cocky they passed a bill in January, extending the debt ceiling for several months, but also daring Senate Democrats to agree to forego their pay until they passed a budget of their own.
Murray eagerly took up the challenge, and displayed iron discipline in pushing through a $3.6 trillion budget blueprint – one that was vastly different in priorities and spending levels than the House-passed budget.
Since then, Ryan and Boehner have fended off repeated Democratic calls for the two sides to meet. Boehner, for example, insisted Ryan and Murray meet informally to try to develop a “framework” for a final deal, saying this would be in the true spirit of “regular order” in Congress. The House and Senate budget chiefs met a half-dozen times, but the last meeting was May 21 and there is no sign they will meet again.
Then, last week, Ryan wrote an opinion piece for The Hill, urging House appropriators to move swiftly to pass the 12 annual spending bills for the coming fiscal year based on the stringent allocations dictated by the House Republican budget that was passed in March.
It was an extraordinary insult to Murray. Ryan made no reference to the Senate Democratic budget or the need to work out a compromise.
“The appropriations bills will both put our priorities into law and abide by our budget’s limits,” Ryan wrote along with Rep. Tom Graves (R-GA). Asked whether she was offended and angered by Ryan’s dismissive comments, Murray replied, “Absolutely, absolutely.”
The Republicans’ new game plan is clear: They want to scrap budget talks and focus instead on passing the annual spending bills. Assuming the Senate eventually follows suit, the real bargaining will begin at the appropriations committee level later this summer, as the government inches closer to the Sept. 30 deadline. Without the new spending bills in place or a continuing resolution, the government would begin to shut down.
Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, a senior Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, said yesterday he agrees that would be the proper course at this late date. “We would be far better off working towards that goal as opposed to trying to do something [on the budget] that’s not going to happen,” he told The Fiscal Times.
But other senior Republicans, including Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Tom Coburnof Oklahoma, believe their party must keep its pledge to negotiate out differences in the two budgets.
Coburn told The Fiscal Times that if the Republicans refuse to negotiate after complaining for years about the process, “You lose your moral credibility.”
- See more at: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/06/19/Murray-in-Slow-Burn-over-GOP-Refusal-to-Negotiate#sthash.QoqWKoiv.dpuf
Quoting garnet83: You're right. Nothing was accomplished. With that said, it's hard to get much accomplished when the left refused to even give the slightest consideration to any proposal brought by the House. They disregarded our system of negotiating and compromise and basically gave the House the silent treatment. The message they sent was "I don't care how anyone else feels as long as I get my way."
*Senator Murray represents me in my home district. I have a lot of respect for her.*
I wouldn't say nothing was gained. Something always comes out of every situation, even if it's just knowledge. To paraphrase a Republican, and a former Bush White House aide, we learned just how far the Tea Party is willing to go to make their point. They are absolutely willing to tank the country.
The Republican party is imploding. I think next time they all won't play nice and placate the Tea Party minority. I think when all this comes back around in January, like the un-exponged zit of a situation it is, there won't be straight party ticket voting, I think that more Republicans will be willing to stand out and vote on their own.
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