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11-Year-Old Brings Gun & 400 Rounds of Ammo to School -- When Will Our Laws Change? (VIDEO)

by Lisa Fogarty

It's a really bad week to work in a school, and it's an even worse week to be a middle school student or the parents of one. Another child was caught with a gun this week. This time he was 11 and brought it to his Washington middle school -- along with 400 rounds of ammunition and several knives. The boy, whose name is not being released, is being held in a juvenile detention center on an attempted murder charge after police responded to calls yesterday morning from the school reporting that a shooter was in the building. Both Pioneer Middle School and the nearby elementary school were on lockdown for two hours. And that brings the total number of gun-related or incredibly violent incidents involving young teens and kids at school to four -- in four days

According to police, the boy has said that he brought the knives and loaded gun to school in order to protect a friend who was being bullied. It was also reported that the child said he heard voices in his head telling him to kill the bully, but that his plan was to shoot the other student in the arm and then put a bullet in his own head. Holy cow. I can't even imagine what it feels like to hear that your son made this statement. 

School officials became aware of the weapons the boy was carrying after his mother reportedly called them early in the morning to say that she feared her son may have brought kitchen knives with him to school. Thank the lord she was on the ball enough to notice before her child killed someone's else son.

But just where he obtained the gun and ammo is still a mystery. 

This horrifying report comes on the heels of other deplorable acts of violence this week, including the Sparks Middle School shooting, in which a teen fatally shot his teacher and himself and wounded two students, the brutal murder of a Massachusetts middle school math teacher by one of her students, and the fatal shooting of a 13-year-old in California after cops suspected the realistic-looking pellet gun he was carrying was a real weapon. 

At this point I'm not sure what we should be most frightened about: the fact that young people are filled with so much rage and aren't thinking twice about killing others? Or the insane access to guns that they seem to have? An argument can be made that a violent and disturbed child -- as in the Massachusetts case -- doesn't need a gun to kill. I agree. 

But having a gun certainly makes it easier to kill a whole lot of people at once, doesn't it? We aren't going to be able to tackle every child's anger issues tomorrow, and -- frustratingly -- we can't ensure that every parent who legally owns a gun is responsible and locks it up. But we can and should be enforcing stricter gun laws. And we aren't -- and it's just shameful. It's embarrassing and infuriating that gun control didn't become a priority after the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School and it becomes even more of a disgrace with every act of gun violence we continue to witness at schools. The time to do something has long passed. 

How do you feel about stricter gun control regulations?


by on Oct. 25, 2013 at 8:56 AM
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DSamuels
by Gold Member on Oct. 26, 2013 at 1:34 PM
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Well, with all medical records in a database for easy access now and the ACA is it a stretch that might happen sonnet rather than never? And if the ACA fails and we go to single payer gov't provided insurance I'd say it's inevitable. 

How better to control all aspects of our lives through the gov't healthcare? Their eating habits, their weapons (guns pose a danger to those living there, your medical records show you're, or someone in the household, too dangerous to own a weapon), their medications, medical treatment, this list goes on and on.

Quoting kcangel63:

Would you be willing to have your medical files made public, or even a cessable to LE for any reason they see fit?

Quoting IhartU:


Quoting Analeigh2012:

Background checks will not detect if someone was seen for mental health issues - that violates medical privacy laws.



Quoting IhartU:

 Background checks work to an extent but they don't flag anyone who is going to commit a crime in the future- so maybe yearly background checks for all gun owners in order to see if anyone of them has been seen for mental problems or anything like that.  Selling at gun shows should be outlawed and gun owners should have to have 'gun insurance' and be held liable and accountable if a crime is committed with their guns. Country- wide laws should be in effect- not State by State.

 I'm really sick of those who say 'the criminals will have still have guns' so fucking what? More gun violence is commited by actual law-abiding citizens than it is with criminals. Stricter gun laws are not just about getting guns out the hands of criminals, it's about keeping innocents safe from gun violence as well.

 Well it shouldn't. I believe that is important to public safety.


Farmlady09
by Silver Member on Oct. 26, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Neither amendment precludes making sure that people have a basic understanding of our government, how it works, what it isn't allowed to do, etc. as a condition for voting.

As for the right to bear arms ~ which is slightly different than bare arms ~ I think it is you that lacks an understanding. Each and every male citizen between the ages of 17 and 45 can be called up for service in any state militia. Female members of the National Guard and armed forces are also on call (there is a fairly short list of individuals who are exempt). They don't have to like it, but they absolutely can be called. If they show up only with bare arms, they aren't going to be very effective or useful except as cannon fodder.  


Quoting Pema_Jampa:

The Fifteenth Amendment to the Constitution prohibits each government in the United States from denying a citizen the right to vote based on that citizen's "race, color, or previous condition of servitude [slavery],"while the Twenty-fourth Amendment prohibits both Congress and the states from conditioning the right to vote in federal elections on payment of a poll tax or other types of tax. Similarly, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 prohibits states from imposing any "voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color."

 

I also believe you might be misunderstanding the right to bare arms is that you have the right to do so. Not that a person must. 

Quoting Farmlady09:

That right to vote comes with responsibilities! One of those responsibilities is understanding the Constitution and knowing what it means! Those who don't are not capable of carrying out the responsibility of voting responsibly ~ and every elected official who is in favor of gun control speaks flat out treason ... and you can bet your last dollar that there is no interest in your 'safety' or anything else except control. It is NOT a politicians job to control us. It is their job to work for us, and to carry out the will of the people ~ and to do so within the confines of the Constitution.

ANYone who is in favor of ANY sort of gun control does not understand the Constitution and is NOT capable of fulfilling their obligation to defend it ~ and that obligation falls on each and EVERY American it protects ... NOT just the military.

If you want to protect it using words, a pitchfork, or a rock ... that's fine. It's incredibly ineffective and useless, but it's fine. What is NOT fine is even thinking that it's ok to take away the ability of any other American to do so.

Right now, whether you realize it, or care, the US military and every police officer, every armed regulatory agent, etc. are actually unconstitutional due to their funding AND being better armed than the general population. That well regulated militia is of far more importance within the Constitution than even the military. Just because a lot of people don't know that doesn't change that fact. 

 

Quoting Pema_Jampa:

Yes that thing that IS the law also includes the right to vote. 

Quoting Farmlady09:

Sorry ~ but wrong. They should not be allowed to vote because they don't know, understand, or care about the Constitution ... which btw IS the ultimate law in this country.

Allowing people like that to vote is no different than letting a plumber fix your car. 

 

Quoting Pema_Jampa:

Oh okay they shouldn't be allowed to vote because they don't agree with you. Got it!

Quoting Farmlady09:

I love graphs and charts and studies that prove just how stupid and uneducated people are ~ which is what all this does. People don't know their rights, they don't understand either our government OR the reasoning behind the words in the Constitution, and most of those on this list are too apathetic to bother learning.

That doesn't make them 'enlightened', more caring, or smarter ~ it makes them unfit to vote, and undeserving of the rights and freedoms granted in the Constitution.

 

Quoting Pema_Jampa:

In Gun Control Debate, Several Options Draw Majority Support

Gun Rights Proponents More Politically Active

OVERVIEW

While the issue of gun control remains divisive, there are clear areas of agreement when it comes to a number of gun policy proposals. Fully 85% of Americans favor making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks, with comparable support from Republicans, Democrats and independents. Similarly, 80% support laws to prevent mentally ill people from purchasing guns, with broad support across party lines.

But this bipartisan consensus breaks down when it comes to other proposals. Two-thirds of Americans (67%) favor creating a federal database to track gun sales, but there is a wide partisan divide between Democrats (84%) and Republicans (49%). A smaller majority of the public (55%) favors a ban on assault-style weapons; Democrats (69%) also are far more likely than Republicans (44%) to support this. Similar partisan divides exist when it comes to banning high-capacity ammunition clips or the sale of ammunition online.

The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Jan. 9-13 among 1,502 adults also tested two specific school-safety proposals, with widely different results. By a two-to-one margin (64%-32%), most favor putting armed security guards and police in more schools. But when it comes to more teachers and school officials having guns, most are opposed (40% favor vs. 57% oppose). The latter option is particularly divisive across party lines: 56% of Republicans would like to see more teachers and school officials armed, compared with just 23% of Democrats.

The Activism Gap

The survey finds that 51% of Americans say it is more important to control gun ownership, while 45% say it is more important to protect gun rights. This balance of opinion is virtually unchanged from mid-December when, in the immediate wake of the Newtown, CT shooting, public opinion shifted modestly in the direction of gun control. These are the only surveys since Obama became president in which significantly more have prioritized gun control than gun rights.

There is a wide gap between those who prioritize gun rights and gun control when it comes to political involvement. Nearly a quarter (23%) of those who say gun rights should be the priority have contributed money to an organization that takes a position on gun policy, compared with just 5% of those who prioritize gun control. People who favor gun rights are also about twice as likely as gun control supporters to have contacted a public official about gun policy (15% vs. 8%).

By contrast, comparable percentages of gun rights supporters (19%) and those who prioritize gun control (15%) say they have expressed their opinion about gun policy on social networks. And about one-in-ten in each group says they have signed a petition on gun policy (12% of gun rights supporters, 10% of gun control supporters).

Partisan Differences over Gun Policy

Among nine policy options included in the survey, the largest partisan gap is over creating a federal database to track gun sales. Fully 84% of Democrats favor the creation of a federal gun sale database, compared with 68% of independents and 49% of Republicans.

The differences are nearly as great over more teachers and school officials having guns in schools: 56% of Republicans, 42% of independents and just 23% of Democrats favor arming more teachers and school officials.

There also are substantial partisan gaps over banning assault-style and semi-automatic weapons (25 points and 19 points respectively), and banning the online sale of ammunition and high capacity ammunition clips (20 points, 18 points).

However, two proposals draw overwhelming support from Republicans, Democrats and independents — making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks, and laws to prevent people with mental illness from purchasing guns.

Majorities in each political group also favor putting armed security guards or police in more schools, though this proposal garners more support from Republicans (73% favor) than from Democrats (62%) or independents (59%).

There are intra-party differences, as well as differences between parties, over several of these proposals. This is reflected in opinions about proposals to ban semi-automatic or assault-style weapons.

Opinions about both proposals are similar across party lines: 49% of Republicans favor a ban on semi-automatic weapons, while 44% favor banning assault-style. Among Democrats, 68% favor banning semi-automatic weapons and 69% support banning assault-style weapons.

Combining results from the two questions, 62% of moderate and liberal Republicans favor banning semi-automatic or assault-style weapons compared with 40% of conservative Republicans. While 78% of liberal Democrats (78%) favor banning semi-automatic or assault weapons, a smaller majority of conservative and moderate Democrats (65%) do so.

Gender, Education Differences over Gun Proposals

Men are divided over whether it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns or to control gun ownership (51% vs. 44%). Women, by contrast, prioritize controlling gun ownership: 57% view this as more important compared with 38% who prioritize gun rights.

There also are sizable gender differences over some specific gun policy proposals: Fully two-thirds of women (67%) favor a ban on semi-automatic weapons, while men are divided – 48% favor such a ban while 50% are opposed.

Majorities of women and men favor creating a federal database to track gun sales, but this proposal draws more support from women (73%) than men (61%). By contrast, men are more likely than women to favor more teachers and school officials having guns at school (47% vs. 32%).

Large majorities of men and women favor background checks for private gun sales and gun shows and laws to prevent mentally ill people from buying guns. There also is broad, though less overwhelming, support among both men and women for putting armed security guards or police in schools.

There also are educational differences over gun policy proposals. A proposal to put armed security guards or police in more schools attracts widespread support among those with no more than a high school education (75% favor) and those with only some college experience (68% favor). Fewer than half of college graduates (44%) support this proposal.

College graduates are much more supportive than those with less education of banning high-capacity ammunition clips and assault-style weapons.

Gun Owners and Gun Policy

A third (33%) of Americans say there are guns, rifles or pistols in their home, which is little changed from recent surveys. More than twice as many gun owners (65%) as those who do not own guns (30%) say it is more important to protect gun rights than to control gun ownership.

However, majorities of gun owners favor a number of the gun policy proposals tested in this survey: Fully 90% favor laws to prevent mentally ill people from buying guns and 85% favor making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks. By 60% to 37%, gun owners also favor the creation of a federal government database to track all gun sales.

The Political Landscape

As has been the case over the past decade, neither party has a clear political advantage when it comes to the gun control issue: 38% feel the Republican Party does a better job of reflecting their views, while 40% say the Democratic Party. Not surprisingly, gun owners and those who prioritize gun rights see the GOP as more in line with their thinking, while non-gun owners and those who favor gun control say the Democratic Party shares their views.

Vice President Joe Biden, who is leading the White House effort to formulate new proposals to reduce gun violence, gets mixed ratings from the public: 42% have a favorable impression of him, 42% unfavorable. This is virtually unchanged since late October on the eve of the election (44% favorable, 42% unfavorable).

Views of Biden are deeply divided along partisan lines – 77% of Republicans have an unfavorable opinion of him, while 75% of Democrats have a favorable opinion. Biden is viewed unfavorably by 63% of people who say the priority should be protecting the rights of gun owners, and favorably by 60% of those who prioritize controlling gun ownership.

 

 


 

 


 

 



 

susan115
by on Oct. 26, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I do NOT own a gun, but I do NOT WANT stricker gun controls.  This conversation is inapproiate unless you talk about anger issues, how to deal with them, teaching ALL adults and kids how to respect others, also, teaching "you" are NOT the center of the universe, how to walk away, and how to keep guns safely locked up.  But, first, do the responsible thing, not a bandage.

idunno1234
by Bronze Member on Oct. 26, 2013 at 5:50 PM

 Do you consider it a punishment to have to pass a written and driving test, to prove you can actually see, to get a driver's license?  Its just common sense....who would want to be on the road with a bunch of people who may or may not be able to drive?? Why is it any different for guns?   I'm not saying we can prevent all accidental shootings and those with murderous intent but it seems like we may be able to make a big dent in it if we enforce common sense laws.   If one is a law abiding citizen and wants a gun for all the right reasons, then what is the beef with making sure one is capable of seeing, knows how to use it and understands all safety measures that need to be put in place as well as making sure one does not have a criminal history, as well as a history of addiction or mental health?

What's wrong with closing internet and trade show loopholes?

And regarding the criminals who won't pay attention to gun control laws:  what about simply making a mandatory prison sentence for being caught with a gun without a license?  Make the possibility of being caught without a licensed gun a very scary thing.

I understand that our country glorifies gun ownership pretty much like no other and nothing I can say or do will change it but there's no excuse for the amount of gun violence and accidental shootings that we put up with in this country.


Quoting PrimmednPunked:

Criminals won't pay attention to gun control laws. And I have to ask why and where that eleven year old found the gun and ammo?
So no I am not in favor of gun control laws. That is only punishing responsible gun owners like me.


 

Redwall
by Bronze Member on Oct. 26, 2013 at 7:03 PM

I LOVE this!  Well said.


Quoting Billiejeens:

Gun Control?

With the corrupt administration buying up all the ammunition I believe accurate marksmanship is more important than ever.


 

Redwall
by Bronze Member on Oct. 26, 2013 at 7:06 PM
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I don't think it's a case for more gun control, but a case for parents being more responsible.  I grew up with guns and my dad kept the gun case locked and under his bed....I never knew where the key was.  My husband and I have always had a gun and when the boys were little it was in a safe, with the key in another safe.  Now that they have guns as well, they too keep them in safes.  What parent allows a child to bring a gun and ammo to school?  Where were they?  I never want more gun control....ever...I would however like people to be responsible with the guns they have.

143myboys9496
by Gold Member on Oct. 26, 2013 at 7:08 PM
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You do realize that this is America and we have different issues and problems than Australia.

Quoting faire_jour:

You do realize that Australia got rid of their guns and it ABSOLUTELY WORKED.


Quoting 143myboys9496:

So you're wiling to give up your right to own a gun? You DO realize that criminals will STILL have guns, and it won't stop illegal gun sales/trafficking? And there's always the old adage: "where there's a will there's a way". 

Quoting slashteddy:

I'm totally in favor.





143myboys9496
by Gold Member on Oct. 26, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Just from the first graphic...a couple of things:

1. "preventing people with mental illness from purchasing guns". 

This is a HIPPAA violation. 

2. "Federal database to track gun sales". As you MAY recall, the govt already tried this and failed miserably. It was called "Fast and Furious", and a border protection agent was killed with a gun sold by the US govt to Mexican drug cartels. 

Quoting Pema_Jampa:

In Gun Control Debate, Several Options Draw Majority Support

Gun Rights Proponents More Politically Active

OVERVIEW

While the issue of gun control remains divisive, there are clear areas of agreement when it comes to a number of gun policy proposals. Fully 85% of Americans favor making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks, with comparable support from Republicans, Democrats and independents. Similarly, 80% support laws to prevent mentally ill people from purchasing guns, with broad support across party lines.

But this bipartisan consensus breaks down when it comes to other proposals. Two-thirds of Americans (67%) favor creating a federal database to track gun sales, but there is a wide partisan divide between Democrats (84%) and Republicans (49%). A smaller majority of the public (55%) favors a ban on assault-style weapons; Democrats (69%) also are far more likely than Republicans (44%) to support this. Similar partisan divides exist when it comes to banning high-capacity ammunition clips or the sale of ammunition online.

The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Jan. 9-13 among 1,502 adults also tested two specific school-safety proposals, with widely different results. By a two-to-one margin (64%-32%), most favor putting armed security guards and police in more schools. But when it comes to more teachers and school officials having guns, most are opposed (40% favor vs. 57% oppose). The latter option is particularly divisive across party lines: 56% of Republicans would like to see more teachers and school officials armed, compared with just 23% of Democrats.

The Activism Gap

The survey finds that 51% of Americans say it is more important to control gun ownership, while 45% say it is more important to protect gun rights. This balance of opinion is virtually unchanged from mid-December when, in the immediate wake of the Newtown, CT shooting, public opinion shifted modestly in the direction of gun control. These are the only surveys since Obama became president in which significantly more have prioritized gun control than gun rights.

There is a wide gap between those who prioritize gun rights and gun control when it comes to political involvement. Nearly a quarter (23%) of those who say gun rights should be the priority have contributed money to an organization that takes a position on gun policy, compared with just 5% of those who prioritize gun control. People who favor gun rights are also about twice as likely as gun control supporters to have contacted a public official about gun policy (15% vs. 8%).

By contrast, comparable percentages of gun rights supporters (19%) and those who prioritize gun control (15%) say they have expressed their opinion about gun policy on social networks. And about one-in-ten in each group says they have signed a petition on gun policy (12% of gun rights supporters, 10% of gun control supporters).

Partisan Differences over Gun Policy

Among nine policy options included in the survey, the largest partisan gap is over creating a federal database to track gun sales. Fully 84% of Democrats favor the creation of a federal gun sale database, compared with 68% of independents and 49% of Republicans.

The differences are nearly as great over more teachers and school officials having guns in schools: 56% of Republicans, 42% of independents and just 23% of Democrats favor arming more teachers and school officials.

There also are substantial partisan gaps over banning assault-style and semi-automatic weapons (25 points and 19 points respectively), and banning the online sale of ammunition and high capacity ammunition clips (20 points, 18 points).

However, two proposals draw overwhelming support from Republicans, Democrats and independents — making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks, and laws to prevent people with mental illness from purchasing guns.

Majorities in each political group also favor putting armed security guards or police in more schools, though this proposal garners more support from Republicans (73% favor) than from Democrats (62%) or independents (59%).

There are intra-party differences, as well as differences between parties, over several of these proposals. This is reflected in opinions about proposals to ban semi-automatic or assault-style weapons.

Opinions about both proposals are similar across party lines: 49% of Republicans favor a ban on semi-automatic weapons, while 44% favor banning assault-style. Among Democrats, 68% favor banning semi-automatic weapons and 69% support banning assault-style weapons.

Combining results from the two questions, 62% of moderate and liberal Republicans favor banning semi-automatic or assault-style weapons compared with 40% of conservative Republicans. While 78% of liberal Democrats (78%) favor banning semi-automatic or assault weapons, a smaller majority of conservative and moderate Democrats (65%) do so.

Gender, Education Differences over Gun Proposals

Men are divided over whether it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns or to control gun ownership (51% vs. 44%). Women, by contrast, prioritize controlling gun ownership: 57% view this as more important compared with 38% who prioritize gun rights.

There also are sizable gender differences over some specific gun policy proposals: Fully two-thirds of women (67%) favor a ban on semi-automatic weapons, while men are divided – 48% favor such a ban while 50% are opposed.

Majorities of women and men favor creating a federal database to track gun sales, but this proposal draws more support from women (73%) than men (61%). By contrast, men are more likely than women to favor more teachers and school officials having guns at school (47% vs. 32%).

Large majorities of men and women favor background checks for private gun sales and gun shows and laws to prevent mentally ill people from buying guns. There also is broad, though less overwhelming, support among both men and women for putting armed security guards or police in schools.

There also are educational differences over gun policy proposals. A proposal to put armed security guards or police in more schools attracts widespread support among those with no more than a high school education (75% favor) and those with only some college experience (68% favor). Fewer than half of college graduates (44%) support this proposal.

College graduates are much more supportive than those with less education of banning high-capacity ammunition clips and assault-style weapons.

Gun Owners and Gun Policy

A third (33%) of Americans say there are guns, rifles or pistols in their home, which is little changed from recent surveys. More than twice as many gun owners (65%) as those who do not own guns (30%) say it is more important to protect gun rights than to control gun ownership.

However, majorities of gun owners favor a number of the gun policy proposals tested in this survey: Fully 90% favor laws to prevent mentally ill people from buying guns and 85% favor making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks. By 60% to 37%, gun owners also favor the creation of a federal government database to track all gun sales.

The Political Landscape

As has been the case over the past decade, neither party has a clear political advantage when it comes to the gun control issue: 38% feel the Republican Party does a better job of reflecting their views, while 40% say the Democratic Party. Not surprisingly, gun owners and those who prioritize gun rights see the GOP as more in line with their thinking, while non-gun owners and those who favor gun control say the Democratic Party shares their views.

Vice President Joe Biden, who is leading the White House effort to formulate new proposals to reduce gun violence, gets mixed ratings from the public: 42% have a favorable impression of him, 42% unfavorable. This is virtually unchanged since late October on the eve of the election (44% favorable, 42% unfavorable).

Views of Biden are deeply divided along partisan lines – 77% of Republicans have an unfavorable opinion of him, while 75% of Democrats have a favorable opinion. Biden is viewed unfavorably by 63% of people who say the priority should be protecting the rights of gun owners, and favorably by 60% of those who prioritize controlling gun ownership.


PrimmednPunked
by Silver Member on Oct. 26, 2013 at 7:23 PM
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Common sense isn't so common.

And honestly our founding fathers wrote that we have the right to bear arms in the constitution for a reason.  Call me crazy but I dont want the government deciding who can own a gun legally or who can't.  Besides that the gun violence in this country is not caused by law abiding citizens so placing more stringent gun laws won't do anything to curb criminal activity.

Quoting idunno1234:

 Do you consider it a punishment to have to pass a written and driving test, to prove you can actually see, to get a driver's license?  Its just common sense....who would want to be on the road with a bunch of people who may or may not be able to drive?? Why is it any different for guns?   I'm not saying we can prevent all accidental shootings and those with murderous intent but it seems like we may be able to make a big dent in it if we enforce common sense laws.   If one is a law abiding citizen and wants a gun for all the right reasons, then what is the beef with making sure one is capable of seeing, knows how to use it and understands all safety measures that need to be put in place as well as making sure one does not have a criminal history, as well as a history of addiction or mental health?

What's wrong with closing internet and trade show loopholes?

And regarding the criminals who won't pay attention to gun control laws:  what about simply making a mandatory prison sentence for being caught with a gun without a license?  Make the possibility of being caught without a licensed gun a very scary thing.

I understand that our country glorifies gun ownership pretty much like no other and nothing I can say or do will change it but there's no excuse for the amount of gun violence and accidental shootings that we put up with in this country.


Quoting PrimmednPunked:

Criminals won't pay attention to gun control laws. And I have to ask why and where that eleven year old found the gun and ammo?
So no I am not in favor of gun control laws. That is only punishing responsible gun owners like me.




Ednarooni160
by Eds on Oct. 26, 2013 at 9:11 PM
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Quoting DSamuels:

Well, with all medical records in a database for easy access now and the ACA is it a stretch that might happen sonnet rather than never? And if the ACA fails and we go to single payer gov't provided insurance I'd say it's inevitable. 

How better to control all aspects of our lives through the gov't healthcare? Their eating habits, their weapons (guns pose a danger to those living there, your medical records show you're, or someone in the household, too dangerous to own a weapon), their medications, medical treatment, this list goes on and on.

Quoting kcangel63:

Would you be willing to have your medical files made public, or even a cessable to LE for any reason they see fit?

Quoting IhartU:


Quoting Analeigh2012:

Background checks will not detect if someone was seen for mental health issues - that violates medical privacy laws.



Quoting IhartU:

 Background checks work to an extent but they don't flag anyone who is going to commit a crime in the future- so maybe yearly background checks for all gun owners in order to see if anyone of them has been seen for mental problems or anything like that.  Selling at gun shows should be outlawed and gun owners should have to have 'gun insurance' and be held liable and accountable if a crime is committed with their guns. Country- wide laws should be in effect- not State by State.

 I'm really sick of those who say 'the criminals will have still have guns' so fucking what? More gun violence is commited by actual law-abiding citizens than it is with criminals. Stricter gun laws are not just about getting guns out the hands of criminals, it's about keeping innocents safe from gun violence as well.

 Well it shouldn't. I believe that is important to public safety.


Exactly, and I'm guessing a LOT of vets are going to fit the bill of "having" stress and/or mental  issues because of the wars or combat training..so  they shouldn't have guns.. The woman  or man who was angry at her/his spouse  5  10 or 20  years ago..or boss..or  kids.."shouldln't be able to own a gun".. There's SO many ways for this gov to spin it.


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